CM 03/04 Demo available

Passacaglia · 11-05-2003, 12:11 PM

Seems like most of the people on the SI Games forum are liking it:

http://community.sigames.com/6/ubb.x...937&m=43610058

RPI-Fan · 11-05-2003, 12:11 PM

Wow, that caught me totally offguard.

Thanks!

McSweeny · 11-05-2003, 12:16 PM

hot damn! can't wait for this to be released

RPI-Fan · 11-05-2003, 12:22 PM

Here's the official feature list as of Sept. 25 from the CM Forums:

Quote:

Whats New!

Four new leagues over and beyond the original CM4 release (as added in CM4 enhancement packs)
Updated player, team and competition data for the 03/04 season
Pre-game database editor
View previoulsy saved matches

Improvements on Championship Manager 4

Player to player relationships (i.e. indication of players and their relationships to other players)
Improved media module, the game now gives you more feedback than ever before
Improved match engine (areas such as offside greatly enhanced as well as the inclusion of visual status indicators)
Goal of the month (and season) awards
Pitches now show the effects of weather and this can affect your teams performances
Past meetings information screen
Live Cup draws
More intuitive training system
Effects of training now visually indicated on player profile screen
In-game printing
B & U21 International Caps
Improved scout reports (both player and team)
Improved injury news as well as an updated rehabilitation system
Create nicknames for players and managers
New Alternative Skin
Cup Tree View
Coaches now give their own player rankings

People have been saying good things about the improved match engine, which is good. Pretty much everything on that list is great.

In-game printing... QS, are you listening?

Cup Tree View should be neat, and Live Cup Draw was always fun.

It'll be great to have the "Past Meetings" back - that feature was always really cool.

SirFozzie · 11-05-2003, 12:29 PM

All Cool new features - MLS and its players= No Sale to me, at least for the start

Icy · 11-05-2003, 12:30 PM

Really surprissing, i thought it would be out a week before the game. Downloading now

Joe Canadian · 11-05-2003, 12:33 PM

Excellent!!! Going to download it now...

Neuqua · 11-05-2003, 12:33 PM

Excellent, something to do while I wait on FOF...

McSweeny · 11-05-2003, 12:34 PM

man... reading the reactions thread over at SIgames really has me drooling. Feels alot different than the reactions to CM4. Need to scrounge up some cash now

Bee · 11-05-2003, 12:41 PM

I refuse to go to the SIGames forums because I don't understand the insults. Looking forward to impressions posted here about the demo since I won't be able to download it until Thursday night.

Francis_Cole · 11-05-2003, 12:50 PM

In-game printing/

HTML and text format as well

SirFozzie · 11-05-2003, 12:55 PM

F'in Eidos... If this game is as good as the reviews it's getting... I might have to reconsider my stance :?

Glengoyne · 11-05-2003, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SirFozzie
F'in Eidos... If this game is as good as the reviews it's getting... I might have to reconsider my stance :?

I would say the quality of this game has less to do with Eidos, than SI. Of course if your stance was that you'd never buy another game by F'in Eidos, then I see your point. If I were you I'd start rationalizing now.

Francis_Cole · 11-05-2003, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SirFozzie
F'in Eidos... If this game is as good as the reviews it's getting... I might have to reconsider my stance :?

There's no harm in trying the demo...

mckerney · 11-05-2003, 01:05 PM

Excellent work not titling the topic just 'Demo Available', giving many reason for kicking your ass.

Daimyo · 11-05-2003, 01:09 PM

Will CM03/04 be available for download purchase or have to go through snail mail again?

SirFozzie · 11-05-2003, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Francis_Cole
There's no harm in trying the demo...

You might as well say "The First Hit's Free"

And yes.. it's because of F'n Eidos that I was going to wait for "Sports Interactive Football 2004-05" or whatever the heck they were going to call it.

But rationalization is a GOOD thing... I guess.

