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The Three Best and Worst Things We Know About MLB The Show 17

As we attempt to wait patiently for March 28 to finally get here so we can dive into MLB The Show 17 ourselves and see how this year’s game measures up, we’ve been treated to the usual series of developer streams in the meantime to whet our appetite ahead of its release. While it may be impossible to gauge the game’s components without actually holding a controller in our hands and feeling how things actually play, that’s not going to stop us from making some snap judgments based on everything that we’ve seen so far. Here are the three best and worst things we’ve noticed in our initial impressions of the highly anticipated release.

The Good

Ball Physics

From everything we’ve seen and heard so far, it looks as if we will have considerably more dynamic and unique balls flying off the bats in The Show this year. With claims that there are literally thousands of types of hits to be found and that we could even play the game for a full year and still be seeing new types of hits that we haven’t witnessed yet, it’s apparent that a lot of work has been done in this department.

That means we will get balls curving down the line instead of the straight path we’ve become accustomed to seeing, and Texas Leaguer bloops that are destined to be exciting when they happen for us and absolutely infuriating when they happen against us. It seems like there might actually even be balls hit down the line that carom awkwardly off the wall and go as the doubles they would realistically be rather than bouncing right to outfielders for long singles as they frustratingly have done in the past.



Humanity AI

There are few moments more maddening in The Show than when your shortstop fields a ball hit by a speedy player and proceeds to take his sweet time getting the ball over to first to throw him out, allowing the batter to reach base safely. Finally, it looks as if those days might be over with the introduction of humanity AI that will see fielders recognize who is running down the line and react with a corresponding amount of alacrity in getting the ball to first base.

On the other hand, the same feature hopes to rectify the perfect lines computer fielders would often take in getting to the ball, as if they were aware ahead of time of the exact spot the ball would end up. This should mean more realistic responses from sub-par fielders that result in fielders sometimes taking poor angles to balls that end up going over their heads or falling in front of them -- where in previous years they would routinely vacuum up every ball they had even just the slightest chance of reaching.

Reliever Fatigue And Playing Out Of Position

It often seems as if making a version of The Show that’s suitable for online play is a constant battle in staying one step ahead of the ploys some people will use in order to win games. One of the most popular moves from those trying to take advantage of the system is bringing in a dominant reliever like Aroldis Chapman or Andrew Miller as early as the 6th or 7th and pitching him for 2 or 3 innings because the consequences of doing so weren’t exactly dire. This year, however, promises to be different as pushing a pitcher beyond his stamina should result in either hitting the batter, throwing a pitch outside the strike zone or a meatball right down the heart of the plate.

Another tactic used by many that value winning over sportsmanship was playing someone outside of a position they typically play because the loss in fielding ability was not as severe as it should have been. But this will be something that can’t be exploited this year, as we have learned the penalty for playing someone out of position will be much worse than it has been in the past. So there should be no more plugging A-Rod in behind the plate as catcher and not suffering the consequences.



The Bad


Retro Mode

I’m sure there’s an audience out there for Retro Mode, but I’m just not as certain that I am in that group. Likely designed to try and draw new fans to the game that played baseball video games in the past but find jumping into The Show to be a little bit intimidating, it’s hard not to see Retro Mode for exactly what it is -- a step into the past rather than a look ahead to the future. If stripping the game down to its barest essentials in an attempt to conjure some nostalgia hardly seems like a capital crime, you'd be safe in that assumption. Still, I would be more interested in seeing them invest their time in something more unique than this mode that's been tried in other sports games with limited success.

Now it’s entirely possible that I will be eating these words once I’ve given Retro Mode a chance and all those memories of Ken Griffey Jr. Presents Major League Baseball come flooding back, but I’m willing to bet those of us who buy The Show year after year hoping for progression rather than regression will be left scratching our heads wondering why this was even a thing in the first place.

