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Are You Ready for Some (Next-Gen) Football?

All of us were ready for it. Sitting on our couches quickly anticipating the 2005 NFL Draft. However, it was not because of the juniors and seniors waiting to be picked by NFL teams. But because of a promise made by EA, saying that they were going to debut a trailer that would represent what they were aiming for with the next generation of consoles. With the new power of consoles, fans of Madden and NCAA eagerly awaited the new iterations that would be debuting with each new sports season. But did the new versions succeed? Let's take a look as to what these games bring to the table in this new era of gaming.

It is now 3 years later and with that trailer in the past, we have also transcended into the “next-gen” of consoles and gaming. However, these last 3 years not only brought games, but also confusion and disgust with the new football games that had been released every year (with the exception of NCAA which debuted with the 07 version).

These “new” versions of Madden and NCAA bewildered all of the OSers as it seemed the once heralded franchises had taken several steps back. For NCAA: No FCS teams, repetitive commentary that seemed to have been recycled from last-gen, the absence of pre and half time shows, and even no referee animation with penalties. As for Madden: No commentary at all, numerous bugs that made franchise unplayable, virtually no presentation along with no use of the ESPN license, and the same robotic sidelines that had been seen since Madden 2001. Why is it that with the leap into the next-gen of gaming, the developers decided to take away features and items that had been in the previous versions of these games?

The producers of these games explained that they had just wanted to focus on the core gameplay aspect and to not be concerned with any sort of fluff that some games only try to perfect. When focusing on the gameplay, the producers of these games introduced new features and innovations to the game in order to help provide a genuine next-gen experience. However, these new features and innovations were nothing new at all. They were just old news because they had already been on the last-gen versions of Madden and NCAA. It is such a shame that as fans of these games, we have to get excited about features that should have been in the game since day one.

But have the games certainly improved with each new version? I believe that they have and they are certainly headed in the right direction. The 09 versions of these games are each promising 60 fps for both the PS3 and Xbox 360, and with the “new” addition of play by play commentary in Madden, it seems as though the producers are really listening to the fans in order to improve their games.

There is one game that I have failed to mention when discussing the football games of next-gen. A new football game by the name of Backbreaker is being developed with the euphoria engine by the company NaturalMotion. This engine has been seen lately with the release of Grand Theft Auto IV and may finally push animation into the next-gen phase. This euphoria engine cuts away from the standard motion capture animations that sports games have always used in the past and uses physics to determine the way objects move. With the release of Backbreaker, gamers may finally have a glimpse as to what football games may look like in the future thanks to the euphoria engine.

So have the football games finally transcended into next-gen gaming? Sadly no, as many of us would agree that there has not been a substantial move forward in order to believe we are in the next-gen. But something to look forward to is the new euphoria engine that will debut in a sports game with Backbreaker. Perhaps EA will think about acquiring this physics engine to use with Madden and NCAA 2010 and make an even further advancement towards a next-gen experience with football.

For more info on Backbreaker, check out our own Matt Blumenthal's preview.


Member Comments
# 1 ManiacMatt1782 @ 05/13/08 02:34 PM
I am ready for a next gen football game because i havent actually seen one yet
 
# 2 yamabushi @ 05/13/08 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ManiacMatt1782
I am ready for a next gen football game because i havent actually seen one yet
Agreed.
I thank we wont see a 'next-gen' game until the NFL license is no longer an exclusive.
 
# 3 DaveDQ @ 05/13/08 04:51 PM
Backbreaker will be heralded for it's use of Euphoria but most likely shredded by gamers who have yet to learn to relax their anticipation and expectation for these games.

I enjoy playing Madded, but it's the same engine that past-gen had. Quite honestly, the company to hold more accountable is 2K Sports. They have flubbed baseball, half-assed their All-Pro Football title, and basically polished up the NBA 2K series. We love to remember the days of ESPN NFL 2K5, but if we use that guage for Madden, why not use it for 2K Sports in general? They have tripped over themselves far too many times in the next-gen arena.
 
# 4 yamabushi @ 05/13/08 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dQbell
Backbreaker will be heralded for it's use of Euphoria but most likely shredded by gamers who have yet to learn to relax their anticipation and expectation for these games.

I enjoy playing Madded, but it's the same engine that past-gen had. Quite honestly, the company to hold more accountable is 2K Sports. They have flubbed baseball, half-assed their All-Pro Football title, and basically polished up the NBA 2K series. We love to remember the days of ESPN NFL 2K5, but if we use that guage for Madden, why not use it for 2K Sports in general? They have tripped over themselves far too many times in the next-gen arena.
I really dont know what you mean by that, they either put out a good game of football or they dont.
 
