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NCAA Basketball 09: A Second Opinion

I have been a College Hoops 2K fan since the inception of the series back on my PS2. As a huge fan of college basketball, I always loved how 2K was able to get the little things about the game right. I loved how they would include all the teams, all the fight songs, all the mascots, all the arenas, all the jerseys, and it didn't hurt that the game always played great.

As the years progressed, the 2K engine started showing its age, and I became increasingly bored with the series up until College Hoops 2K8 was released last November. 2K8 was the pinnacle of college hoops gaming -- from the outstanding pregame analysis, to the weekly wrap up shows, to the incredibly deep gameplay mechanics, CH 2K8 was a college basketball fan's dream come true. Needless to say, I was crushed earlier this year when I heard that 2K would no longer be continuing the franchise that had left me wanting more after the release of 2K8.

I'll admit it, I actually laughed when I heard EA was scrapping March Madness in favor of a more generic title, NCAA Basketball 09. The March Madness series had been in shambles since its inception on the PS2, and I really could not see things getting any better with this year's title. The series needed to be reinvented from the ground up to even be playable -- a feat that seems impossible to accomplish in today's quick-fix, financially driven gaming industry.

Sure, EA had accomplished this monumental task before, taking the Triple Play baseball series and creating the critically acclaimed MVP series, but basketball has not been EA's strong suit during the last decade. I had zero expectations for this year's crop of EA hoops titles and had negative expectations (if that's even possible) for the newly coined NCAA Basketball 09. But I have had a good time with NBA Live this year, so I thought I would give NCAA Basketball 09 a chance as well.

 


Jumping In

When I look at a basketball game, authenticity is important to me, but what is more important to me is a simple control scheme and presentation system that is able to convey the illusion that I am part of an actual hoops game. But, I think over the years, basketball games have gotten away from the simplicity that made them so fun. I have been pushing for a basketball game that has that simplicity element from yesteryear -- coupled with beautiful graphics and presentation. In fact, it's a dynamic that I have been craving for ever since I bought my PS3 and 360.

So with that in mind, I have to say that NCAA Basketball is a superb video game that should be played by anyone who is a fan of college basketball and old-school, simplistic basketball games that have an underlying layer of depth.

Gameplay

NCAA Basketball is simply an outstanding experience. If you enjoyed Live but were annoyed by clipping issues, strange animation glitches and other graphical oddities, you will be extremely pleased with NCAA 09. The game is very polished, and player movement and animations look and feel great. You will no longer see the ball magically clip through bodies when throwing the ball into the post; you will no longer see players' arms and legs clip through opponents; and more importantly, you will no longer lose control of your player when you initiate a crossover animation.

The overall feel to the game is also solid. Players seem to move at just the right pace, court spacing is just right (it felt a bit cluttered in CH 2K8 and Live 09), and there does not seem to be a problem with the nasty CPU defensive rubber-banding that plagued Live this season.

The CPU also seems to make smart decisions. Your CPU opponents will work the ball around and try to find the open man. I was pretty impressed while playing against Duke since the CPU player attacked my defense, causing it to collapse, and then the Duke player kicked the ball out for an open 3.

It seems like EA was able to nail player movement and team movement this year. As I said before, Live felt very cluttered in terms of court spacing, leading to a lot of needless turnovers due to clogged passing lanes -- it also did not help that Live's passing was iffy when not using icon passing.

Player control is a huge step up from Live and CH 2K8 as well. Live at times felt clunky due to an animation/momentum system that would send you wildly out of control if you chained certain Ankle-Breaker combos together. In CH 2K8, I had major issues creating space against defenders due to an Isomotion system that felt very stiff, and a defense that seemed to stick to me like gum on a new pair of shoes.

 


NCAA 09 solves both of these issues by somewhat toning down how your player reacts during dribble moves and turbo usage. As you can see in my demo preview, this was one area of the game I was most worried about. My biggest gripe in college basketball games is when the developer gives college kids the same crossover move-set as the NBA players. So after comparing the final build to the demo, I was very surprised to see the Ankle-Breaker moves had been toned down.

In general, it just seems like the moves are not as emphasized as they are in Live. The game allows you to succeed playing an isolation style game, but it makes you work much harder than if you were to employ a more team-based attack.

On the defensive side of the ball, NCAA 09 seems to be a bit more polished than Live. As you can see in my article detailing Live's defensive mechanics, it took a lot of practice to master D in Live. In NCAA 09, it seems to be a bit easier to play defense because your CPU teammates actually play help defense and will effectively rotate to take on your man if he blows past you.

