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Dear Sports Media: Real Steph Curry Would Beat Video Game Steph Curry

"He’s playing like it’s a video game out here."

If you’ve watched the Warriors play on national television or read any number of articles by any number of basketball writers, you’ve read or heard some sort of amalgamation of “playing like a video game” in comparison to Steph Curry. But here’s the thing: people who play simulation basketball video games would never stand for Steph’s shenanigans.
 
The moment any number of some of Steph’s ill-advised, downright terrible shots went in, many would be screaming “LAZY DEVS!” or “THIS GAME’S BROKEN” or would immediately head into the sliders menu to start tweaking things.
 
People at Operation Sports understand that sometimes the absurd and unlikely does actually happen in the NBA, which is why this thread in the NBA 2K forum is one of my favorites in a very long time. The “If This Would Have Happened In 2K Thread” is great because it encompasses all the absurd ways video game players would speak out against the NBA if it were happening in a video game. 
 
Of course, it’s all meant to be tongue-in-cheek comments, but it’s also a not-so-subtle way to point out that all the ways we try to control our video game experiences via sliders and difficulty levels and so on still fly in the face of how great players and teams can make us all look like fools for trying to be overbearing, stat-obsessed loons when we have a controller in our hands.  
 
But this is not about the rest of the NBA, this is about the man who owns the NBA right now: Steph Curry. So after the jump, let’s chat more about Curry and how he would make you rage quit your favorite NBA video game.
 
Now, perhaps broadcasters and sportswriters say Steph is playing like a video game right now because there’s really no other way to describe the way he’s playing this season. His efficiency is unfathomable right now, and when taking into account the amount of shots he’s taking, there’s a very real and legitimate reason to claim he’s having the best offensive season since the three-point line and the modern NBA were born. 
 
No, seriously his True Shooting Percentage is 70, and he’s doing that on 20-plus shots a night! Even big men, where their only purpose is to dunk the basketball and never shoot otherwise, don’t put up a True Shooting Percentage of 70. And it’s not like he’s taking uncontested shots, or even “smart” shots a lot of the time. Steph Curry is becoming the master of the “bad shot, bad shot, [ball swishes through the net], good shot Steph!”  
 
And you know, I could throw more stats at you like how Curry is making more three pointers than some NBA teams, or how he shoots the most shots from 25-29 feet (FYI, top of the key three-point line is 23.9 feet) and is still the most efficient from that range, but let’s just talk about how Steph would break video games via some GIFs.
 
(And all thanks goes to FreeDawkins for uploading highlights to YouTube after NBA games end.)
 
 
The Situation: The Warriors are down three with under four minutes to go. Steph blitzes up the court after getting the rebound, and fires up a 24-foot shot with Lowry in his grill and Scola trailing from behind. He stops on a dime to fire up this contested shot; he’s also off balance, but of course the shot goes in.
 
In Video Game Terms: This is like a random room guy you play who panics because he finally lost the lead and now feels like he has to tie it up as soon as possible. You know exactly what he wants to do because many random room NBA 2K players grab the ball and speed ahead because they don’t usually know how to run an offense. So to avoid forcing up a terrible shot at the end of the shot clock, the best chance these folks have to get an open shot is speed up the court and fire one up before you can user to the ball handler and get in defensive stance. But that's not what happened here, you did everything right and forced the bad shot.
 
Then the ball swishes through the net and you scream out any number of obscenities while thinking “IT TAKES NO SKILL TO EVEN DO THAT, ALL YOU DID WAS TURBO UP THE COURT AND PRESS THE SHOOT BUTTON!” Then you probably bounce back and still win because, again, it’s a video game and that shot is not usually going to go in like it will in real life when Steph shoots it.  
 
 
The Situation: Steph gets the steal and tries to go for the fast break. Z-Bo gets in his way and forces Steph to lose his handle. A defender (Russ Smith) dives for the loose ball, but Steph picks it up and then speeds towards the three-point line. Steph then senses contact and throws up the ball doing one of those I-think-a-call-is-coming-let-me-chuck-this-towards-the-rim-not-because-I-think-I’ll-actually-get-free-throws-but-just-for-kicks shots, only the foul call never comes and the shot goes in anyway.
 
In Video Game Terms: You had fat fingers during this entire sequence. You got the steal and then started speeding up the court trying to get a fast break. Only you didn’t expect the guy you were playing against to start spamming the steal button, which causes you to panic and you go for the behind the back Isomotion move, but you can’t do that in traffic at all anymore.
 