# 5 ewto16 @ 05/13/08 06:06 PM
Next-gen football has yet to arrive unles you count a stripped down, but shiny version of Madden 05 that EA continues to pass of as next-gen Madden 08/09.

Madden hasn't done anything next-gen except regress.
 
# 6 DaveDQ @ 05/13/08 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by yamabushi
I really dont know what you mean by that, they either put out a good game of football or they dont.
What I mean is that the use of Euphoria will open some eyes to what the possibilities are for football, but I think many will bash it because it doesn't live up to their expectations. Backbreaker is something to look forward to. I would like to see what else they have besides Euphoria and some different camera angles. Right now the game looks very generic.
 
# 7 yamabushi @ 05/13/08 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dQbell
What I mean is that the use of Euphoria will open some eyes to what the possibilities are for football, but I think many will bash it because it doesn't live up to their expectations. Backbreaker is something to look forward to. I would like to see what else they have besides Euphoria and some different camera angles. Right now the game looks very generic.
I agree that a Euphoria based football game would be exciting, but I think most people have pretty low expectations for this game. If the game ever hits, and thats a really big if, Im not expecting much past an 11 on 11 NFL Blitz.
 
# 8 buttsakk @ 05/13/08 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by yamabushi
Agreed.
I thank we wont see a 'next-gen' game until the NFL license is no longer an exclusive.
Soo... Never.
 
# 9 spankdatazz22 @ 05/13/08 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dQbell
Backbreaker will be heralded for it's use of Euphoria but most likely shredded by gamers who have yet to learn to relax their anticipation and expectation for these games.

I enjoy playing Madded, but it's the same engine that past-gen had. Quite honestly, the company to hold more accountable is 2K Sports. They have flubbed baseball, half-assed their All-Pro Football title, and basically polished up the NBA 2K series. We love to remember the days of ESPN NFL 2K5, but if we use that guage for Madden, why not use it for 2K Sports in general? They have tripped over themselves far too many times in the next-gen arena.
You seem willing to place expectations on APF that you admit shouldn't be placed on Backbreaker. And I agree, Backbreaker a lot shouldn't be expected of Backbreaker.

It's 2K's fault when they had the huge disadvantage of trying to develop a new football universe [essentially] from scratch? It's the same challenge Backbreaker will have. 2K made a lot of mistakes with APF - but why ignore where it succeeded, despite it's disadvantages (it was a better playing game than Madden or NCAA last year). And without the benefit of established NFL teams, and current players that most people identify with. Doesn't seem to make sense to be able to compare licensed Madden and NCAA games in their 2nd/3rd years to a non-licensed game APF in it's 1st. The NBA2K series has progressively gotten better with each next gen iteration, with 2K8 being the best NBA game to date. Same with College Hoops. MLB2K6 sucked just as bad if not worse than Madden '06 360, but I don't think it's that difficult to argue MLB2K8 is a better baseball game than Madden '08 is a football game. From what I understand the hockey game may not be spectacular, but it's at least good/solid.

Kudos to OS for finally wrting something on the quality lacking in next gen football. Unfortunately many gamers see the situation as hopeless and are unwilling to take a principled stand
 
# 10 DaveDQ @ 05/13/08 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22
You seem willing to place expectations on APF that you admit shouldn't be placed on Backbreaker. And I agree, Backbreaker a lot shouldn't be expected of Backbreaker.

It's 2K's fault when they had the huge disadvantage of trying to develop a new football universe [essentially] from scratch? It's the same challenge Backbreaker will have. 2K made a lot of mistakes with APF - but why ignore where it succeeded, despite it's disadvantages (it was a better playing game than Madden or NCAA last year). And without the benefit of established NFL teams, and current players that most people identify with. Doesn't seem to make sense to be able to compare licensed Madden and NCAA games in their 2nd/3rd years to a non-licensed game APF in it's 1st. The NBA2K series has progressively gotten better with each next gen iteration, with 2K8 being the best NBA game to date. Same with College Hoops. MLB2K6 sucked just as bad if not worse than Madden '06 360, but I don't think it's that difficult to argue MLB2K8 is a better baseball game than Madden '08 is a football game. From what I understand the hockey game may not be spectacular, but it's at least good/solid.

Kudos to OS for finally wrting something on the quality lacking in next gen football. Unfortunately many gamers see the situation as hopeless and are unwilling to take a principled stand
In comparing what the two companies have done with sports gaming, I have to give the nod to EA Sports. 2K Sports has included the online league features in their games for some time, but they are still bug ridden with much of the same problems. Sure, you could say, "well at least they have had leagues" but the 2K online league system is broken and has never been running at 100 percent.

If you look at the MLB 2K series, from 06 to 08, the game shows no signs of progress towards reaching a "next generation" feel. Even still, many of the new features touted as next-gen are broken.

