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NCAA Designers Step Up to the Plate

In a growing trend around the internet, a number of video game developers and designers are making their presences known on various community forums. EA Sports has done this for a number of years, most notably through Ian Cummings and more recently Phil Frazier. Well we have a newcomer to the arena - Adam Thompson (OMT on the OS forums).

Thompson is one of the designers of the NCAA Football series. In light of Ian’s success at both the Operation Sports and MaddenMania forums, the folks at EA Sports decided to have Thompson fill those shoes for the NCAA franchise.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-q-thread.html

With the release of NCAA Football 09 having been only days past, Thompson has already faced a barrage of excited fans as well as disappointed ones. His question and answer thread in OS’s NCAA Football forum alone has over 2,000 replies since its beginning back on June 3.

Most of the questions have centered on a glitch in the ability to name rosters and the game freezing or crashing upon changing names in the rosters. Of course being a designer working on graphics, it’s hard for him to respond to these questions, but he has done a good job thus far keeping up with the barrage of questions on the subject.

Thompson has even brought a sense of humor to his responses – something rarely seen when somebody is officially representing their company. Thompson’s response to one forum member’s question about whether the addition of a new team to the database, such as Western Kentucky, could have caused the glitch was one such display.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2038500103

“That is my hypothesis,” said Thompson. “Western Kentucky broke the game.”

Of course he’s not making light of the game. In fact most of his responses have been quite helpful and insightful.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2038499912

“Actually,” said Thompson, “we have an automation tester who writes scripts for the game to do repetitive tests like [inputting massive quantities of names into the rosters]. I asked him to write a script for [NCAA Football] 2010 that will name every player on every team so this issue will get caught next time. That's one of the things about testing video games. Every year you learn of a new test that you should have done, and from then on it is tested.”

In fact, he went so far as to address the process of patching a sports game.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2038498338

“The process is just like a game cycle but compressed,” said Thompson. “We have a list of things to patch, figure out when the patch should come out (if there are very serious bugs, we make it come out sooner). Based on when we want it done, we figure out how long everything will take and cut stuff accordingly to be able to schedule it out and get done in time.”

Despite this being his first foray into the Operation Sports forums, Mr. Thompson is holding his own and not cracking under the pressure. Sure there are of course questions he won’t be able to answer, but by and large he’s made a concerted effort to answer as many questions as possible in a way that will help those in need.


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Member Comments
# 21 kcooper47 @ 07/21/08 08:07 PM
I appreciate what OMT does. But let's not forget a few things.

1. He is paid to do this. We are here on our own dime talking about sports video games (something we are passionate about) and while I'm sure Adam shares our passion, he's supposed to be concerned about the massive failure that is Online Dynasty and Roster Management. It's his freaking job. To expect anything less would be asinine.

2. There's nothing that OS or EA can say or do, outside of fixing the game or refunding their customers money, that matters. Many of us were burned by the abortion that was NCAA 08 (next-gen). The only reason we bought this new version was because we stupidly hoped that EA would deliver with online dynasty (a feature that has been clamored for for years). Of course, it fails and we are left $60 dollars lighter. No amount of listening and interacting changes that simple fact.

3. OS is completely full of manure when they say that EA stepped up to the plate. That's a great way to destroy a community that you've spent years building up. I come here for unbiased (as far as that's humanly possible) consideration of sports games. I don't come here to hear tripe about how great EA is because they are doing their job. I don't say that the garbage stepped up to the plate when he takes away my trash. He supposed to do that. If he didn't, he'd be...well he'd be like EA Sports.
 
# 22 vegaas @ 07/21/08 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by kcooper47
3. OS is completely full of manure when they say that EA stepped up to the plate. That's a great way to destroy a community that you've spent years building up. I come here for unbiased (as far as that's humanly possible) consideration of sports games. I don't come here to hear tripe about how great EA is because they are doing their job. I don't say that the garbage stepped up to the plate when he takes away my trash. He supposed to do that. If he didn't, he'd be...well he'd be like EA Sports.
OS has changed and not for the better when they entered the aggreement with whatever Madden site it was that they merged with. It has become nothing more than an EA advertisement since that happened. The preview articles they have run about how excited they were about NCAA and Madden were laughable. Especially the Fact Or Fiction article about this seasons football games. They all claimed this would be the best year ever for football games, they all said they had faith that EA was stepping it up and would deliver. My question to them was what has EA done recently to give you that faith? Every football game they have made for the 360 and PS3 has been a disaster.
 