Francis_Cole · 11-05-2003, 01:17 PM

Will CM03/04 be available for download purchase or have to go through snail mail again

At the moment its only "snail mail"

cartman · 11-05-2003, 01:23 PM

So, I'm still a little confused from the SI/Eidos split. Is this demo the last one based on the SI code, or is this the first version of the new Eidos code?

SirFozzie · 11-05-2003, 01:25 PM

This is the final Champ Manager based on SI code.

SI takes their code and gets a new title next year, while Eidos takes the Championship Manager name and does a new game with it...

(and likely flushes the good name of CM down the commode, does Eidos)

IIRC, Francis_Cole is one of the bigwigs at SI, but of course, I've been known to be wrong before

Bee · 11-05-2003, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cartman
So, I'm still a little confused from the SI/Eidos split. Is this demo the last one based on the SI code, or is this the first version of the new Eidos code?

The last joint effort. Next year Eidos will be striking out on their own (and most likely fall on their face).

Edit: That's weird....SirFozzie and I both answered and slammed Eidos in the response! Sweet!

Francis_Cole · 11-05-2003, 01:28 PM

IIRC, Francis_Cole is one of the bigwigs at SI,

I'm 5"4.. does that count as big ?

cartman · 11-05-2003, 01:33 PM

Cool, thanks. I've been back playing CM4 a lot more, so I'll look forward to trying this demo.

If GameSpot doesn't carry this for the folks back in the US, I will be back for Christmas, so if the game is released before then, I can bring copies back for folks who can't order from the UK for whatever reason.

Bee · 11-05-2003, 01:35 PM

I wonder when gogamer will have it available for pre-order...

SirFozzie · 11-05-2003, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Francis_Cole
IIRC, Francis_Cole is one of the bigwigs at SI,

I'm 5"4.. does that count as big ?

Note I didn't say big in size.. I just meant big in wig. Like, say, Don King size? :0

FrogMan · 11-05-2003, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Francis_Cole
Will CM03/04 be available for download purchase or have to go through snail mail again

At the moment its only "snail mail"

Could this "at the moment" be interpreted as "in the future, a downloadable version may be available"??

FM

Icy · 11-05-2003, 01:56 PM

Here are my first impressions after an hour playing it:

Press interation: Much better, it was almost none before.

Training: Really improved, i love it now, deep but easy as there is a graph that shows you the overal effect of that traning (for mental, physic, attack, defense, mid, keeper and total). If you set a whole week with sprints, 5 + 5, etc etc, you see a graph with the skills that will develop for that kind of traning. If you change for example gym for tactics you will see in the graph how fisics goes down while mental goes up. That makes it much easier to underestand for the average guy.
This is great also: Effects of training now visually indicated on player profile screen

2D: Well, seems improved a bit, but still too many long passes and almost not midfield, could be ok for an UK football fan, but too bored for a spanish one, you won't see good midfielders passing each other 5 times until they find a hole on the defense.

There are also lots of improvements on the interface that make it easier to manage, like the back button missed from the old CM3.

I like it a lot of more now, much more polished, i only would like a better 2D AI, but i supossed that was not fixed as they never answered about it at their forum. The text sim reports seems improved so we can play it like the old series anyway.

This is just my first review, my mind could change with the hours playing it, overal i like it much more than CM4, lets see if it is not bugged, that will take more time to see.

Bee · 11-05-2003, 02:00 PM

Thanks for the quick impressions Icy. Sounds great.

Passacaglia · 11-05-2003, 02:45 PM

gogamer will be listing the game 'sometime this week' according to the SI forums.

And thanks for the impressions, Icy! I still don't know much about soccer yet, so to me it pretty much looks the same as the CM4 demo!

Bee · 11-05-2003, 02:50 PM

Thanks for the gogamer info Passacaglia!

Scholes · 11-05-2003, 03:20 PM

First thoughts:

Some of the real cool stuff:

A quick button you click to show the effect training has had on a player in his attribute screen.

Transfers are a little more abundant, including realistic loan/option to purchase deals.

Tactics- Some new default tactics (I noticed a 4-2-3-1 Man Utd style in there) and a preset button that automatically assigns individual instructions depending on position. I.E. I put Roy Keane in the middle, I click on preset/defensive mid and his individual player instructions are assigned. It's pretty useful to use as a starting point and tweak from there.