At this point the ball comes free, and the other defender presses the steal button again, which initiates a hustle action this time as he dives for the loose ball. But he misses on the dive, and now you have the ball back and you’re stunned you even have it. You pull up the icon passing setup, but totally forget that your small-ball lineup is in, so you’re pressing the shot button thinking Iguodala is at the small forward spot, only he’s at the power forward spot. The icons eventually go down by themselves and you keep smashing the shot button and flick up this magical whoopsie.  
 
 
The Situation: Steph gets the steal and knows there’s little time left on the clock before the end of the third quarter. So he takes a couple dribbles and then gathers to fire off the shot from deep in the Grind House. He sticks it, and this is just minutes after the previous miraculous shot where he thought he was going to be fouled.   
 
In Video Game Terms: You didn’t actually think anything good would come of this because these shots never go in anymore in NBA 2K, but it’s the end of the quarter so you shoot it up out of habit. The shot goes in, and you think man this new patch seems to have made it so you can finally hit some end-of-quarter shots. You then head on to the OS Forums to see a 42-page thread about how the new patch has totally imbalanced end-of-quarter heaves; it is now the new end-of-shot-clock cheese. 
 
 
The Situation: Curry is bored. I mean, he’s just bored, right? Golden State is up 12 as they near the end of the half. This is on the second night of a back to back for the Warriors, and they just had an intense game against the Raptors the night before. Steph is looking to take the heart out of Brooklyn here, while also getting the fans in Brooklyn even more on his side (Nets fans were cheering for Curry like he was one of their own). He drills the 29-foot shot because, why not? (Brooklyn would actually take the lead in the third before getting demolished). 
 
In Video Game Terms: There are two likely outcomes here, but either way, you’re taking no pity on the random player who decided to go at your three-star squad with his one-star Nets.
 
-The first option here is that you decided to just start messing with this online user by testing what the Limitless Range badge was really all about. If he quit in anger in the process, so be it.
 
-The second option is you were trying to ease your way up to the three-point line while coming off the pick and roll. Only, as with every NBA 2K before it, you battled the controls a bit to try and move your feet towards the three-point line with finite movement and ended up launching before you really got your feet where you wanted them. At the end of the day, you maybe still ended up hitting on the first scenario as you noticed the Limitless Range badge really does work, and your opponent also immediately paused and quit the game.
 
 
Simply put, Steph Curry is making video games seem boring and "too real" at this point. It's actually come to that. 

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# 1 jeebs9 @ 12/08/15 02:56 PM
Nice write up! I totally agree.

I think they nerf him. Or users don't know how to play with him. You would think someone like him would be easy to play with. But he is far from that. If you thought he missed badly in ranked games. Try playing a game in a league with custom sliders. I've seen people struggle badly with one of the greatest shooters of the NBA.
 
# 2 scottyp180 @ 12/08/15 03:02 PM
This is a great article and 100% accurate. Most people on OS are so concerned with games being simulation and as realistic as possible that I think people sometimes forget that ridiculous things happen in real life and they might happen more often than we think. Steph Curry is the perfect case and point. On a given night he is likely to do at least one thing that is unexplainable and video game like.

The crazy thing I find ironic is that it is difficult to play like real life Curry in 2k. I've tried nearly every time I've used the Warriors since the game released. Usually my logic is to take control of Curry and create some space using dribble moves, a screen, or running a set play for curry, then once I'm open shoot the ball or drive. It seems like in real life this is nearly an automatic for Curry. Whether he has the shot or not chances are he's taking it and usually it is more surprising if he misses rather than making the shot. Now in 2k, maybe I try to spam to much and I know I don't have the timing down, but in my experience it is difficult to take ove and dominate with Curry like he does in real life (although the cpu usually kills me whenever I play him). I feel like it's one of those things where if Curry could easily dominate it would be cheese an unfair even though he basically is cheese and unfair in real life.
 
# 3 Guard-ian @ 12/08/15 03:06 PM
I can not agree more with the writer. I have been talking with my friends on how the year that Curry is playing like in a videogame in the real world his courterpart in 2k16 is very 'difficult' to say it softly, no one in our league can shoot consistently with him...

I think a new 'Chicken with Curry' Badge should be created or something...

Cheers!
 
# 4 ksuttonjr76 @ 12/08/15 03:28 PM
Personally, I mostly ran into good GSW users in PNO. Steph Curry is a beast! I remember throwing every single defensive scheme that I could think of to stop him (Pacers). Steph Curry manhandled my defense, and still scorched my team for 30+ points. Honestly, Curry is a videogame glitch, and I don't see how people CAN'T shoot with him.