Diamond Dynasty Pitcher Handedness Mystery

Yes, it’s obviously annoying to play against teams in Diamond Dynasty who immediately back out of a game once they find out they are facing a left-handed pitcher, but removing the ability to see whether you are facing a lefty or righty can’t help but come across as a counterproductive way to resolve this issue. Wouldn’t it make more sense to simply punish anyone who abandons a game when they find out they don’t match up well with the opposition with a loss rather than re-work the entire system in such a way that flies in the face of how one prepares for a baseball game?

What this does is remove any possibility of having platoons at any given position that can be deployed depending on who is pitching. Ask any baseball manager out there and they will tell you it’s imperative to know the pitcher you are facing before filling out the lineup card. This will naturally lead to teams stacking their roster with switch hitters and their rotation with lefties when they could just as easily allow us to build two separate lineups to remedy the problem instead. As you can see, there were a few different ways this legitimate issue could have been fixed, but the way they decided to do it just feels too much like they punished the people who were playing the game the right way.

Bunt Cheesing



While it would be nice to believe that The Show has solved its bunt cheesing problem once and for all and eliminated online players exploiting the game by being able to bunt their way on base with far more frequency than they realistically should, the streams simply haven’t done quite enough h to alleviate fears among the community. In one of the first streams that offered a sneak peek at the game, an attempt to show how the game has improved in this department sadly led to unskilled bunter Willson Contreras still being able to bunt for a hit more often than not. The Show team quickly went into damage control, insisting that this was largely because fastballs were being thrown right down the middle, but it did little to convince everyone that all of the problems have been solved.

It seems like it should be simple enough for The Show team to put to bed one of the biggest gripes the online community had about the game last year, but the fact that they haven’t done this yet is understandably making people feel a little uneasy. Hilariously, their last attempt to show off how bunting had been suitably nerfed led to the game completely freezing. Given the fact that so many people complained about this problem, and attention has clearly been paid to making sure the issue is no longer as glaring as it was last year, it’s more than likely we’ll find out it wasn’t worth really worrying about. However, until we can see hard evidence of the results of bunting being decidedly different than they were a year ago, we’ll unfortunately just have to reserve judgment for the time being.


Member Comments
# 21 Caulfield @ 03/10/17 07:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by timisone
Couldn't we just play an old baseball game if we wanted retro mode? .
You could but I bet Show 17 is the best old baseball game out there. So why not play it, and dont have to hook up another console to do it.
 
# 22 countryboy @ 03/10/17 07:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by timisone
Couldn't we just play an old baseball game if we wanted retro mode? I don't understand the appeal, I remember when madden did this. It lasted one year.


Absolutely.

But you couldn't play an old baseball game with the new ball physics


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# 23 mlblover15 @ 03/10/17 07:36 PM
MLB Network and Show cast!!! hands down oh and of course individual hitter vs pitcher stats!!! great work SCEA...yoi ALWAYS show us that your listening... thank you, thank you and thank you.
 
# 24 timisone @ 03/10/17 07:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArchitectsMetalcore
The introduction of retro mode pretty much summarizes the priorities of this company right now and that is to create a more accessible game for the majority of the community.

I don't care if it took them one day or 5 minutes to create the mode. They sat down in their meeting, realized they can't expand the team, so they resorted to creating a new mode for the sake of having something new. Instead of using those days on fixing pitching motions, fixing jerseys, fixing grass, they felt the need to go retro. Lets not forget about shifting priorities towards DD because we all know that is where the money is. Who is to blame them though? I would have done the same thing.
I agree to a point, but at one time they were developing for 2 systems, Vita and Ps4.

Maybe we will get lucky and all of ours asking for things will be patched into the game. Here is hoping. Madden did it last year, so who knows. I miss you 2k.
 
