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OS Roundtable: Are 2K12's Online Gaffes a Major Concern?

NBA 2K has never had reliable servers for online gaming, and it's starting to take a toll on their image. With EA out of the NBA game for now, it seems as though 2K is wasting valuable time to recreate what is broken.

Too many times gamers are disconnected in the middle of a game, too many times you aren't able to even log on to your Online Association, and too many times (every day to be exact) are the servers down for maintenance.

So with that said, I ask you, OS staff writers, are NBA 2K12's online gaffes a major concern?

TJ Surovy: Yes, it is a major concern. The major addition to this year’s game is the Online Association mode, and if the server issues aren’t resolved, gamers are going to avoid it like Joakim Noah avoids the barber. 

In addition, 2k is trying to pull in some extra revenue by requiring gamers to pay extra for the ability to use teams from NBA's Greatest Mode online. NBA 2k12 owners aren’t going to pay out that extra cash if they know that the online experience is going to be plagued with server issues. 

While 2k has made improvements to virtually every other aspect of the NBA 2k experience, their continued failure to ensure a smooth online experience should definitely be a concern to those gamers who value the online experience above anything else. Issues with 2k’s online servers seem to be as inevitable as another Yao Ming foot injury. Fortunately for us, 2k hasn’t retired their online mode yet, but it appears to need some reconstructive surgery.

Matthew Coe: The online servers are a huge concern and a major problem for NBA2K12 and it's image among gamers. The online problems weresupposed to be fixed this year. Online Association was touted in the online insight as a major new feature, but gamers can barely even play the mode. Other than the removal of crews, buyers had a good feeling with nothing but positive buzz and good vibes coming out about 2K12.

Since the game's release the tone has shifted. The NBA 2K website is still in the "Coming Soon" phase and the first day of NBA 2K's online service can only be described as a disaster. With NBA 2K12's new My2K service and all of the problems, it's been a very poor first impression.

And when you look at NBA 2K's history of online service, I don't see a lot of reason for optimism that it's going to improve a tremendous amount before we're staring down the barrel of 2K13.

Phil Varckette: This seems to be a major concern and a recurring issue with this game year after year. It is unacceptable for a game to come out of the gate on release day with the servers in disarray. The guys down at 2K had a whole development cycle to make sure online worked smoothly. Rarely am I even able to access the online features, which is a big part of sports gaming these days. I finally got a roster downloaded after a week, but I still need sliders. Plus, in a year where 2K Share will be heavily relied upon for our roster fixes, I shouldn't have to try to do this more than once. 

The average gamer who runs into these issues may not be so patient. 2K Sports needs to realize that just because the game itself is great, you can still turn off fans by these frustrating issues.

Mike Kilroy: Apparently, the 2K servers are in a work stoppage, too. It's unfortunate, because what is otherwise a stellar effort is marred by the online inconsistencies. 

Online components of sports games are a major part of the experience in the 21st century. Having that portion of your product perform like the last man on your bench is unacceptable. That's not to say these issues can't be fixed. It's just a shame online is a mess in the early stages of release.

Steven Bartlett: If we are talking a major concern in alienating fans, then I don't think I can categorize 2K's lack of high performance servers as a big issue. NBA 2K12 has continuously focused on gameplay for years now, and the foundation is so strong that the fans take the game as it is - weak servers or not. The offline replay value in this title is endless, and will continue be the well in which 2K's success draws from. The fans will continue to love the realism behind the title. Without the brilliant gameplay, online is irrelevant. Their priorities are correct.

In terms of falling behind and losing market share to the competition, I do think the servers play a role. The success of this generation's titles across all genres, not just sports gaming, hinges on multiplayer online., such as games like Call of Duty and Halo.

It's interesting how this franchise has fallen off the path that launched its initial success on the Dreamcast. If 2K can construct servers and grow a culture around this title as a true online multiplayer game, then it's quite possible that this series could compete with other genres as a record selling video game. A new online sports gaming model might be needed to grow the interest. The NBA JAM model of a quick 10-, 15-minute match falls in line with a team deathmatch in first person shooters - super addicting and convenient to all gamers.


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# 21 justud @ 10/13/11 05:46 PM
not big concern...HUGE concern. i'll wait until its discounted next year. if i can't play online why pay full price?
 
# 22 amedawg00 @ 10/13/11 06:11 PM
Again, props to OS for shining a light on 2K's online issues. For a site that traditionally caters to offline gamers, I have now seen two major articles in as many weeks on this subject. Since this site is frequented by the devs, I can only hope that the trend continues and that this site hold 2K accountable for unfulfilled promises that can be characterized as borderline deceitful and misleading advertising about the online portion of the game.