Lock-on defense seems to be a bit easier to utilize in NCAA 09, as does Lockdown Defense. The CPU -- even on the highest difficulties -- does not seem to blow by you as easily when you commit to the wrong direction using Lockdown Defense. Also, the CPU seems to shy away from aggressive D by kicking the ball out to a more open player (I'm pretty sure this is because the CPU wants to avoid a five-second call). Post defense is also improved, and it seems much easier to negate a big man in the paint.

As Chris already mentioned in his review, the playcalling is a basketball gamer's dream. It's easy to call plays, and they are executed to perfection when called. The computer even gets into the act -- the CPU did not in the demo -- and calls multiple screens, rolls and defensive presses/traps. I was very impressed by what the CPU was throwing at me on All-Conference difficulty.

I did not have any trouble with the rebounding; though, Chris did. I have not encountered any instances where players have been in poor position or didn't go aggressively after a board. I think the rebounding engine is a step up from Live 09 because in that game I have noticed numerous oddities, like balls being prematurely taken off rims and strange box out positioning. I'm not saying the rebounding system is perfect, but it does not stop me from playing the game either.

The gameplay is a great representation of college basketball, and the Set the Tempo feature adds another layer to the gameplay. It was fun to run an up-tempo style, and it was also a blast to slow things down while attempting to beat Duke with my Alma Mater, the University of Detroit. The temp feature seems to work, but I do not think you need to utilize it to be successful in the game. It does seem that quicker, more athletic teams will have more success running against weaker schools, and the weaker schools will be more successful slowing the game down and grinding out baskets. It's a really cool feature, and it does not feel as cheap/gimmicky; I originally thought otherwise in my demo impressions.

 


Presentation

The presentation in the game is nice but is lacking depth. I like the ESPN music and Nessler and Vitale in the booth, but I still think back to the outstanding pregame presentation and weekly TV highlight shows in CH 2K8. There is the play of the half and play of the game, complete with full motion highlights, but this is an area where NCAA 09 is severely lacking -- especially when compared to College Hoops 2K8.

The presentation as it is, is still nice. The crowds are lively, the audio is good, and the commentary works. The NCAA developers just need to step it up a few notches next year and they will be good to go. The gameplay is there, now they have to work on the little details, much like NCAA Football 09.

Intangibles

NCAA 09 has one of the coolest features I have seen in any sports game: the Rival indicator. When anyone signs online and his or her selected favorite team is a rival of yours, an indicator will appear telling you there is a rival online. All you have to do is press the left stick and it will show you where on a map of the USA/Canada the rival is playing from, and what team he has selected. Last night I signed in (University of Detroit is my favorite school), and I was notified that there were two Butler fans online residing in Indiana and Tennessee. If I wanted to challenge them to a game, all I had to do was press a button and wait for them to accept. You can also use a filter to view who is online with a top 25 team selected. The feature is really cool, and it gives you a sense of campus rivalry within a community.

Overall

NCAA Basketball 09 is my pick for comeback sports game of the year. Nitpick all you want (and people will), but the bottom line is that the game is a lot of fun. Sure it does not have online dynasty, campus legend, or five-on-five online, but those missing parts are offset by a solid playing title and a great Dynasty mode that is simple to play. Sure, there are improvements that can be made next year, and sure you may run into the occasional gameplay hiccup, but anyone who loves college basketball and loves basketball games should check this title out. Personally my copy of NBA Live 09 just found a new home next to the other games collecting dust in my entertainment room. NCAA Basketball 09 will be getting a lot of play even after March Madness has ended.


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Member Comments
# 41 K_rob11 @ 11/21/08 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfree
countryboy...aka- wanna be EA game tester... get off EA'S ****. The game isn't good and no one in their right mind would dish out 60 bucks, if they've played the 2k series before. The demo puts it all out there...like a fat chick in a bikini...aka-ur mom. But next time you try to defend EA, get your facts straight! EA hasn't been anything since SEGA GENSIS days!!!!
Internet fight! Internet fight! WHOO HOO!!
 
# 42 VTPack919 @ 11/21/08 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfree
countryboy...aka- wanna be EA game tester... get off EA'S ****. The game isn't good and no one in their right mind would dish out 60 bucks, if they've played the 2k series before. The demo puts it all out there...like a fat chick in a bikini...aka-ur mom. But next time you try to defend EA, get your facts straight! EA hasn't been anything since SEGA GENSIS days!!!!
3 Posts in and this is what comes out? You are garbage.
 
# 43 elprez98 @ 11/21/08 04:15 PM
I would think that this is a perfect game reading this article. Not impressed.
 
# 44 VTPack919 @ 11/21/08 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by elprez98
I would think that this is a perfect game reading this article. Not impressed.
Then that begs the question.....

Can you even read sir?
 
# 45 ronnyballgame @ 11/21/08 04:26 PM
Wow, this review may have convinced me to buy the game. Can you import NCAA draft classes into Live?
 