# 25 Vmascarello @ 03/10/17 08:06 PM
Best
1. Stadium Tagging - love the idea of commentary saying where the ball lands such as Lansdowne St
2. Situational stats - dynamic batter vs. pitcher stats in Franchise
3. Player Quirks
Honorable mention - Player faces upgraded, ball physics, Top Prospect list, Critical Situations, MLB network integration, Showcast stats

**Maybe Pave the Path will make the list, still waiitng for more info.

Things I dont care about
1. DD navigation upgrades
2. Quick Manage
3. Retro Mode

After going back through all the SCEA streams, they made alot more upgrades than I perceived. This is going to be an awesome release. San Diego Studios on their game as usual.
 
# 26 2ndBase @ 03/10/17 08:59 PM
Good
1. Ball physics
2. Body types
3. Better faces

Bad
1. Cap side logo
2. Cap side logo
3. No Tiger Stadium
 
# 27 echotripper76 @ 03/10/17 09:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArchitectsMetalcore
The introduction of retro mode pretty much summarizes the priorities of this company right now and that is to create a more accessible game for the majority of the community.

I don't care if it took them one day or 5 minutes to create the mode. They sat down in their meeting, realized they can't expand the team, so they resorted to creating a new mode for the sake of having something new. Instead of using those days on fixing pitching motions, fixing jerseys, fixing grass, they felt the need to go retro. Lets not forget about shifting priorities towards DD because we all know that is where the money is. Who is to blame them though? I would have done the same thing.
Actually, if you consider that with Retro mode (similar to the RBI baseball games released the past couple years) and Quick Manage/sim options (similar to OOTP baseball), the team at SDS is doing a smart thing by appealing to more players, drawing them in (creating more revenue) which can then be used to apply towards more franchise options for future iterations of the game. I find it extremely unlikely that they would highlight an area they do not intend to improve in the coming years. In fact, they have followed this line of thinking before with DD and RTTS.

Of course I would like more franchise based improvements, but I am willing to wait till next year. Besides, there is so much to love with what we have seen in the vids so far. Ball physics and quirks alone are going to enhance franchise mode!
 
# 28 cepwin @ 03/11/17 11:47 AM
I pretty much agree with your assessment. I'm not so sure that retro mode is a negative..what I will say is I doubt I'll be playing it.
 
# 29 Caulfield @ 03/11/17 12:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2ndBase

Bad
1. Cap side logo
2. Cap side logo
I hate it too. You would think Manfred would have had some input with New Era.
I hope the cap isnt the tip of the iceberg and baseball uniforms dont turn into NASCAR uniforms.
I know thats a huge leap, and probably wont happen, but I also never thought caps would become billboards for New Era. For 25 years New Era has been a fine steward of the game but now I'm afraid their bottom line visually negatively affects MLB's on-field product.
And THAT is on Manfred, AFAIC
 
# 30 baseballsim @ 03/11/17 01:21 PM
I think removing Diamond Dynasty Pitcher Handedness in the matchup screen could turn out to be a good thing and provide some interesting new strategy. As it is now, a lot of cards like Winfield and Schmidt are never being used. This change should also give lefty SPs like Sale, Bumgarner, etc. more value.

How many teams actually really relied on these one-dimensional platoon cards throughout an entire year anyways? One should still be able to use these cards. Just protect them in the lineup. With all of the great diamond cards available, you shouldn't have to rely on too many platoons in your lineup to begin with.

What could possibly be bad about a Retro mode?
 
# 31 oilersfan99 @ 03/11/17 03:45 PM
To me the ball physics and player models are top of the list of good. Followed by the ease of play for new players bringing in, hopefully a whole lot of new players which can never be bad.

I don't see much that I don't like. I don't play franchise so that doesn't bother me and I'll check out retro for some nostalgia but won't play it much but I'm happy that the team will try every year to bring in new player and new stream of revenue to help make the game better and better.

Can't wait for the game to drop

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# 32 MetsFan16 @ 03/11/17 09:17 PM
Best:

1. Ball Physics. After playing '16 since they showed these off, I find myself saying "in '17 those hits will do this, not just stay straight!"