Having said that, I am not so naive as to think that these online issues will engender a significant backlash from their customers because the game play and sheer amount of modes is simply peerless, especially when you consider the competition or better yet the lack of competition. Hence, like a junkie who constantly yearns for the euphoric high, and as a result cannot put down the pipe, or the battered wife that cannot leave the abusive husband, us online gamers will continue to be drugged and battered so long as the core of the game and the non online portions continue to be 2Ks priority.

That sentiment is so demoralizing for an individual such as myself who is not even a gamer, in terms of one who enjoys different types of games, just a "2K ONLINE GAMER." I have no need to remove this game from the xbox year round when online leagues and now online associations are functioning properly, so hopefully this upcoming patch resolves the plethora of issues plaguing this beautiful game. After all, who would I be kidding to sit here and pontificate about switching to EA when Elite makes its return or potentially not buying future iterations of 2K. I and 2K know that aint happening. Oh the love/hate relationship.
 
# 23 whoahello @ 10/13/11 06:12 PM
Thank you guys for making this article. I feel like online has always been under the radar and people don't seem to care enough.
 
# 24 basketballfreak24 @ 10/13/11 09:07 PM
u already know the answer is yes. gameplay is off the charts but the online connectivity is flatlined and nonfunctional at times. i know who mike wang and rob jones and eric and those guys they keep showing are but who is the dev managing the online coding. i dont remember seeing him anywhere. the guy in charge of online and the nba insider who controls the player ranks. show your faces so we know who to cry to. lol. dont be scared.
 
# 25 eye guy @ 10/13/11 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Gotmadskillzson
Online is what sells videogames period this generation.
Steven Bartlett "If we are talking a major concern in alienating fans, then I don't think I can categorize 2K's lack of high performance servers as a big issue".

This is what I was trying to get across on MMChris's Blog... It's still an issue though.
 
# 26 cgalligan @ 10/13/11 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by hoop xyience
If the game was sold new at 35$ then NO...

But for 65$ YES its a major concern..

Why settle for half of a game sold at full price..
We all do it for Madden on a yearly basis...

Point being, whats a BETTER GAME? 2k12 or Madden 12?

If you were going to give a slight pass on some issues, who would you give it to? The people that boldface lie to you yearly? or, the people that make damn near the best sports game on a year in and year out basis?

So, online is funky right now... No big deal to me and about 10,000,000 other people... If you don't play this game simply because you can't deal with the online issues its having right now, then you my friend are missing one of the best games of this generation...
 
# 27 Gramps91 @ 10/13/11 10:48 PM
Online isn't a big deal for me as I'm an offline gamer but I can see why online gamers are so upset. At least they are trying to fix it though
 
# 28 scoonie05 @ 10/13/11 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by eaterofworlds888
Online isn't a big deal for me as I'm an offline gamer but I can see why online gamers are so upset. At least they are trying to fix it though
Trying to fix what?? They been TRYING to fix the server's since 2k9. One year people can live with it but 3 freaking year's is unacceptable.
 
# 29 Thunder Storm @ 10/13/11 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by eaterofworlds888
Online isn't a big deal for me as I'm an offline gamer but I can see why online gamers are so upset. At least they are trying to fix it though
It is worse than you think ... I am a gamer, NBA 2K has THE worst online I've ever seen. This is 3 years in a row that they have shipped a game that doesn't work online at launch. Unheard of.

@2K Sports ...
 
# 30 tabulaRasa @ 10/14/11 03:35 AM
I see the issue, but isn´t it a bit of odd that a writer now affiliated with EA writes this story? I think that´s odd.
 
# 31 tabulaRasa @ 10/14/11 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by JCEVO
sports games online period is A MAJOR CONCERN. i havent played a GREAT ONLINE SPORTS GAME YET and i have played great online games is other GENRE.

i hate that people bash 2k so bad online but think EA is great at it. i laugh at the mere thought of it

i want online to feel like offline as close as possible so no lag compensation, same game tempo, no disconnection unless the players do it. streamlined play to play basically
THis has always been the case, just look at the NHL2K freeze, it was an uproar fueled by EA lovers, but then whem EA got it´s own freeze, in franchise, in trade screen , online freezes, loop bugs etc etc, it´s so lowkey it´s F-ing insane....
 
# 32 iLLosophy @ 10/14/11 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve
If we are talking a major concern in alienating fans, then I don't think I can categorize 2K's lack of high performance servers as a big issue. NBA 2K12 has continuously focused on gameplay for years now, and the foundation is so strong that the fans take the game as it is - weak servers or not.