Declaring interest in players has some funny results-Arsenal declared an interest in Gary Neville and all the Arsenal fans went nuts, saying basically that the Man U scum didn't deserve to wear the Arsenal jersey.

I've only played a couple matches, but I like the improved 2D. I do not like the boxes around the names within the 2D though, it just looks bad to me. There weren't there in the last version.

Something tells me there is a bunch more to be seen, so I'm off to play more.

Francis_Cole · 11-05-2003, 03:44 PM

The tactical template feature is very usefull, and the tactical templates are all in xml format so you can edit them, to create a new template - or change an exisiting one

illinifan999 · 11-05-2003, 03:58 PM

How's the noUSA thing working out? Is there a manageable national team?

Passacaglia · 11-05-2003, 04:04 PM

Can anyone poking around there see if you can get the quick starts anywhere? I've tried looking around, but haven't seen them. Thanks.

Scholes · 11-05-2003, 04:39 PM

Italy, Portugal, Germany, Scotland are here:

Linkage

klayman · 11-05-2003, 04:48 PM

I think the 2D AI has been vastly improved. My midfielders attack the box, and I almost fell out of my chair when my defenders actually attempted a tackle.

Wasabiak · 11-05-2003, 05:35 PM

Dang, i wish i knew more about soccer. I tried the demo briefly at work today. Have never played any of the previous soccer games. Of course, i'm completely lost as to how the game works. Might have to do some soccer research and get into this, as it looks like a very fun sim.

Icy · 11-05-2003, 05:37 PM

All the quickstarts:

ftp://ftp.sigames.com/demos/CM%2003-04/

The mor ei'm playing it the more i like it. It has a lot of small things that make it really great and easier to use. My only complain now is the 2D AI.

This what klayman said is sad but true " almost fell out of my chair when my defenders actually attempted a tackle"
That has been at lest tweaked, but we shouldn't be as excited of seing a defenseman to try to stop the forward, they are supossed to do that and much more. It has been tweaked but still work needs to be done to show real first divisions football.
Anyway after the CM4 deception i'm so happy with this game by now, i'm again a Sigames believer

Now something weird, being spanish i have been living soocer around me since i was a child, played in my city junior team, etc etc. But during last year i learned a lot about american football, bought some books, read in the net etc (watched it before at TV but not knowing the strategies, etc as deep as now) and i must admit that i love it now, mybe even more than soccer. I think that this is the first year that i'm more excited about other text sims releases like FOF2k4 and TPF than about my loved CM series.
Of course not any text sims is as deep as CM right now so i will play it anyway

About the ones that say that they don't know enought about soccer, just ask, i have learned a lot about USA football from you, is my time to pay back

SirFozzie · 11-05-2003, 05:46 PM

Icy:

Can you see any of the American players? I know it's just a quick start, but just curious

Icy · 11-05-2003, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SirFozzie
Icy:

Can you see any of the American players? I know it's just a quick start, but just curious

I can only see the USA main squad so i guess that the USA professional teams are out

Neuqua · 11-05-2003, 06:34 PM

I can actually see, and click on, the real players from the US National team. They don't seem to have a team listed for them however, as expected.

Honolulu_Blue · 11-06-2003, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Scholes

Declaring interest in players has some funny results-Arsenal declared an interest in Gary Neville and all the Arsenal fans went nuts, saying basically that the Man U scum didn't deserve to wear the Arsenal jersey.

Good lads. I f*ckin' hate that hairy-lipped b*stard.

daedalus · 11-06-2003, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wasabiak
Dang, i wish i knew more about soccer. I tried the demo briefly at work today. Have never played any of the previous soccer games. Of course, i'm completely lost as to how the game works. Might have to do some soccer research and get into this, as it looks like a very fun sim.