2. Improved Faces and Body Sliders

3. DD Seasons and RTTS PYP

Worst:

1. Retro Mode

2. Little done to Franchise

3. That's all I got
 
# 33 HypoLuxa13 @ 03/11/17 09:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MetsFan16
After playing '16 since they showed these off, I find myself saying "in '17 those hits will do this
This. I've played a lot of RttS the past couple days and have been thinking the exact same thing. "In 17 that one will probably hook foul." OR "in 17 that one would have more top spin and might fall fall in for a hit."


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# 34 TripleCrown9 @ 03/11/17 09:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigOscar
Best

1) Ball Physics
2) Ball Physics
3) Ball Physics

Worst

1) Retro Mode, waste of time and space that could have been used for other things.
2) Franchise Mode being dumbed down, with veteran players seemingly being taken for granted with very limited change in core mechanics.
3) Increase in Online only stuff in DD.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rkocjay
Best

1) Ball physics any addition of improved ball physics is great for any sports game
2) MLB network presentation
3) commentary

Worst
1) retro mode- could of put there focus on other modes more
2) franchise mode - not much was added but hopefully things were improved
3) MLB the show seems to be going towards DD more. Even in there Offline franchise stream they seem more excited to show DD Legends then the actual franchise stream.



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So what you rather have had them do in the time (less than a day) it took to implement Retro Mode?
 
# 35 rkocjay @ 03/11/17 09:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleCrown9
So what you rather have had them do in the time (less than a day) it took to implement Retro Mode?
In that one day could of added the speed ability of the man at second base. That was not me complaining just contributing to the post

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# 36 Archie56 @ 03/11/17 09:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleCrown9
So what you rather have had them do in the time (less than a day) it took to implement Retro Mode?
My thoughts exactly. Lol

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# 37 TripleCrown9 @ 03/11/17 09:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2ndBase
Good
1. Ball physics
2. Body types
3. Better faces

Bad
1. Cap side logo
2. Cap side logo
3. No Tiger Stadium
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caulfield
I hate it too. You would think Manfred would have had some input with New Era.
I hope the cap isnt the tip of the iceberg and baseball uniforms dont turn into NASCAR uniforms.
I know thats a huge leap, and probably wont happen, but I also never thought caps would become billboards for New Era. For 25 years New Era has been a fine steward of the game but now I'm afraid their bottom line visually negatively affects MLB's on-field product.
And THAT is on Manfred, AFAIC
Oh no, it's such a distraction and takes away so much from the overall aesthetic of the uniform...

Spoiler
 
# 38 2ndBase @ 03/12/17 12:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caulfield
I hate it too. You would think Manfred would have had some input with New Era.
I hope the cap isnt the tip of the iceberg and baseball uniforms dont turn into NASCAR uniforms.
I know thats a huge leap, and probably wont happen, but I also never thought caps would become billboards for New Era. For 25 years New Era has been a fine steward of the game but now I'm afraid their bottom line visually negatively affects MLB's on-field product.
And THAT is on Manfred, AFAIC

I hope it has the "New Coke" effect driving the demand for the classic look. Fingers crossed The Show doesn't include the logo on the throw back caps.
 
# 39 2ndBase @ 03/12/17 12:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleCrown9
Oh no, it's such a distraction and takes away so much from the overall aesthetic of the uniform...

Spoiler

Just wait until Under Armor puts their logo on the uniform chest in 2020. The Show has to do what MLB does but Manifred has made it clear the MLB is open for bu$$iness. I'm trying to just enjoy the game of baseball, this is such a great time of year, but the signage creep is yucky.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...azgv7tx_RZUCkA
 
# 40 Blzer @ 03/12/17 12:39 AM
I may be wrong, but I think the game froze in the Twitch stream when they missed the bunt because they turned on some sort of "automatic contact" widget, yet they missed.

Maybe it was something else, I don't know.
 


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