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PES 2017: Everything We'd Like to See Added

With Pro Evolution Soccer (PES) 2016 being out for over six months, it’s time to compile our annual “PES Wishlist” for the upcoming release, PES 2017. After spending countless hours playing and scouring the internet, we’ve experienced the good, bad and ugly that PES 2016 offers. With eyes towards the future, let’s have a look at some key features we’d like to see added and/or improved upon for 2017.

Note – this isn’t an “end-all-be-all” list but rather a high-level rundown of some of common issues plaguing PES 2016 and where we’d like to see the game go in future iterations.

 
Gameplay

PES has always been about gameplay first and everything else next. With that being said, let’s dive right in:


Referees/Fouls/Collision System – Simply put, the referees and foul system is broken in PES 2016. The lack of fouls and enforcement by referees creates an environment (offline & online) plagued by an aggressive charging-in-at-all costs philosophy. Referees need to be tuned to the Collision System (M.A.S.S. Engine) in order to give us the realism we crave.

Keepers – Another sore spot in 2016. Keepers need more animations (shuffling of feet for example) as well as current animations sped up to deal with over-exaggerated shot power.

AI Defending – AI defending can be head scratching at times and downright infuriating at others. Ball watching, especially on through balls, often lead to 1-v-1’s with attackers and your keeper. While the AI does a good job at cutting down angles, the inability to deal with through balls leaves your back line vulnerable and your keeper in hopeless situations.

Animations – Animations need to be cleaned up to address warping and other inconsistencies. While some animations play in appropriate speeds, others are slowed down and can cause you to lose possession when combined with an aggressive opponent who doesn’t fear repercussions (see foul issue referenced above).

Tactics/Player Ratings/Stats – Tactics have become simplified since PES 2014, and with the inclusion of Fluid Formations need to be blown out and expanded upon if they want to truly represent modern football. Player ratings need to be more exact and not rounded off to the nearest “.5” while player individual stats need to be tracked in a more advanced fashion.
 

 
Modes

Master League (ML) - PES 2016 promised a completely redesigned Master League, but all really got were a few User Interface (UI) graphical overhauls, a better but not great transfer system remodel and some advanced team stats. Master League needs to go to the next level and continue to build out the mode that was once the best in the business. A better transfer system with more realistic transfer fees, as well a detailed transfer log, would go a long way in enticing gamers to jump back into ML.

Youth Academy (YA)PES’ Youth Academy compared to FIFA’s is vastly subpar. To start, every club within ML starts out with the same roster, no matter if you are FC Barcelona or Leeds United. Scouting needs to be added where you can actively build up your YA in hopes of creating the next La Masia.

Manager Carousel – Both games sorely need a Managerial Carousel that would see managers change jobs, and in turn change formations, transfer logic and player development. A game in 2008 by 2K had this, why doesn’t a soccer game in 2016?

Become a Legend (BAL) – Once my favorite mode, this feature has become stale and could use an overhaul. If the mode could include more stats, training (drills and matches), and also make wages mean something those would be positive steps. The ability to simulate to the end of a match when subbed off would also be a nice addition.

Online – The aforementioned issue with keepers was magnified at the time of PES 2016’s release because keepers were not set to Top Player online. When compounded with a lack of fouls, poor matchmaking servers (peer-to-peer) and the ever-present lag made for an inconsistent online experience. All around, the online platform needs to be improved.

MyClub – This relatively new mode can be a little overwhelming at first, even the tutorial can seem complex. Once you get a hold of it, you will notice that contracts are way too expensive. Edit mode within MyClub would also be a nice addition to help customize your club/players. A “Marketplace” type of environment could be explored as well.

 
Other (Presentation/Graphics/Audio/Edit Mode/Licenses)

Presentation - Presentation in PES 2016 is still a weak point despite some minor improvements this year. The lack of in-game immersion in the form of stat overlays is noticeably absent. Also absent are the abundance of stadiums, a strong point of PES 2013 that featured every La Liga stadium. Replays have long needed an overhaul, as they are outdated and unrealistic when compared to what's sees on TV.

Graphics – Soccer games suffer from a lack of balance in graphics as most people utilize a camera angle that allows them to see the majority of the field. This preferred view inevitably takes away from the excellent face scans. The crowd visuals have been enhanced but could still use some improvement in terms of variety. The graphics noticeably take a hit during night fixtures as the lighting can be a little off. In addition, shadows on the pitch at certain stadiums can make playing matches seizure-inducing.