# 23 indycolts727 @ 07/21/08 08:37 PM
These designers need to be thankful that we're a bunch of sheep. We'll keep getting in line for their products year after year, regardless of what they sold us the year prior. I bought last year's disaster for the PS3, but there I was in line at midnight when this year's game came out, as were about 40 other people at my local store.

In the Real World, consumers aren't as hopeful or blindly-loyal as we are. I'm in sales, and the company I work for has global sales in the multiple billions of dollars annually. Product branding is one of our highest priorities, so we're constantly staying on top of issues and working towards keeping the image of our various brands spotless. The consumers I interact with will hold grudges against this brand or that brand for things that happened to them 20 years ago.

Look in the mirror if you want to see part of who is to blame. We're the ones that keep putting up with this. As long as they can keep getting away with releasing games full of problems do you blame them for not changing things? Process improvement isn't something you can implement overnight - it takes an investment of time and money. As long as the guys running the show see their sales going up and to the right on the chart (i.e. sales growth) why invest in change? Apparently things are working just right.

Indy
 
# 24 rp71284 @ 07/21/08 08:59 PM
Hey you guys know when you go to the main page, the first 4 games in the webpage title are EA made, with the last being NBA 2K9.

I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

(Waits to be censored)

OS is just the EA forums with smarter posters, but same amount of hush hush as the EA boards.
 
# 25 fishepa @ 07/21/08 09:36 PM
LOL. It's a no win situation no matter what the hell anyone does.
 
# 26 Dudd @ 07/21/08 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PlyrzNumber1
Very well said.

I have nothing against Adam and the rest of the EA reps/devs who come here. The problem is with the executives who makes budgeting decisions in favor of massive profits at the expense of the consumer.
I don't even have a problem with that, after all, they do have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to maximize profits. I blame everyone who rushes out and buys the latest game and then act all shocked when it doesn't work. NCAA stopped being a day one purchase for me after last year's abortion of a game, so I waited this year to see if it was improved, and apparently it's not, so I won't be buying it. If enough people take a wait and see approach instead of just giving them their money and then complaining, they'll have to create a good game before they get our sale.
 
# 27 ChubbyBanana @ 07/21/08 09:41 PM
This is a great article. Although there are definitely things wrong with the game, it's great to see the designers are so available to answer questions about the product. I'm sure that even though they catch some flack, they enjoy it as well.
 
# 28 kwanchangkang @ 07/21/08 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by fishepa
LOL. It's a no win situation no matter what the hell anyone does.
You guys barely stopped short of saying this EA developer was on the OS staff.

-Almost 200 words saying how great it is to have him? Check
-Not one, not two, but three links to the forums where this mouthpiece has posted? Check
-Fawning, brown-nosing prose? Check

"Despite this being his first foray into the Operation Sports forums, Mr. Thompson is holding his own and not cracking under the pressure. Sure there are of course questions he won’t be able to answer, but by and large he’s made a concerted effort to answer as many questions as possible in a way that will help those in need."

Who the hell wrote that? A EA P.R. hack? They could not have said it better if it came off a computer at EA HQ.

We're not asking for OS to be biased against EA. If you guys just placed a sticky on the NCAA Football forum telling us who this guy was, nobody would have tripped. But damn, it looks like OS is bending over with no vaseline, quick style for anyone EA sends over here.

What's up with that?
 
# 29 bkrich83 @ 07/21/08 10:49 PM
I love it. For years, people constantly complained about no interaction with EA devs, like we had with SCEA and 2k devs. Now we FINALLY get some EA devs and get some input, and now people are complaining about that.
 
# 30 janglar @ 07/21/08 11:00 PM
Hey, programming video games isn't an exact science. I'm pissed about the roster bug, but I love this year's fast and fluid gameplay. Does anybody have the latest info on the release of the roster patch? Thanks for all the info, peops!
 
# 31 fishepa @ 07/21/08 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bkrich83
I love it. For years, people constantly complained about no interaction with EA devs, like we had with SCEA and 2k devs. Now we FINALLY get some EA devs and get some input, and now people are complaining about that.
Exactly, it's a no win situation. It's pathetic how obsessed people are.
 
# 32 duke776 @ 07/21/08 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bkrich83
I love it. For years, people constantly complained about no interaction with EA devs, like we had with SCEA and 2k devs. Now we FINALLY get some EA devs and get some input, and now people are complaining about that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fishepa
Exactly, it's a no win situation. It's pathetic how obsessed people are.
Agreed
 
# 33 Dudd @ 07/21/08 11:58 PM
Oh please, there is no one in this thread criticizing the EA devs for posting, it's for lavishing praise on them for doing it while glossing over any problems with the game. It's all nice that they're in the forums getting first hand knowledge of all the crippling flaws in their game, but come on, is an article praising them for cracking jokes about Western Kentucky breaking the game anything other than EA ball washing?
 