I'm upset with what 2K Sports has done in the last 3 years because I feel they could have done better. Again, after NFL 2K5 and all that it brought to the table, you'd think by now their sports games would be popping with innovative features and offering that special something that NFL 2K5 gave. That's just not the case.
 
# 11 spankdatazz22 @ 05/14/08 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dQbell
In comparing what the two companies have done with sports gaming, I have to give the nod to EA Sports.
Your perogative. But imo expecting APF to be a logical progression of 2K5 makes next to no sense. It's like you're totally ignoring the difficulty of trying to establish a league most people can't identify with. Your argument seems to be more about where 2K has failed or wasn't perfect, and not about where EA has succeeded. Guess it's good that EA had the benefit of being able to come with online leagues four years after they were introduced (989 was doing them years previously too). I think it's foolish to have the same expectations of a non-licensed title versus an NFL/NCAA licensed title, but it seems like you didn't have the same expectations, you expected more from the unlicensed title. Something as basic as player interaction, QB play, OL/DL play, etc... are all still issues four years into next gen. EA has the exclusives, but it's 2K's fault next gen football is in the state it's in... yeah, that makes sense.

As far as the MLB argument, most people admit that the new gameplay mechanics introduced work well. The game's issues are still somewhat significant from a quality control standpoint (game freezing) or the complaints some have about the graphics (doesn't have the graphical fidelity of last year's game).
 
# 12 spankdatazz22 @ 05/14/08 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jeetaa6

what fooled me into buying Madden last year were the great reviews it received by all the gaming sites.
Sites like IGN and TeamXBox need to be held accountable for their reviews. Year in and year out they rate the game high, then backtrack the following year. TeamXBox laughably said Madden's gameplay was a "9.8" last year. With all the trouble sites like Gamespot (w/Ubisoft) and Gametrailers (comparison video debacle) has had, I don't know why anyone would trust those big sites' opinions
 
# 13 burnwood @ 05/14/08 02:25 AM
Let's not forget XSN sports by Microsoft. Their online league system was top notch and it was across ALL their sports titles. Technologies like this just die for some reason.

EA should be held more accountable. They make the most revenue, the most profits, and have the most market share and, at the time, the number one publisher. Dangling that next gen video during the 05 draft still brings to mind a lot of disappointment for this football gaming fan.
 
# 14 DaveDQ @ 05/14/08 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by spankdatazz22
Your perogative. But imo expecting APF to be a logical progression of 2K5 makes next to no sense. It's like you're totally ignoring the difficulty of trying to establish a league most people can't identify with. Your argument seems to be more about where 2K has failed or wasn't perfect, and not about where EA has succeeded. Guess it's good that EA had the benefit of being able to come with online leagues four years after they were introduced (989 was doing them years previously too). I think it's foolish to have the same expectations of a non-licensed title versus an NFL/NCAA licensed title, but it seems like you didn't have the same expectations, you expected more from the unlicensed title. Something as basic as player interaction, QB play, OL/DL play, etc... are all still issues four years into next gen. EA has the exclusives, but it's 2K's fault next gen football is in the state it's in... yeah, that makes sense.

As far as the MLB argument, most people admit that the new gameplay mechanics introduced work well. The game's issues are still somewhat significant from a quality control standpoint (game freezing) or the complaints some have about the graphics (doesn't have the graphical fidelity of last year's game).
What should be a logical progression from NFL 2K5 is to polish the cross title features they use. 2K sports has been doing leagues for several years now. I've been involved with them for every year they have been there. I'm currently involved in an 82 game MLB 2K8 online league. I can tell you the leagues have made zero improvements. In fact, they are more bug ridden than ever. From the inability to heal injured players, to stats not reporting properly, yes, they have leagues but this far into it, they should be a lot better.

I understand the limitations of APF. It's just my opinion that at the time, 2K Sports had an opportunity to show us what football on a game console could look like. I just don't think they took advantage of the opportunity.
 
# 15 allBthere @ 05/14/08 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dQbell
In comparing what the two companies have done with sports gaming, I have to give the nod to EA Sports. 2K Sports has included the online league features in their games for some time, but they are still bug ridden with much of the same problems. Sure, you could say, "well at least they have had leagues" but the 2K online league system is broken and has never been running at 100 percent.

If you look at the MLB 2K series, from 06 to 08, the game shows no signs of progress towards reaching a "next generation" feel. Even still, many of the new features touted as next-gen are broken.

I'm upset with what 2K Sports has done in the last 3 years because I feel they could have done better. Again, after NFL 2K5 and all that it brought to the table, you'd think by now their sports games would be popping with innovative features and offering that special something that NFL 2K5 gave. That's just not the case.
the big gameplay success of EA is in their NHL line, and Skate (and to a debateable extent - fight night). Everything else has been stagnant or is terrible imo (nba).

