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What Happened to PC Sports Gaming?

If you are one of the lonely PC sports gamers out there still playing a game like MVP 05, then you probably have caught yourself pondering what happened to the good ol' days of PC gaming. You are also probably following rumors and leads as they relate to potential revivals on the PC sports scene. It seems like every couple of months there is a teaser that maybe a Madden game will make a return to the home computer, or that the release of something like NBA 2K9 on the PC will revive the glory days of the platform.

When game companies started to realize that producing sports titles for the PC was no longer a viable business venture and, thus, the production of them dropped off, it forced many die-hards to go to consoles for their fix. Now, that is not a coincidence since the big money is on the consoles. Still, there is a large community of PC players that put a lot of work into the remaining games via updates, Web sites, mods and anything else under the sun.

Looking back, I still remember being a part of the NHL community. It was a great bunch of guys that were dedicated to making the games as true to life as possible. In fact, a whole bunch of the features now available on the console NHL games were created first by these people. I am talking about things like "ditties," which are the songs that play in-game during goals, stoppages, etc. I am also talking about detailed goaltender equipment and arena ice textures, as well as real ads on the boards. I even remember playing a NHL game that had roster editors and face importing, plus programs that allowed you to add photo packs for whole teams.

If you think that was impressive, then what the MVP fans did went above and beyond that. Over the past few years, this classic baseball game, which came out nearly half a decade ago, has been overhauled to such a degree that fans have pretty much created a whole new game. They have cracked just about every code and rewritten things so that you can play a title that seems like it was produced today. From overlays to uniforms and everything in between, it is all updated.


A rare sight, a PC sports gaming box.

So what happened? Why have companies stopped putting out these titles? One reason is the price point; most PC sports titles have gone from $19.99 to $39.99 -- sans the recent 2K titles. When considering the small window of time that sports games get on store shelves before they are outdated, it can be argued that it is kind of hard to make money under those conditions.

Piracy would be another major killing point for the industry. It is a whole lot harder to mod a console to allow burned games to play, then it is to get away with pirating a PC game.

And, lastly, the other major thing that now holds PC sports titles back is the fact that most of them are ports from older versions of console games. For instance, if you played Madden during the end of its life cycle on the PC, the last installments looked nothing like what was being played on an Xbox 360 in the graphics department.

And, while computers are far more powerful than consoles in terms of what they can display, if you make a game that is to be run on a super computer -- with all the latest bells and whistles -- then you are likely limiting the amount of consumers that can even play the game.

But with all that has gone on, there is still always talk of reviving several PC sports titles. Would Madden and NCAA Football lead the way? New technologies and new ways of distributing titles could perhaps be the stimulus for such a revival.

Would things work better this time around? Maybe, because of innovations like buying a download of a game rather than a hard copy, which would make it easier to distribute titles to gamers -- it helps that EA now releases titles on Steam.

Whatever happens, I cannot help but root for a PC revival because, while consoles may always be king, never underestimate the passion and dedication of a computer-gaming sports fan.


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# 1 DocHolliday @ 04/17/09 10:58 AM
I use to be strictly PC back in the day. NBA Live 01 was probably one of the best basketball games I have ever played (right up there with INSIDE DRIVE 04)

Sadly, I had to get a console. Things just started going south. First it was no madden, then Live was gone, etc etc.

The communities were amazing though, not like the crap that you get to day on the consoles. Trying to play NBA 2k9 online right now is like trying to deal with "special" children with limited vocab and a uncontrollable urge to scream and question the color of my skin.

Its pretty sad really.
 
# 2 ChampN252 @ 04/17/09 11:21 AM
I'm a hardcore PC gamer myself. The games that are being made on consoles wouldn't have as many limitations on PC. I know right off the bat, a good gaming PC cost quite a bit at the start, but you get more variety, less limitations, more performance, and lower prices. I think its a money thing more that stealing. Like Madden 10 could not sell for $60 on PC and the price would drop about $10 every 2-3 months. I was in Gamestop and saw $60 360 games, only $40 on the PC. I know I have about 10 games I play all the time and they are all published by EA, but they are the one I am the maddest at. I want Madden on PC (my Xbox and PS3 are broke).
 
# 3 tril @ 04/17/09 12:00 PM
When it comes to graphics and features PC games and the current GEN games on consoles are running neck and neck. with PC holding a slim lead.
That is the reason why PC sports titles are far and few.
In order for there to be a huge revival in PC sports titles and other titles for that matter, the PC will have to go through some huge shift or advance in technology. This is the reason why PC gaming was considered far superior to the consoles.

plainly put the average home PC does the same thing as the consoles now.