Audio – With Peter Drury being introduced for 2016, the excitement for commentary has been ratcheted up, but it still suffers from inadequacy in terms of the total number of lines and the context in which they relate to what’s happening on the pitch. Crowd chants are also hit or miss and could use the re-introduction of crowd chant slots.

Edit Mode – First and foremost, the ability to have option files needs to be included for the Xbox One. An online roster share would benefit users of both systems and eliminate the need for downloading files from what can be suspicious sites at times. Slot distribution needs to be addressed as well. Last year, the number of slots for manager faces far exceeded those allocated for kits and emblems. This was an egregious oversight by Konami’s QC department.

Licenses – More please! With second divisions added, Konami has attempted to bridge the gap between them and their competitors over at EA. They still lag way behind in European licenses as it seems their attention has been focused on the South American and Asian markets. Konami needs to either acquire more licenses or create more fake leagues across Europe AND North America to compensate for “shallow” pockets.


As you can see, the wishlist for PES 2017 is extensive and this is just the tip of the iceberg. Please chime in below and let us know what you hope will be added and/or fixed for PES 2017.


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Member Comments
# 1 tbennett54 @ 05/09/16 11:44 AM
With creation, I would like if they add a "League Maker." Instead of replacing a league, we should be able to pick a country. So we could choose the US or Germany when making leagues.

Also, bring back stadium editor. I am getting tired of playing at the same stadiums during career. I know getting licenses is impossible, so let us create something that resembles White Hart Lane or the Etihad.

Get rid of regens that look and same names as retired players. It looks dumb and loses playable of career for me.
 
# 2 HenryClay1844 @ 05/09/16 01:05 PM
I have a hard time believing that Konami is going to devote the resources needed to make a game that can truly compete with FIFA. When you can't even get summer transfers done until November you're not doing it right. There is a decent game there, but it is way to clunky and limited when compared to FIFA. They need a huge step up in the editing features which are too time-consuming and didn't allow for nearly enough image importing. Personally I am underwhelmed with FIFA, when it compares to NBA2k and MLB the show, but PES isn't really offering an acceptable alternative at this point.
 
# 3 half-fast @ 05/09/16 03:41 PM
I think PES has the seed for something great. Online was the smoothest I've played this year, but hampered by other issues.

I think PES can win over a lot of disenchanted FIFA manager mode players by focusing on offline play first, getting the Fouls, Keepers, Animations and strategy depth down could win them a lot of sales.
 
# 4 adepoyu @ 05/09/16 03:53 PM
What I miss the most in PES are gameplay sliders. These are the only reason I go back to FIFA when PES underachieves.

Konami doesn't have the time or even doesn't care to have the rosters done, but at least lets us users do it ourselves with option files. Please Konami, let us fix the gameplay for you as well and give us some sliders to play with.
 
# 5 KennyJ1976 @ 05/09/16 04:12 PM
Please add, (If possible) a generic Bundesliga and 2. Bundesliga. Its a pain in the *** having to create it myself. Bring back every stadium, (Including generics) that has been taken out the game since PES 2013. Bring back stadium creator, why was it removed in the first place? Real times of day, not just day and night and all four seasons, not just summer and winter. Real time lighting would be nice too. We should be able to download and save live rosters. Finally, only a small gripe but please do something about the majority of players in the game wearing generic cleats. Those things are eye sores. Footballbootsdb should help you guys with that.
 
# 6 SVCbearcat10 @ 05/09/16 05:44 PM
Ditto about Bundesliga. I get why you can't have licenses, but at least have the league. I would love for option files to be back. I think this is a much more fun game than FIFA. Gameplay is better, much more variety between teams. It is unfortunate that I have to spend a full day or two worth of editing to get the BPL in.

Make it easier to edit teams, along with fixing Defensive AI, Fouls, and GK, it will easily be the most fun game on the market. FIFA will still be an overall better game, but this game should be more fun.
 
# 7 ty5oke @ 05/10/16 01:52 AM
Pretty good list. Hope Konami can actually do some of this.
 
# 8 thor-17 @ 05/10/16 07:49 AM
My most wanted improvement in PES 17 would have to be in the my player game mode. I want to be able to control/play as the entire team, ala FIFA, and set my player up for goals and assists. In my opinion, that would make it the only soccer some that mattered.
 