Treat it as a strategy game - it is no more than a strategy game with roleplaying element in a soccer/football setting (as is FOF with respect to american football). Although I am learning about soccer some (much to my chagrin), much of the nuances that would be obvious to a long-time soccer fan still goes over my head. Yet, that does not stop me from enjoying the game (now, the annoyances with regards to the game "cracking" your formation . . . that's another story).

Marc Vaughan · 11-06-2003, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SirFozzie
You might as well say "The First Hit's Free"

And yes.. it's because of F'n Eidos that I was going to wait for "Sports Interactive Football 2004-05" or whatever the heck they were going to call it.

But rationalization is a GOOD thing... I guess.

CM03-04 is the last game which Sports Interactive are making for Eidos, our future management games (whatever they are called) will continue using our games engine.

Eidos will be creating a new 'Championship Manager' game themselves for next year which I believe they will be calling CM5.

Marc Vaughan · 11-06-2003, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Francis_Cole
Will CM03/04 be available for download purchase or have to go through snail mail again

At the moment its only "snail mail"

Because we're splitting with Eidos I'm afraid its somewhat unlikely that a download version will be available this time around .... watch this space though, I'm only a humble coder and business stuff isn't my 'bag' really ...

Marc Vaughan · 11-06-2003, 08:06 AM

Quote:

In game printing

Francis Cole implemented all of the print stuff in the game - twas the first thing he did when he joined us (we've rescued him from university for his year out

) .....

Please forward any bugs you find in it via. PM to him

FrogMan · 11-06-2003, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Marc Vaughan
Because we're splitting with Eidos I'm afraid its somewhat unlikely that a download version will be available this time around .... watch this space though, I'm only a humble coder and business stuff isn't my 'bag' really ...

Thanks for answering my question, Marc. I was just thinking "maybe I should email that Marc dude..."

A downloadable version would be great for us North Americans, at least I'd see it as great as would very much increase my possible impulsive buy of the game, say on a snowy winter weekend... Keep us posted if you hear anything, good or bad...

FM

Ryan S · 11-06-2003, 09:59 AM

I have a question for Marc regarding free kick takers.

When you see Free Kick (L) and Free Kick (R) on the tactics screen, does that refer to the side of the pitch the free kick is being taken from, or are you selecting your prefered left and right footed free kick takers?

Wasabiak · 11-06-2003, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by daedalus
Treat it as a strategy game - it is no more than a strategy game with roleplaying element in a soccer/football setting (as is FOF with respect to american football). Although I am learning about soccer some (much to my chagrin), much of the nuances that would be obvious to a long-time soccer fan still goes over my head. Yet, that does not stop me from enjoying the game (now, the annoyances with regards to the game "cracking" your formation . . . that's another story).

It's probably just a matter of learning the lingo. I'm going to spend some time with it tonight at home.

Jeez, why do ALL the really good games all come out at once? Might have to take out a loan.

Marc Vaughan · 11-06-2003, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryan S
I have a question for Marc regarding free kick takers.

When you see Free Kick (L) and Free Kick (R) on the tactics screen, does that refer to the side of the pitch the free kick is being taken from, or are you selecting your prefered left and right footed free kick takers?

Its the side of the pitch the kick is taken from.

11-05-2003, 12:11 PM	#2
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Wow, that caught me totally offguard. Thanks! __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

11-05-2003, 12:29 PM	#5
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	All Cool new features - MLS and its players= No Sale to me, at least for the start __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

11-05-2003, 12:30 PM	#6
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	Really surprissing, i thought it would be out a week before the game. Downloading now __________________

11-05-2003, 12:33 PM	#7
Joe Canadian College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada	Excellent!!! Going to download it now... __________________ Steve Davis (Joe Canadian) GO LEAFS GO!! GO FOG DEVILS GO!! LETS GO JAYS!! EHM 2005 DYNASTY: A New Philosophy in Toronto!

11-05-2003, 12:33 PM	#8
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	Excellent, something to do while I wait on FOF... __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

11-05-2003, 12:16 PM	#3
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	hot damn! can't wait for this to be released

11-05-2003, 12:34 PM	#9
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	man... reading the reactions thread over at SIgames really has me drooling. Feels alot different than the reactions to CM4. Need to scrounge up some cash now

11-05-2003, 12:41 PM	#10
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I refuse to go to the SIGames forums because I don't understand the insults. Looking forward to impressions posted here about the demo since I won't be able to download it until Thursday night.