# 34 bkrich83 @ 07/22/08 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Dudd
Oh please, there is no one in this thread criticizing the EA devs for posting, it's for lavishing praise on them for doing it while glossing over any problems with the game. It's all nice that they're in the forums getting first hand knowledge of all the crippling flaws in their game, but come on, is an article praising them for cracking jokes about Western Kentucky breaking the game anything other than EA ball washing?
There are plenty of people criticizing EA devs for posting. Starting from the first page.

I do love how the same guys who never post come out during EA football release time, every single year and do their best to stir up a hornets nest.
 
# 35 Hurricain @ 07/22/08 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bkrich83
I love it. For years, people constantly complained about no interaction with EA devs, like we had with SCEA and 2k devs. Now we FINALLY get some EA devs and get some input, and now people are complaining about that.

If the game had half the problems it has now then the complaining would be far less.
 
# 36 NC State-31 UNC-27 @ 07/22/08 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bkrich83
There are plenty of people criticizing EA devs for posting. Starting from the first page.

I do love how the same guys who never post come out during EA football release time, every single year and do their best to stir up a hornets nest.
I think it's really iffy at best as to whether people are criticizing them FOR posting. I think at most, people have said "it's their job so why thank them" or "they are getting paid" or "EA should thank the OS community". Many more posts said they were appreciative of it and I really think everyone is.

Of course some people are bitter because the game just came out a week ago and has some problems so you have to expect some people to be negative. But I don't think anyone has said they shouldn't be posting here.

Either way, doesn't matter to me because I love the game and I love the EA team posting here.
 
# 37 thescoop @ 07/22/08 12:29 AM
The roster bug is annoying, but hasn't "killed" the game for me. I for one am happy for Adam being here and he's insights. I'm not happy to wait on starting a dynasty, but i should have known not to buy it day one.

Guys, the article wasn't bad and I don't mind them praising Adam for being here. I don't think it is a blind praise of EA either or them not wanting to admit the games flaws.

Adam explained some things to me in PMs about an issue I was upset about before the game came out and he didn't have to do that. I thank him for that.

As far as being mad the game needs to be patch we all should. I have no problem being mad about that cause I am too, but that seems to be the way all next gen are shaping up these days, NOT just ones by EA

My problem is with the new thought process that most companies have in reguards to releasing a patching games. It is happening far too often. I'm tired of paying more for games that should be released later to get the bugs out......I shouldn't be waiting on patches, and this goes across the board.

Hate to remind you guys, but EA isn't alone in this issue. I remember the biggest next gen disgrace that was MLB 2k6. I couldn't even play a game for a MONTH. Furthermore, EA hasn't been as quite on the issue as 2k was with that game. I'm not giving them a free pass, but at least I CAN play the game. With 2k6 I couldn't.

I'm so far disappointed with next gen as a whole in terms of patches being needed so often. That is the most disappointed thing for me.
 
# 38 kwanchangkang @ 07/22/08 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by fishepa
Exactly, it's a no win situation. It's pathetic how obsessed people are.
Dude, You should go back and read all the posts again. Peeps are not PO'd that EA is finally posting. We are all criticizing the way OS staffers and this website are falling over themselves to praise EA like they just invented sliced bread.

2K games has been posting on the boards for years, but I have never EVER seen them get the full treatment EA has gotten these past few months.

It's been a constant ramp up of EA hype since the SPring. Everytime I log on to the front page, I see another EA puff piece. What the hell happened to OS?

So FISHEPA now your calling your customers 'pathetic' and 'obsessed' heh? That's really great and professional. Are you really a staffer or are you a little brother who is on the wrong computer? I have been a member here since '02 and this is the first time that a Mod has blatantly come out and name-called a whole group of members. Since you can't BAN yourself, I'm guessing you'll ban me. Or delete this post.
 
# 39 kwanchangkang @ 07/22/08 03:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 867-5309
Customer? You are not a customer. You are guest of the forum.

As for the second part, all I can do is laugh. I used to eat little whiners like you for breakfast and still ban 20 more people before I sat down for a bag of donuts for brunch.

2002? Pssh, Rookie.
Who are you? Why am I even acknowledging this post?

Hold my beer...watch this...
 
# 40 iag04ho @ 07/22/08 04:27 AM
Article would have made sense if it went a little something like this

NCAA Designers Step Up to the Plate....refund customers for defective product.
 


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