What's scary...I REALLY believe that his individual ratings can go up even more than they are now.
 
# 5 Mikelopedia @ 12/08/15 03:43 PM
Love this haha

Now getting CPU Curry to play like Curry is a whole nother thing!

What I've had some success with is this:
-raise shot tendency to 100
-raise shot under basket tendency to 45
-lower shot close tendency to 15
-lower mid range shot tendency to 25
-raise 3 point shot tendency to 100
-raise contested shot tendency to 100
-raise stepback shot tendency to 100
-raise pull up in transition tendency to 100
-raise triple threat shoot to 99
-raise setup with sizeup to 55
-lower drive tendency to 55
-lower shot IQ rating to 75 (this helps him take "bad shots")
-add gold corner specialist badge
-add gold fade ace badge
-add all gold ball handling badges
-change play types to:
Priority 1: 3 pt
Priority 2: Pick and Roll Ball Handler
Priority 3: Isolation
Priority 4: Handoff

You also need to lower everyone else's touches a little bit so that they run more plays for Steph even though he's already at a 99.

I played the Indiana matchup last night (12 min quarters, superstar sim with my custom gameplay tweaks) and he dropped 41 on me on 27 shots, 6 for 11 from 3. Lost by 2, PG13 had 35 :/
 
# 6 BA2929 @ 12/08/15 04:51 PM
Usually when a writer or tv personality says “playing like a video game” or "putting up video game numbers!", the last basketball game they played was NBA Jam or NBA Street.

In some aspects, NBA 2k is more "realistic" than real life.

I mean, people on here expect to shoot no more and no less than 45-50% from the field, 35-40% from 3 and 90% from the line. Every. Single. Game.
 
# 7 DatIsraeliGuy @ 12/08/15 04:53 PM
He's essentially god at this moment...
 
# 8 DBAB23 @ 12/08/15 05:20 PM
The real Steph Curry is basically zig zag cheese and step back 3 cheese and any other 2K bug we have seen over the last few years. With the exception 2K fixed the bugs in the game, no one can fix this in real life. Dude is insane, and tearing up the entire basketball universe.
 
# 9 ViolenceFight @ 12/08/15 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DBAB23
The real Steph Curry is basically zig zag cheese and step back 3 cheese and any other 2K bug we have seen over the last few years. With the exception 2K fixed the bugs in the game, no one can fix this in real life. Dude is insane, and tearing up the entire basketball universe.
This is why the 45 threads about 2k16 being broken and people using Curry's shooting as reasoning were pointless. There's no way to replicate the stuff steph does in real life without ruining game balance.

Not even to mention this dude takes some of the most atrocious shots I've ever seen a guy take....and he drains them. For a game that wants to promote Sim play, you're telling the programming that a shot inside a certain radius around the defense is a "bad" shot. You're not contesting curry unless you're literally in his t shirt In real life.
 
# 10 J_Posse @ 12/08/15 06:30 PM
I think his insane offensive run is why they need to add a tier above gold for the badges. Steph having a "platinum" badge for many of his skills would help in further seperating his above elite shooting and scoring ability, right now.

Also, as unfair as it may be current Steph Curry deserves all A or A+ ratings in all shooting categories except for in the post. He's truly on an incredible tear that we haven't seen (for a perimeter scorer) since MJ or LeBron in their physical & mental prime. And neither of those two can touch Steph from the outside.

from Spurs Nation/Bills Backer HQ
 
# 11 ksuttonjr76 @ 12/08/15 06:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ViolenceFight
This is why the 45 threads about 2k16 being broken and people using Curry's shooting as reasoning were pointless. There's no way to replicate the stuff steph does in real life without ruining game balance.

Not even to mention this dude takes some of the most atrocious shots I've ever seen a guy take....and he drains them. For a game that wants to promote Sim play, you're telling the programming that a shot inside a certain radius around the defense is a "bad" shot. You're not contesting curry unless you're literally in his t shirt In real life.
Steph Curry is a videogame anomaly due to his real life performance. If 2K Sports "matched" the videogame version to his real life counterpart, then there would be no stopping him. I could see someone jacking 20+ 3's a game with him just because they can.
 
# 12 Caelumfang @ 12/08/15 08:09 PM
Seriously, I really want you all to sit here and think about if they decided to make Steph make the junk he throws up in real life. Can you even imagine the screams for a patch because everyone picking the Warriors or using Steph in MyTeam would be jacking about 40+ threes, most contested, and dropping them like crazy.

Be careful what y'all wish for, because you just might not like the result.
 