11-05-2003, 12:50 PM	#11
Francis_Cole SI Games Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: London, England	In-game printing/ HTML and text format as well __________________ "We are not the Chad Pennington Jets" - Chad Pennington

11-05-2003, 12:55 PM	#12
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	F'in Eidos... If this game is as good as the reviews it's getting... I might have to reconsider my stance :? __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

11-05-2003, 01:05 PM	#15
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Excellent work not titling the topic just 'Demo Available', giving many reason for kicking your ass.

11-05-2003, 01:09 PM	#16
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	Will CM03/04 be available for download purchase or have to go through snail mail again?

11-05-2003, 01:17 PM	#18
Francis_Cole SI Games Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: London, England	Will CM03/04 be available for download purchase or have to go through snail mail again At the moment its only "snail mail" __________________ "We are not the Chad Pennington Jets" - Chad Pennington

11-05-2003, 01:23 PM	#19
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	So, I'm still a little confused from the SI/Eidos split. Is this demo the last one based on the SI code, or is this the first version of the new Eidos code? __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

11-05-2003, 01:25 PM	#20
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	This is the final Champ Manager based on SI code. SI takes their code and gets a new title next year, while Eidos takes the Championship Manager name and does a new game with it... (and likely flushes the good name of CM down the commode, does Eidos) IIRC, Francis_Cole is one of the bigwigs at SI, but of course, I've been known to be wrong before __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

11-05-2003, 01:28 PM	#22
Francis_Cole SI Games Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: London, England	IIRC, Francis_Cole is one of the bigwigs at SI, I'm 5"4.. does that count as big ? __________________ "We are not the Chad Pennington Jets" - Chad Pennington

11-05-2003, 01:33 PM	#23
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Cool, thanks. I've been back playing CM4 a lot more, so I'll look forward to trying this demo. If GameSpot doesn't carry this for the folks back in the US, I will be back for Christmas, so if the game is released before then, I can bring copies back for folks who can't order from the UK for whatever reason. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

11-05-2003, 01:35 PM	#24
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I wonder when gogamer will have it available for pre-order...

11-05-2003, 01:56 PM	#27
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	Here are my first impressions after an hour playing it: Press interation: Much better, it was almost none before. Training: Really improved, i love it now, deep but easy as there is a graph that shows you the overal effect of that traning (for mental, physic, attack, defense, mid, keeper and total). If you set a whole week with sprints, 5 + 5, etc etc, you see a graph with the skills that will develop for that kind of traning. If you change for example gym for tactics you will see in the graph how fisics goes down while mental goes up. That makes it much easier to underestand for the average guy. This is great also: Effects of training now visually indicated on player profile screen 2D: Well, seems improved a bit, but still too many long passes and almost not midfield, could be ok for an UK football fan, but too bored for a spanish one, you won't see good midfielders passing each other 5 times until they find a hole on the defense. There are also lots of improvements on the interface that make it easier to manage, like the back button missed from the old CM3. I like it a lot of more now, much more polished, i only would like a better 2D AI, but i supossed that was not fixed as they never answered about it at their forum. The text sim reports seems improved so we can play it like the old series anyway. This is just my first review, my mind could change with the hours playing it, overal i like it much more than CM4, lets see if it is not bugged, that will take more time to see. __________________ Last edited by Icy : 11-05-2003 at 02:02 PM.

11-05-2003, 02:00 PM	#28
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Thanks for the quick impressions Icy. Sounds great.

11-05-2003, 02:45 PM	#29
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	gogamer will be listing the game 'sometime this week' according to the SI forums. And thanks for the impressions, Icy! I still don't know much about soccer yet, so to me it pretty much looks the same as the CM4 demo!

11-05-2003, 02:50 PM	#30
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	Thanks for the gogamer info Passacaglia!