2k's big success to me is Top Spin (3 looks great so far too), and NBA, also the bigs was a nice suprise (and I actually like apf)- everything else has been ok, i don't agree with you about mlb..the last two are pretty good imo. hockey is regressing though.
 
# 16 BlyGilmore @ 05/14/08 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jeetaa6
i agree in giving kudos to OS for saying what fans have been saying for a few years now. next gen has been bottom line disappointing for footballers.

what fooled me into buying Madden last year were the great reviews it received by all the gaming sites. who are these people? are they mainly FPS gamers who play Madden for 15 minutes and get paid to jot a review down based on that 15 minutes? this year, i'm waiting for you all (the OS members) to provide your thoughts on the football games before i shell out any $$ (although we may all be waiting for each other to provide feedback before each of us buy)!! . i've come to realize that waiting a bit and reviewing actual user reviews is MUCH more beneficial than the gaming site employees who don't have a clue about football. i'll also do a search on youtube for "Madden glitches" first.

anyway, here's to hoping for at least one knockout football game this year...between Madden, NCAA, and Backbreaker. PLEASE!!
this is one of the reasons OS is here. we're sports gamers who write to sports gamers about sports gaming. we aren't FPS guys, MMO guys or anything like that. and we don't have any other motive beyond writing for our audience and giving our honest opinion on a topic or game.
 
# 17 mercalnd @ 05/14/08 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by allBthere
the big gameplay success of EA is in their NHL line, and Skate (and to a debateable extent - fight night). Everything else has been stagnant or is terrible imo (nba).
FIFA has made some huge strides as well lately.
 
# 18 jdrhammer @ 05/14/08 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ManiacMatt1782
I am ready for a next gen football game because i havent actually seen one yet
I think this is why I've been so pissed the past couple of versions. I just went next gen with 08 but I was so hyped for 07 on the PS3( and the console wasn't even ready) that I haven't been as into it, and have been bitter as hell. I don't think this year's version will be what it takes to forget the bad either.
 
# 19 spankdatazz22 @ 05/14/08 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dQbell
What should be a logical progression from NFL 2K5 is to polish the cross title features they use. 2K sports has been doing leagues for several years now. I've been involved with them for every year they have been there. I'm currently involved in an 82 game MLB 2K8 online league. I can tell you the leagues have made zero improvements. In fact, they are more bug ridden than ever. From the inability to heal injured players, to stats not reporting properly, yes, they have leagues but this far into it, they should be a lot better.

I understand the limitations of APF. It's just my opinion that at the time, 2K Sports had an opportunity to show us what football on a game console could look like. I just don't think they took advantage of the opportunity.
You'd know the leagues better than I would because I don't belong to one. My view of MLB2K8 wasn't of that one aspect though. I guess we'll see what EA does when they implement leagues this year. I would think an attempt to implement leagues, even if they didn't reach their goal, is better than no attempt at all.

And I agree w/you regarding APF - it was a lost opportunity. I still think you have to factor in the extenuating circumstances the exclusivity situation brought about. It's not like they immediately moved on to working full bore on a unlicensed game immediately after the news was announced. Early last year before APF was announced we were still debating what was the best route to go - high school, USFL, Candadian league, XFL, etc... All were being thrown around as candidates. In retrospect it probably would've been better had 2K dedicated time to delivering a more fully fleshed out next gen title. An unlicensed game is a huge risk - and it's not likely they were going to throw a lot of resources at it. It's like me tying one hand behind your back and expecting you to do more work than you were with two hands. I don't understand how anyone could have unrealistically high expectations given they lost the NFL, NCAA, and ESPN licenses.

EA to this day still hasn't implemented ESPN in any tangible fashion in their games. And most people just accept they aren't going to. Moving to next gen was also a lost opportunity for Tiburon to implement a truly next gen engine - instead we got focus on graphics and arenas. The titles are slowly coming around though. I still find it surprising some are willing to show so much patience for the EA football titles, and so little patience for APF when it was working from a disadvantage. There's no way Backbreaker, NCAA, Madden, and APF should all have the same expectation level - let alone the unlicensed games actually having more expected of them
 
# 20 beau21 @ 05/14/08 03:17 PM
if EA really cared about progress, then yes.. then would:

- implement the Euphoria engine for Madden and NCAA 2010
- add (at least one of the following): pregame/halftime/postgame shows
- integrate the ESPN license to make me feel like it's an ESPN broadast
- add "old gen" features like create-a-team, create-a-play, etc.

that's a realistic start...
 

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