# 46 VTPack919 @ 11/21/08 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ronnyballgame
Wow, this review may have convinced me to buy the game. Can you import NCAA draft classes into Live?
No unfortunately not.
 
# 47 Bumble14 @ 11/21/08 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by elprez98
I would think that this is a perfect game reading this article. Not impressed.
Where at any point during this article did I ever say the game was perfect and had no flaws?
 
# 48 VTPack919 @ 11/21/08 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bumble14
Where at any point during this article did I ever say the game was perfect and had no flaws?
Just ignore him in hopes he will go away....
 
# 49 ronnyballgame @ 11/21/08 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by VTPack919
No unfortunately not.

Stinks, but I am definitely going to look into this game...if the wife lets me, haha
 
# 50 phlipmode @ 11/21/08 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bears5122
Some people just have higher expectations, especially for a company as large as EA. I personally don't think the game is bad. But I understand it's still 2 years behind where the CH series was. It's tough to give a company credit for making a game miles behind their dead competitors game from last year.

We know that EA can make a good game when pushed. Just look at FIFA and even NHL. Some don't want to praise them for mediocrity. They should be blowing our minds in sports games.
This is the best post in this thread,.. its just that simple thx bear..

Guys enjoy this game if you like it, as for myself and many others we will not accept a game from EA until they make games better than 2k. GOD knows they have the money.

And Im not applauding a company that should have been making better bball games since live'95...

Would you applaude a 7yr old that just stop wearing diapers to bed???
 
# 51 VTPack919 @ 11/21/08 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by phlipmode
This is the best post in this thread,.. its just that simple thx bear..

Guys enjoy this game if you like it, as for myself and many others we will not accept a game from EA until they make games better than 2k. GOD knows they have the money.

And Im not applauding a company that should have been making better bball games since live'95...

Would you applaude a 7yr old that just stop wearing diapers to bed???
Okay, we get it.
 
# 52 countryboy @ 11/21/08 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfree
Let me first say that this game NCAA is about 5 years behind... meaning no multiplayer dynasty mode, bad camera views, legend teams= stick figures, the commentary sounds like robots, and the player and ball movement is stiff... March Madness and 09 NCAA Basketball is comparable to regular poo to poo w/ corn. We are suppose to buy a game for 60 bucks that is still way behind from where it should be? I think NOT!!!
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Originally Posted by countryboy
Sorry to hear that you disliked the game this much, especially after spending $60 on it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by indyfree
countryboy...aka- wanna be EA game tester... get off EA'S ****. The game isn't good and no one in their right mind would dish out 60 bucks, if they've played the 2k series before. The demo puts it all out there...like a fat chick in a bikini...aka-ur mom. But next time you try to defend EA, get your facts straight! EA hasn't been anything since SEGA GENSIS days!!!!
do you even know what you're talking about, because I sure don't. All I said was that I'm sorry you disliked the game. What facts do I need to get straight?

Wanna be game tester? No not really, I'd rather play the games and continue to work at the job I currently have.

Defending EA? Have you always had issues with reading comprehension or is this something new?

3 posts and this is what you come up with. My guess is that you're a previously banned user or you're just an ignorant, gutless, wanna be tough internet guy, son of a bitch that has nothing better to do than troll an internet forum. Hell, maybe you're both. But in any event, congratulations, I'm sure you're parents are proud of the piece of sh!t you've turned out to be.
 
# 53 HustlinOwl @ 11/21/08 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by countryboy
do you even know what you're talking about, because I sure don't. All I said was that I'm sorry you disliked the game. What facts do I need to get straight?

Wanna be game tester? No not really, I'd rather play the games and continue to work at the job I currently have.

Defending EA? Have you always had issues with reading comprehension or is this something new?

3 posts and this is what you come up with. My guess is that you're a previously banned user or you're just an ignorant, gutless, wanna be tough internet guy, son of a bitch that has nothing better to do than troll an internet forum. Hell, maybe you're both. But in any event, congratulations, I'm sure you're parents are proud of the piece of sh!t you've turned out to be.
 