11-05-2003, 03:20 PM	#31
Scholes High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN	First thoughts: Some of the real cool stuff: A quick button you click to show the effect training has had on a player in his attribute screen. Transfers are a little more abundant, including realistic loan/option to purchase deals. Tactics- Some new default tactics (I noticed a 4-2-3-1 Man Utd style in there) and a preset button that automatically assigns individual instructions depending on position. I.E. I put Roy Keane in the middle, I click on preset/defensive mid and his individual player instructions are assigned. It's pretty useful to use as a starting point and tweak from there. Declaring interest in players has some funny results-Arsenal declared an interest in Gary Neville and all the Arsenal fans went nuts, saying basically that the Man U scum didn't deserve to wear the Arsenal jersey. I've only played a couple matches, but I like the improved 2D. I do not like the boxes around the names within the 2D though, it just looks bad to me. There weren't there in the last version. Something tells me there is a bunch more to be seen, so I'm off to play more.

11-05-2003, 03:44 PM	#32
Francis_Cole SI Games Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: London, England	The tactical template feature is very usefull, and the tactical templates are all in xml format so you can edit them, to create a new template - or change an exisiting one __________________ "We are not the Chad Pennington Jets" - Chad Pennington

11-05-2003, 03:58 PM	#33
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	How's the noUSA thing working out? Is there a manageable national team? __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

11-05-2003, 04:04 PM	#34
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Can anyone poking around there see if you can get the quick starts anywhere? I've tried looking around, but haven't seen them. Thanks.

11-05-2003, 04:39 PM	#35
Scholes High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: St. Paul, MN	Italy, Portugal, Germany, Scotland are here: Linkage

11-05-2003, 04:48 PM	#36
klayman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edmonton	I think the 2D AI has been vastly improved. My midfielders attack the box, and I almost fell out of my chair when my defenders actually attempted a tackle.

11-05-2003, 05:35 PM	#37
Wasabiak High School Varsity Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Beulah, ND	Dang, i wish i knew more about soccer. I tried the demo briefly at work today. Have never played any of the previous soccer games. Of course, i'm completely lost as to how the game works. Might have to do some soccer research and get into this, as it looks like a very fun sim.

11-05-2003, 05:37 PM	#38
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	All the quickstarts: ftp://ftp.sigames.com/demos/CM%2003-04/ The mor ei'm playing it the more i like it. It has a lot of small things that make it really great and easier to use. My only complain now is the 2D AI. This what klayman said is sad but true " almost fell out of my chair when my defenders actually attempted a tackle" That has been at lest tweaked, but we shouldn't be as excited of seing a defenseman to try to stop the forward, they are supossed to do that and much more. It has been tweaked but still work needs to be done to show real first divisions football. Anyway after the CM4 deception i'm so happy with this game by now, i'm again a Sigames believer Now something weird, being spanish i have been living soocer around me since i was a child, played in my city junior team, etc etc. But during last year i learned a lot about american football, bought some books, read in the net etc (watched it before at TV but not knowing the strategies, etc as deep as now) and i must admit that i love it now, mybe even more than soccer. I think that this is the first year that i'm more excited about other text sims releases like FOF2k4 and TPF than about my loved CM series. Of course not any text sims is as deep as CM right now so i will play it anyway About the ones that say that they don't know enought about soccer, just ask, i have learned a lot about USA football from you, is my time to pay back __________________ Last edited by Icy : 11-05-2003 at 05:41 PM.

11-05-2003, 05:46 PM	#39
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Icy: Can you see any of the American players? I know it's just a quick start, but just curious __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

11-05-2003, 06:34 PM	#41
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	I can actually see, and click on, the real players from the US National team. They don't seem to have a team listed for them however, as expected. __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

11-06-2003, 09:59 AM	#48
Ryan S Quarterback Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: London, England	I have a question for Marc regarding free kick takers. When you see Free Kick (L) and Free Kick (R) on the tactics screen, does that refer to the side of the pitch the free kick is being taken from, or are you selecting your prefered left and right footed free kick takers?

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