# 13 Optik @ 12/08/15 08:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ViolenceFight
Not even to mention this dude takes some of the most atrocious shots I've ever seen a guy take....and he drains them.
If they're high percentage shots relative to the NBA average then you can't call them "atrocious" shots. Yeah, they would be for anyone else but for him they're just very makeable. That's one of the things that makes Curry special. When Kobe was making those shots (and they weren't really the same because he wasn't speeding down the court and stopping on a dime to pop a 3, he was just taking stand-still jumpshots) in his prime, they were bad shots because Kobe often took a ton of shots on bad efficiency, and for every one of those miracle shots he made, he missed a ton. Whereas with Curry, those aren't miracle shots for him because he makes them on a routine basis and he often gets 40 on less than 20 shots. One could argue that it's actually less exciting watching Curry make those shots than it was for Kobe because for Curry it's so routine, nothing he does comes as a surprise.
 
# 14 ViolenceFight @ 12/08/15 09:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Optik
If they're high percentage shots relative to the NBA average then you can't call them "atrocious" shots. Yeah, they would be for anyone else but for him they're just very makeable. That's one of the things that makes Curry special. When Kobe was making those shots (and they weren't really the same because he wasn't speeding down the court and stopping on a dime to pop a 3, he was just taking stand-still jumpshots) in his prime, they were bad shots because Kobe often took a ton of shots on bad efficiency, and for every one of those miracle shots he made, he missed a ton. Whereas with Curry, those aren't miracle shots for him because he makes them on a routine basis and he often gets 40 on less than 20 shots. One could argue that it's actually less exciting watching Curry make those shots than it was for Kobe because for Curry it's so routine, nothing he does comes as a surprise.
I'll be the first to say most of Kobe's shot selection is bad too.

Hit or miss, A shot in a guy's face off a step back is not the look I want my offense taking. A shot 9 seconds into the shot clock, off the dribble, full speed pull up is a bad shot. I get that hitting them makes the kid special, but to say that those are even close to quality because they dropped is inssne from any sort of fundamental aspect. Hitting a shot, even if it's a multitude of them the same way, doesn't make them good shots.

It makes Curry amazing, and I'll never argue that. Kid is playing out of his mind, and he's so locked in I'm pretty positive he could get the ball off the in bound, throw it backwards over his head from full court and bury it. Wouldn't make it a quality shot, though
 
# 15 Optik @ 12/08/15 09:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ViolenceFight
I'll be the first to say most of Kobe's shot selection is bad too.

Hit or miss, A shot in a guy's face off a step back is not the look I want my offense taking. A shot 9 seconds into the shot clock, off the dribble, full speed pull up is a bad shot. I get that hitting them makes the kid special, but to say that those are even close to quality because they dropped is inssne from any sort of fundamental aspect. Hitting a shot, even if it's a multitude of them the same way, doesn't make them good shots.

It makes Curry amazing, and I'll never argue that. Kid is playing out of his mind, and he's so locked in I'm pretty positive he could get the ball off the in bound, throw it backwards over his head from full court and bury it. Wouldn't make it a quality shot, though
If someone is hitting a particular shot on a high percentage with a large enough sample size, objectively speaking, that's a good shot for that player. It doesn't matter whether it was "good basketball" or not.

Look at LMA's post fade. He's being guarded by someone usually as tall, if not taller than him and he's taking a heavily contested shot on what's essentially an isolation play. How many people have you heard say that's a bad shot. Funnily enough he made a higher percentage of these shots than from mid range last season.

Look at Dirk's post fadeaway. You always hear coaches and commentators say it's such a good shot because it's a 7fter and no one can guard it. It's still an isolation play and he's still not "open".

Why can't it be the same with Curry? People have said that he has the best combination of shooting and handles the game has ever seen. He has one of the quickest releases ever at 0.4 seconds. It's hard to contest a shot that quick. He's 6'3 so it's not like it's inhuman (I know...weird thing to say about Curry) for him to be getting off these shots in the NBA. There are good reasons why these are objectively good shots for him to take. Curry is basically a stats guy's dream. He's the evidence (albeit just one person) to backup what these guys have been arguing for years and that is that teams need to take more 3pt shots, even if they look "bad".

Side note - What I've noticed down the stretch or when behind is that Curry subverts the traditional school of thinking (which is to take your time and eat up the clock) and takes early shots (really early, like 5 seconds into the shot clock). What often happens is that the Warriors will just get the rebound the 3 if it misses and get lots of second chance points.
 