# 9 stevostl @ 05/10/16 02:12 PM
how can not wanting Konami and PES to introduce clubs online be on this list of things to see added ?

this is beyond me.. but this is the best modes in online sports video gaming that NHL EASHL started.. and then FIFA picked up but have since not upgraded the last few years..

and in PES.. one of the best things that made PES 5, or 6 or the old PES games on PS2 so famous is because it was the best multiplayer sports game offline by far back then and so addicting.

if Konami introduced this mode online to where they had clubs and the servers actually worked in PES.. this would be incredible for rejuvenating this series.

ONLINE PLAY in GENERAL should be KONAMI's top priority... until they make it their top priority they have no chance in to even remotely compete with FIFA.. ONLINE PLAY SHOULD BE #1 BEFORE EVERYTHING ELSE FOR KONAMI!

if they were able to actually able to have a good online... many people will not even buy FIFA just because of that... regardless of not having licenses or not.
 
# 10 Altimus @ 05/10/16 05:03 PM
I would argue it's all about game play for PES, always has been and this year it was kind of weak.
 
# 11 Matt10 @ 05/10/16 05:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Altimus
I would argue it's all about game play for PES, always has been and this year it was kind of weak.
Yup. It was very, very, bad. What's the point of adjusting anything off the pitch if the on the pitch product was...bad?
 
# 12 C.J.S. @ 05/10/16 10:04 PM
Why not scrap everything except UEFA.
Put all resources into that with fully licensed everything in UEFA
 
# 13 stevostl @ 05/11/16 12:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt10
Yup. It was very, very, bad. What's the point of adjusting anything off the pitch if the on the pitch product was...bad?
the gameplay in pes can be better for sure but to act like FIFA's game play is far superior is an exaggeration. most people who buy FIFA play it online and that is without the sliders.. that game play in some cases is not even better than PES. for me.. even FIFA with your sliders the gameplay is not far superior.

PES though obviously has some major flaws in the gameplay.. #1 being the foul system but some of the core gameplay, flow and pace of the match, and tactics is better than FIFA imo

FIFA online is probably the most popular sports game world wide.... and PES is still like 6 years behind it in this regard which is why it will never compete until they make it their #1 priority
 
# 14 Matt10 @ 05/11/16 01:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevostl
the gameplay in pes can be better for sure but to act like FIFA's game play is far superior is an exaggeration. most people who buy FIFA play it online and that is without the sliders.. that game play in some cases is not even better than PES. for me.. even FIFA wit your sliders the gameplay is not far superior.

PES though obviously has some major flaws in the gameplay.. #1 being the foul system but some of the core gameplay, flow and pace of the match, and tactics is better than FIFA imo

FIFA online is probably the most popular sports game world wide.... and PES is still like 6 years behind it in this regard which is why it will never compete until they make it their #1 priority
Yeah, never said FIFA was superior, but it is at least playable - let's leave it at that.

The issue with PES 16 is the fact it's missing everything that made PES 6 great, and PES 13 the proper send off to the series. The new Fox engine handicapped the game to work within a very specific box, and never got out of that box. This was evidenced by the canned low shots on goal that the GK could never save, the defensive line retreating with the forward (versus holding their line), and every single shot looking like a blast of perfect contact.

Those are just some of the issues, tactics are effective, but so effective that it made the players robotic, and mindless. Also, the collision recognition system needs priority as the plays that look like fouls, need to be called - because it does look good.

The good thing is, those are the only true issues with gameplay. FIFA have a lot more issues from formation implementation, proper width, scale of pitch size, animations, misleading statistics - aka very basic football/soccer fundamentals. However, sliders give it an out in some areas - but they are definitely not saviors of the game, just make it playable.
 
# 15 strawberryshortcake @ 05/11/16 02:42 AM
Two things based on the PES16 demos:

(1) Less accurate passes; more passing errors for both the user and cpu; PES's passing is far too accurate. The ability to ping pong pass needs to be scraped. In order to make the passing feel more realistic, I decided to pass solely using the "through pass" button and that made a world of a difference. It felt much more lively. Unfortunately, there are no sliders or options to force the CPU to also use the "pass through mechanic" for all passing plays.

(2) Remove the button that you'd hold down to chase after the player with control of the ball. Stealing the ball with this tactic seems much too easy.

I was so certain upon playing both demos that I was going to buy PES16, but after having seen Matt10's twitch stream, he made me realize the flaw to PES's passing mechanics. I decided to forgo both titles unfortunately. My first and only soccer game was PES14. Never ever bought a FIFA title before, but the FIFA16 demo's passing mechanics and the stealing mechanics seems far superior to PES16's.







Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt10
Yeah, never said FIFA was superior, but it is at least playable - let's leave it at that.