# 54 dimez10 @ 11/21/08 07:36 PM
I am an old school basketball gamer. Lakers vs. Celtics; Bulls vs. Lakers; Bulls vs. Blazers; NBA Showtime; and who can forget the timeless classic "Coach K Basketball"? I have been an EA supporter until recent years. I can honestly say 2K sports has had a strangle-hold on the basketball video gaming market since NBA 2K on the Dreamcast. Last year's College Hoops 2K8 captured my love for the game like only Coack K had done. I thought in impossible and vowed to not give EA a chance ever again. Make no mistake this is no Coach K, but it is good. The developers have done a great job of adjusting the Live 09 game engine to simulate the college basketball experience. I will use my game from last night as an example. I was playing as Davidson went up against Duke. I move Stefan Curry over to the point guard position before the game to work him in the pick and roll from the tip. While he did a great job of finding the open man and not turning over the ball (which was one of my game focuses), he struggled with his shot off of the dribble. He was 1 of 6 from the 3 pt line in the 1st half; mainly from creating his own shot off the dribble. The Duke's aggressive man-to-man had him bottled up at the point. In the 2nd half, I switched him to the 2 guard spot and I could not believe my eyes. Even when I didn't run a set play, Curry could be clearly seen running off baseline screens and curling off of off-ball back picks. He ended shooting 5-9 from 3-pt land in the 2nd half (6-15 for the entire game) including his final long range shot with 12 seconds on the clock to put us ahead for the win. Not to mention the quickstrike moves are executed way more seamlessly than in it's "older brother" counterpart (Live 09) as well as the fluid player movements. Little subtlties like that explain why this game has once again captured my attention and has we anxiously awaiting "clock-out" time at work to go home and run another game. Please understand, by no means am I saying this is a perfect game or without flaw; but I am saying it is a winner for the hard-core basketball sim gamer as well as basketball fan.
 
# 55 seanhazz1 @ 11/21/08 08:25 PM
It seems to me that those who are bashing NCAA 09 assume that a "DEMO" of a game includes all the features, bells, and whistles of a final product.
Spend your hard earned money any way you want, but to come into a forum and bash a game you (a) don't own, (b), never played, and (c) have no real knowledge about makes you seem hired to do the bashing, by the floundering TAKE TWO company (their stock has plummeted since refusing the EA offer) as a last gasp before they go under.

The reviewer gave an honest opinion, posted here for those who may have been on the fence about buying the game, not for those who already had their mind made up since 2003.

Those that say NBA 2K9 and CHOOPS 2K8 are the pinnacle of sports hoops to date must enjoy:
..... being able to exploit the CPU and players with known trap glitching, out of bounds stealing, continuous clipping issues, corrupted league files, frequent 2K server disconnects and down times, warping players, lack of online dynasty, players who have Jordan-like skills even though their ratings say drastically different, or no fatigue in online play.

I played 20 dynasty seasons in CHOOPS 2K8, and I can't even take that game seriously because I just like this game more...to the point I've already traded in NBA 2K9 because I won't play it anymore.

The llow of the game is much more college-like than any hoops game I've played before it since Coach K.

Those on the fence, read the review 2-3 more times and let it sink in, but ultimately you'll have to play for yourself to actually decide for yourself.
 
# 56 indyfree @ 11/21/08 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by countryboy
do you even know what you're talking about, because I sure don't. All I said was that I'm sorry you disliked the game. What facts do I need to get straight?

Wanna be game tester? No not really, I'd rather play the games and continue to work at the job I currently have.

Defending EA? Have you always had issues with reading comprehension or is this something new?

3 posts and this is what you come up with. My guess is that you're a previously banned user or you're just an ignorant, gutless, wanna be tough internet guy, son of a bitch that has nothing better to do than troll an internet forum. Hell, maybe you're both. But in any event, congratulations, I'm sure you're parents are proud of the piece of sh!t you've turned out to be.
Damn son, didn't you get enough from the first round countryboy? Your fairy-like comeback is barely worthy of my time, but for my amusement I'm going to say this once. If you even think that EA is compareable to 2k than that's almost as big of a joke as your job, which probably involves stroking a shaft... FAGGGG!!!
 
# 57 countryboy @ 11/21/08 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by indyfree
Damn son, didn't you get enough from the first round countryboy? Your fairy-like comeback is barely worthy of my time, but for my amusement I'm going to say this once. If you even think that EA is compareable to 2k than that's almost as big of a joke as your job, which probably involves stroking a shaft... FAGGGG!!!

Can you show me where I said that EA was better than 2k? Go ahead, I'll wait.

And I'm the fagg? I'm not the one having these fantasies about another man swinging from or stroking a dick.
 
# 58 23 @ 11/21/08 10:04 PM
The troll should be gone soon enough
 
# 59 Marino @ 11/21/08 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by countryboy
Can you show me where I said that EA was better than 2k? Go ahead, I'll wait.

And I'm the fagg? I'm not the one having these fantasies about another man swinging from or stroking a dick.
No he was calling you a bundle of sticks.

Now me I personally do not understand the joke, I mean what is so funny about a bundle of sticks?
 
# 60 Flightwhite24 @ 11/21/08 10:56 PM
Stop, please just stop. I want to enjoy what I read also their are minors that visit these forums. Peace fellows, Peace!!!
 


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