What I believe will spark a resurgence in PC sports games is the quest for folks seeking a true sim experience. The processing power of a PC allows software developers to do this.
However in order for this to take place, the developers for these sports titles cant be from the same company. All that these developers are doing or would do is port a game from console to PC.

IMO, MVP was an anomaly because that was a title that was released on the old gen consoles, and at that time the quality of PC gaming was far superior. I dont recall MVP05 being released on the current gen. Guarenteed if this game was released on the current gen and PC the games would most likely be the same.

Finally, NBA 2k9 PC version, has raised my expectations for PC gaming. IMO, The adaptive AI is vastly superior to the current gen versions. The graphics are also better. But then 2k releases a baseball title on PC, and the expectations get stifled a bit.
 
# 4 rudyjuly2 @ 04/17/09 12:05 PM
I have never been a PC gamer. I've always preferred to play in the comfort of my living room than in front of a monitor.

Piracy is huge. Why make a game when the majority of people just rip you off and you make no money?

PCs are not much more powerful than the current consoles with regards to graphics. Consoles are dedicated gaming machines that can do more with less power so you have to compare apples to apples. Just comparing specs isn't a fair comparison. For those PCs that can produce better graphics, they are so expensive that many casual gamers don't want to invest that kind of money.
 
# 5 thesicnessnz @ 04/18/09 12:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DocHolliday
I use to be strictly PC back in the day. NBA Live 01 was probably one of the best basketball games I have ever played (right up there with INSIDE DRIVE 04)

Sadly, I had to get a console. Things just started going south. First it was no madden, then Live was gone, etc etc.

The communities were amazing though, not like the crap that you get to day on the consoles. Trying to play NBA 2k9 online right now is like trying to deal with "special" children with limited vocab and a uncontrollable urge to scream and question the color of my skin.

Its pretty sad really.
Took the words right out of my mouth! NBA Live 01... ohhhh yea! takes me back to the good ol' day of CUSTIMIZATION.

Your right about the communities too. Ive played 2k9 twice online (360) because the people you play are friggin frustrating.. I mean COME ON!!! full court press the whole time!!! Arrrgggghhh go play NBA jam!!!!
 
# 6 Gotmadskillzson @ 04/18/09 02:15 AM
It is a couple of things that happened in the past 5 years or so that caused the decline of PC sports game.

1. 360 and PS3 - These 2 consoles are as powerful as any PC was 4 years ago.

2. Pricing - A gaming computer cost well over a $1,000. And I'm not just talking about the graphics card. The CPU itself have to be powerful nowadays. I was at Walmart yesterday browisng the PC gaming section. All the modern games, Godfather 2, Wheelman, Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena, Civilization 4, etc all require a minium CPU of 2.8GHZ.

PC gaming is expensive and every 2 years it requires a faster CPU to run. Then with graphic cards, good lord you have to get a new one damn near every year. And then you have to have at least 3GB or more RAM.

That right there is why PC sports games fell to the way side. You can buy a 360 for $300 or PS3 for $400 and it will last you a good 7 or 8 years.

You buy a $1,500 PC and it will last a year before you have to upgrade the graphics card or buy more RAM for it. Now granted the communities OVERALL for PC games is vastly superior then consoles, but that price difference will always make PC games sales decline.
 
# 7 biglami @ 04/18/09 06:05 AM
I am thinking of getting a laptop (Apple or PC?) for my travels, and the only quality games I am seeing are NBA 2K9 (PC only) and Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (Apple and PC). Am I missing anything? Or is that pretty much the point of this article (that there is nothing)

I am a 360 guy, and for my in home needs, I cant be happier with EA/2K for sports and Halo/ COD for my thirst for carnage on the console
 
# 8 P-Dub @ 04/18/09 08:29 AM
I'll tell you what happened to sports gaming on the PC. The Xbox360 and the PS3 happened.

What are you going to do, ignore them as a developer and continue to work on a game with a dated engine for the PS2, X-Box, and PC? 'Yeah, we'll make the PC version with old-generation graphics so we don't lose 1,000 customers who won't be able to upgrade their machines, but we will be missing out on 10,000 customers who don't buy the game since it doesn't take advantage of their modern hardware.'