# 16 ViolenceFight @ 12/08/15 09:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Optik
If someone is hitting a particular shot on a high percentage with a large enough sample size, objectively speaking, that's a good shot for that player. It doesn't matter whether it was "good basketball" or not.

Look at LMA's post fade. He's being guarded by someone usually as tall, if not taller than him and he's taking a heavily contested shot on what's essentially an isolation play. How many people have you heard say that's a bad shot. Funnily enough he made a higher percentage of these shots than from mid range last season.

Look at Dirk's post fadeaway. You always hear coaches and commentators say it's such a good shot because it's a 7fter and no one can guard it. It's still an isolation play and he's still not "open".

Why can't it be the same with Curry? People have said that he has the best combination of shooting and handles the game has ever seen. He has one of the quickest releases ever at 0.4 seconds. It's hard to contest a shot that quick. He's 6'3 so it's not like it's inhuman (I know...weird thing to say about Curry) for him to be getting off these shots in the NBA. There are good reasons why these are objectively good shots for him to take. Curry is basically a stats guy's dream. He's the evidence (albeit just one person) to backup what these guys have been arguing for years and that is that teams need to take more 3pt shots, even if they look "bad".

Side note - What I've noticed down the stretch or when behind is that Curry subverts the traditional school of thinking (which is to take your time and eat up the clock) and takes early shots (really early, like 5 seconds into the shot clock). What often happens is that the Warriors will just get the rebound the 3 if it misses and get lots of second chance points.
Good basketball is good basketball. Bad shots are bad shots. Bad shots that drop, are still bad shots. Curry drains bad shot. It's a shot he can hit, but objectively I'd pull my hair out every time he shot it if I was his coach.

I'd give him the green light to shoot. I'm not stupid, he's the best player on the planet right now, I'd be a moron to tell him to quit.

I'd still cringe every time he let's it fly in most of the situations. Case in point: Warriors vs. Clippers, Curry's ridiculous dribbling through all 5 clippers, turn around, step back, money.

Cut to Kerr, he's ready to murder steph when he releases, and then he has the "Damnit, I can't even be mad because he hit it" expression on his face. Steph is flat out an anomaly. Coaching wise I'd use his shots as examples of when to NOT shoot the ball. Period.


That being said, I appreciate the debate, but I'll offer to agree to disagree with you. I will not change my view on this. I'm watching the Warriors right now and steph and Klay are hitting shots they should have no business hitting. This team is nuts
 
# 17 TarHeelPhenom @ 12/09/15 02:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikelopedia
Love this haha

Now getting CPU Curry to play like Curry is a whole nother thing!

What I've had some success with is this:
-raise shot tendency to 100
-raise shot under basket tendency to 45
-lower shot close tendency to 15
-lower mid range shot tendency to 25
-raise 3 point shot tendency to 100
-raise contested shot tendency to 100
-raise stepback shot tendency to 100
-raise pull up in transition tendency to 100
-raise triple threat shoot to 99
-raise setup with sizeup to 55
-lower drive tendency to 55
-lower shot IQ rating to 75 (this helps him take "bad shots")
-add gold corner specialist badge
-add gold fade ace badge
-add all gold ball handling badges
-change play types to:
Priority 1: 3 pt
Priority 2: Pick and Roll Ball Handler
Priority 3: Isolation
Priority 4: Handoff

You also need to lower everyone else's touches a little bit so that they run more plays for Steph even though he's already at a 99.

I played the Indiana matchup last night (12 min quarters, superstar sim with my custom gameplay tweaks) and he dropped 41 on me on 27 shots, 6 for 11 from 3. Lost by 2, PG13 had 35 :/


Trying these out. Im currently watching cpu vs cpu GSW-MIA and in the 1st quarter Steph has 13pts on 5-7 fg...3-4 from behind the arc. Anxious to see his final stat line.
 
# 18 raidertiger @ 12/09/15 02:49 AM
This is why online hurts the Warriors. Curry can't play like he does because he'd be too OP.

Seriously I thought this game was a simulation? Apparently not.

And for those who say "learn how to use him", that's BS. Curry's shots would be graded as a D-F in this game.
 
# 19 jeebs9 @ 12/09/15 04:52 AM
Bad shots shouldn't go in. Period!

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# 20 Hustle Westbrook @ 12/09/15 10:18 AM
Thank God. I couldn't fathom playing cheesers with no skill running around with Stephen Curry throwing up garbage every game.

Right after the Charlotte game I played some clown that thought he was gonna drop 40 on me with Steph Curry. His entire game consisted of zig-zagging and pick and rolls, which inevitably got locked up, which ultimately led to his rage quit.
 

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