The issue with PES 16 is the fact it's missing everything that made PES 6 great, and PES 13 the proper send off to the series. The new Fox engine handicapped the game to work within a very specific box, and never got out of that box. This was evidenced by the canned low shots on goal that the GK could never save, the defensive line retreating with the forward (versus holding their line), and every single shot looking like a blast of perfect contact.

Those are just some of the issues, tactics are effective, but so effective that it made the players robotic, and mindless. Also, the collision recognition system needs priority as the plays that look like fouls, need to be called - because it does look good.

The good thing is, those are the only true issues with gameplay. FIFA have a lot more issues from formation implementation, proper width, scale of pitch size, animations, misleading statistics - aka very basic football/soccer fundamentals. However, sliders give it an out in some areas - but they are definitely not saviors of the game, just make it playable.
You probably don't remember our very brief conversation (twitch stream) way back when the demo for both came out. I was curious about this whole "passing accuracy, passing error," or whatever the terminology that you specified was clearly superior in Fifa. You twitch streamed an old video of FIFA showcasing what you meant. Shouldn't the passing in PES17 be overhauled as well -- it is far to "accurate" in PES16.
 
# 16 KG @ 05/11/16 05:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevostl
how can not wanting Konami and PES to introduce clubs online be on this list of things to see added ?

this is beyond me.. but this is the best modes in online sports video gaming that NHL EASHL started.. and then FIFA picked up but have since not upgraded the last few years..

and in PES.. one of the best things that made PES 5, or 6 or the old PES games on PS2 so famous is because it was the best multiplayer sports game offline by far back then and so addicting.

if Konami introduced this mode online to where they had clubs and the servers actually worked in PES.. this would be incredible for rejuvenating this series.

ONLINE PLAY in GENERAL should be KONAMI's top priority... until they make it their top priority they have no chance in to even remotely compete with FIFA.. ONLINE PLAY SHOULD BE #1 BEFORE EVERYTHING ELSE FOR KONAMI!

if they were able to actually able to have a good online... many people will not even buy FIFA just because of that... regardless of not having licenses or not.
Note – this isn’t an “end-all-be-all” list but rather a high-level rundown of some of common issues plaguing PES 2016 and where we’d like to see the game go in future iterations.

If I could write a list of EVERYTHING I'd like to see added it would be a full-on thesis, lol.
 
# 17 Chris200000 @ 05/15/16 07:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tbennett54
With creation, I would like if they add a "League Maker." Instead of replacing a league, we should be able to pick a country. So we could choose the US or Germany when making leagues.

Also, bring back stadium editor. I am getting tired of playing at the same stadiums during career. I know getting licenses is impossible, so let us create something that resembles White Hart Lane or the Etihad.

Get rid of regens that look and same names as retired players. It looks dumb and loses playable of career for me.
Agree 100%
 
# 18 C.J.S. @ 05/18/16 03:34 AM
much better animations
much better lighting
no more running on rails
much better replays
smarter goalies
 
# 19 stevostl @ 06/01/16 12:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KG
Note – this isn’t an “end-all-be-all” list but rather a high-level rundown of some of common issues plaguing PES 2016 and where we’d like to see the game go in future iterations.

If I could write a list of EVERYTHING I'd like to see added it would be a full-on thesis, lol.


it was a good write up. Sorry I am just always let down by konami in terms of that the most with their games and was ranting a little there... I usually buy both footie games every year and I'm disappointed in something with both games every year too much. In konami it's the overall online and the fouls system. I think PES is actually closer to the better gameplay on the pitch though if they fix the big glaring issues.

I also see that some people have or want konami to make sliders for their new game. I disagree with that. I mean don't get me wrong it does good to have some options like I wish if there was one slider they had besides game speed and difficulty and pass support and shooting options... It's for the refs . I think they should have a slider for reffs on how strict they are. This would be a great addition to the PES series. I don't however think they need all the other sliders that FIFA has. That would do more harm than good.. PES doesn't need all that imo BUT if they added it I wouldn't complain... just don't think it's necessary like some do or that it should be a must need.

the greatest football games of all time imo are those without sliders.. and still are the best to me.

with that said. if they create sliders and it makes the game great for everyone.. then I'm sure I will like it as well.
 
# 20 PeruvianPlaya954 @ 06/03/16 02:16 PM
What do I want to see? ****ing fouls. Oh, and yellow cards. And red cards. And free kicks. And penalty kicks.

For ****'s sake.
 

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