The PC is just not a priority. Bless 2KSports for what they did this year and I hope they continue doing it. I bought both their games. I also bought two versions of NBA 2K9, one for the 360, one for the PC.

Who sais I can't lean back in my chair while playing PC games?
 
# 9 nrt25 @ 04/18/09 11:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotmadskillzson
It is a couple of things that happened in the past 5 years or so that caused the decline of PC sports game.

1. 360 and PS3 - These 2 consoles are as powerful as any PC was 4 years ago.

2. Pricing - A gaming computer cost well over a $1,000. And I'm not just talking about the graphics card. The CPU itself have to be powerful nowadays. I was at Walmart yesterday browisng the PC gaming section. All the modern games, Godfather 2, Wheelman, Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena, Civilization 4, etc all require a minium CPU of 2.8GHZ.

PC gaming is expensive and every 2 years it requires a faster CPU to run. Then with graphic cards, good lord you have to get a new one damn near every year. And then you have to have at least 3GB or more RAM.

That right there is why PC sports games fell to the way side. You can buy a 360 for $300 or PS3 for $400 and it will last you a good 7 or 8 years.

You buy a $1,500 PC and it will last a year before you have to upgrade the graphics card or buy more RAM for it. Now granted the communities OVERALL for PC games is vastly superior then consoles, but that price difference will always make PC games sales decline.

If you custom build a gaming PC and you put 1500 into the PC (WAY more money then you need to build a decent PC) then I can guarantee you it will last longer then year before you "need" to upgrade it. That said PC gaming is still more expensive then the consoles and its very intimidating for someone who doesn't know much about PC hardware.

Factor in that low install base with the fact that PC gamers would be much less likely to buy he same PC sports franchise every year because of the great user created mods that often appear for sports games to upgrade and update them. It then becomes pretty easy to see why companies would be reluctant to put out new sports games on the platform.
 
# 10 hbk_wess @ 04/18/09 12:39 PM
actually the every 2 years thing is soooo overated. only when 2k released mlb 2k9 on pc have i even thought of upgrading to play a game on the pc. ive ran the same pc setup for over 5 years and until now i havent had to upgrade.
 
# 11 tiedyed @ 04/19/09 02:47 AM
If you think console games, are hard to pirate, then you are very misinformed.There is no great modding needed anymore.Do a search for xbox torrents or wii torrents, in any search engine and you will see.
As for needing a new pc every year or two to play new games. My pc is 5 years old had to spend 74$ on a new vid card this year to play anything, that is made for the pc.,and comparing cosoles with 3-4 year old graphics cards to today's pc's is just foolish.
 
# 12 EnigmaNemesis @ 04/19/09 10:29 PM
I was mainly PC for sports gaming back when it was prevalent.

High Heat, MVP, Madden, Microsoft Baseball, etc.

Mainly due to the better versions graphically, and ONLINE, which the consoles at the time did not have.

But in the sad world of piracy, etc, and the fact that The Show is PS3 anyhow ... the PC gaming for sports no longer gets love for me. But I still use it heavily for RTS, RPG, and FPS games.
 
# 13 DolphinDave @ 04/20/09 01:01 AM
I got a quad-core processor, 9800gt, and 4gigs of ram and it only cost me $250.00. And it destroys the PS3 and Xbox 360. So the price for a high-end computer is about the same as a console. And my pc doesn't burn up the consoles do.

Also, with OnLive coming out, EA could put there sport games exclusively on there. And with OnLive, you can have a 10 year old computer and still play games like crysis of FC2 on ultra settings with NO LAG at all.

Peter Moore is just a douche bag and should be fired.
 
# 14 ComfortablyLomb @ 04/20/09 01:55 PM
After buying a few older PC games recently and having to jump through hoops to get them to function properly on my PC (which is more powerful than it needs to be for 3-4 year old games) I've remembered why I started to shy away from PC games in the first place.

PC gamers love to tell you that they love the customization and tweakability but really they're the biggest graphics whores on the planet and to satiate them new games constantly push the limits of what hardware can do. And since there are so many different types of configurations a lot of stuff goes wrong along the way. I've been pounding this drum for a while but the question for every more realistic and details graphics leads to more bad games than good games.
 
# 15 dbchang @ 04/20/09 03:20 PM
This is a shameless plug, but our game, MLB Dugout Heroes is a full-featured PC baseball game that was given a good review on this site:

http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=852

So far we have had good success in getting former UBO players - I'd like to invite anyone that wants a PC baseball game to download it and try it out. It is an item based game, so you don't need to spend anything if you don't want to.
 
# 16 EnigmaNemesis @ 04/20/09 05:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbchang
This is a shameless plug, but our game, MLB Dugout Heroes is a full-featured PC baseball game that was given a good review on this site:

http://www.operationsports.com/feature.php?id=852

So far we have had good success in getting former UBO players - I'd like to invite anyone that wants a PC baseball game to download it and try it out. It is an item based game, so you don't need to spend anything if you don't want to.
Cool, will give it a look, thanks.
 
# 17 demencia_total @ 04/20/09 11:55 PM
There are several key things that I think have affected PC sports titles as a whole:

The first is, the price point of software. Developers know that they can make more money charging $60+ over a longer period of time, while a PC title enters the market at a lower price and drops faster, as ChampN252 noted. Also, the PC community demands more out of developers than console gamers, such as steady patches with detailed explanations of what has been fixed and added content for no extra charge, unless it's a full expansion.

The second thing in my opinion is pure unadultered misinformation. As some of the previous posters have noted, they believe that they must upgrade their systems constantly to be able to run the latest games. Now, this might hold true if you bought your PC a few years ago, but as processor speeds have basically capped out and high speed dual/quad core setups with more than 2 Gigs of ram have become commonplace, it is not hard to find a cheap system that can basically run anything. Video cards you say? You can find a GeForce 8800 GT for basically a $100 bucks more or less, and that will run anything currently out there, even Crysis. ATI has it's own line of cheap cards that run almost every game at over 60 frames per second. These cards will last you quite a few years, unless you insist to max out settings on every game in the future, which is a highly unrealistic given that usually developers make these options available for the people who have the most up to date, ridiculously expensive systems. If you want to run NBA 2k9 (and probably 10) at 200 frames per second, then perhaps these are for you.

My point is that PC gaming is not as expensive as people make it out to be nowadays, unless you want the latest thing constantly. FYI, unless you have a lot of money available to you at all times, this is impossible. PC hardware is constantly evolving, and games usually are not up to date with the latest hardware. Hell, there are still very few games that take advantage of multicore processors, and those have been around for a while now. With the cheap, more common setups currently available, the games still run beautifully and look way better than their console counterparts. That is, if the developers actually put any effort and don't actually make a crappier version just to make a quick buck (example, the PC FIFA series).

Also, there is a HUGE market out there for these games, as the PC community is more world wide than consoles by a mile. When powerful developers (such as EA) try to localize their games all around the world, people will purchase them. That is, if they are worth a lick, which they're not. At least as PC sports gaming goes, that is.
 
# 18 DHoos @ 04/21/09 12:11 AM
Actually, publishers can make more money off of PC games since they don't have to pay royalties like they do to MS/Sony/Nintendo.

The simplest explanation for what has happened to PC sports gaming is this:

PC sales slow while console sales increase
Resources allocated away from PC
Retailers begin reducing the # of PC titles carried
Sales slow even more
More resources taken from PC
Retailers reduce again
Sales slow again
Titles canceled
 
# 19 mva5580 @ 04/21/09 12:24 AM
Sigh...........

Any article that is ever written about PC gaming on a "main stream" website always brings out the people who are just completely ignorant to PC gaming, and I just wish they would shut their mouths. But obviously it'll never happen.

1) PC's cost nowhere CLOSE to as much as so many of you make it out to be. Add in the fact that ALL OF YOU already own a PC, where as you have to buy a console separately, and hey what do you know. That extra money you put into the console you could've put into your PC instead and had a solid gaming PC.

2) I play my PC in my living room, on my 46" LCD HDTV at 1920 x 1080 resolution from the comfort of my couch. And I can use a controller in any damn game I please. The "comfort" level with PC's for me is equal to consoles. It's not my, or the genre's fault if you're all stuck in the 80's/90's huddled up on a computer desk leaning into a monitor. Evolve already.

But I know I know, there's way too much rational thought here for people to acknowledge it, so go ahead and continue with your uneducated, ancient opinions of PC gaming. I'll leave you to it.
 
# 20 demencia_total @ 04/21/09 12:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DHoos
Actually, publishers can make more money off of PC games since they don't have to pay royalties like they do to MS/Sony/Nintendo.
Good point. On the plus also, PC games usually take less money to develop since all programmers are familiar with the hardware, whereas with consoles, they encounter unknowns and obstacles which end up costing them more.
 

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