Sorry boss but I disagree 100%. I never bought 2k9, i sold 2k10 after a month. As of now I have no desire to buy NBA 2K13, only reason why NBA 2K12 hasn't gone back is due to a dedicated league I'm in. and quite honestly I'm looking forward to seeing what "the other guys" have in store.
 
# 33 NoTiCe_O @ 10/14/11 10:21 AM
YES! This is a huge concern for me. I buy sports games because I like to compete, and not just against the cpu but against real people.

Idk about the rest of you guys but even when i'm playing offline its most likely against friends and we play to win cheese or not. The thing about me is I can't play cheese because I'm always thinking like i'm really on the court and exploiting weakness in strategy not in the game. I remember my friends used to clown me back in 2k8-2k9 because I actually used the post moves, and exploited there weaknesses with it. They'd be like "You think this is real Life!?!?"... YUP

As for online, theres a 97% chance that if a game doesn't have online i won't even buy it, I get sick of the CPU in hours. I need the game to feel dif. everytime and that's what online brings. Even when playing cheesers if you use real basketball strategy they can be blown out. That's the fun part, thinking like a coach, not just against cpu called plays but against real minds.

2k would be the best sports game hands down if there online was as smooth and lag free as offline. This is an area they HAVE to fix, the other modes just won't hold me long enough. After all the fun times, jokes, and memories i've had online with videogames there no way i could ever go back to just playing the cpu, and thinking thats fun. Idk how people do it honestly.
 
# 34 bumpyface @ 10/15/11 12:57 AM
NBA2k is just a reminder of the position we're in as citizens. There isn't any competition so all we can do is bend over and take it. Illuminati2ksports
 
# 35 clipperfan811 @ 10/15/11 08:44 AM
I think that the online issues are a huge deal for about 30% of 2k's fan base, a legit annoyance for another 30%, a minor inconvenience for about 20% and of little concern for the remaining 20%.

For me, I've been an offline player almost exclusively for years up until the last few months before 2k12 dropped, once I finally got a bit tired of association mode. I was slightly disappointed that the online experience was so sporadic over the first week but more than anger I felt indifference. Sometimes indifference can be worse though.
 
# 36 BlackRome @ 10/15/11 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by truintellectplaya
Nope, this has been a issue for quite some time. As I have stated the last time a played a 2K game online was NBA 2K8, some claim that was there best online game and it failed because of plug pullers and such. Did I stop buying NBA 2K even though Live was on the market, NO. It is a concern but it is not a major concern. A major concern must have major penalties for handling it wrong and there are no major penalties for 2K not having it's online game correct, just like there were never any major penalties for MLB THE Show not holding up online. Answer this for me, why have I never seen a roundtable about MLB THE Show and how poor there online operated?

Once again, I think people are reaching with this. Yes, I want it fixed even though I am not into online like that, but making article after article beating a dead horse is really not the answer. At the end of the day, 2K will not be good online next year either and they will not lose significant share to Live. Too strong of product recognition at this point.
What are you talking about. That was fixed very early in NBA 2k8 life cycle. If someone pulled the plug you got the win. Trust me. I was in the top 10. I had quite a few first quarter KO's.

Your statement has nothing to do with the game play or speed at which the game played. It was the best compared to any 2k release.

There is a reason true 2k8 fans who have been with the series day one considers it 2k's best online game.

Since that was the last time you played online it's kind of hard to take your opinion serious.

Since the people I have played who only play offline usually suck the worst.

They join our onsite leagues " We meet and play" and get crushed.

You've been doing that for 4 years.
 
# 37 BlackRome @ 10/15/11 09:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoTiCe_O
YES! This is a huge concern for me. I buy sports games because I like to compete, and not just against the cpu but against real people.

Idk about the rest of you guys but even when i'm playing offline its most likely against friends and we play to win cheese or not. The thing about me is I can't play cheese because I'm always thinking like i'm really on the court and exploiting weakness in strategy not in the game. I remember my friends used to clown me back in 2k8-2k9 because I actually used the post moves, and exploited there weaknesses with it. They'd be like "You think this is real Life!?!?"... YUP

As for online, theres a 97% chance that if a game doesn't have online i won't even buy it, I get sick of the CPU in hours. I need the game to feel dif. everytime and that's what online brings. Even when playing cheesers if you use real basketball strategy they can be blown out. That's the fun part, thinking like a coach, not just against cpu called plays but against real minds.

2k would be the best sports game hands down if there online was as smooth and lag free as offline. This is an area they HAVE to fix, the other modes just won't hold me long enough. After all the fun times, jokes, and memories i've had online with videogames there no way i could ever go back to just playing the cpu, and thinking thats fun. Idk how people do it honestly.
Me neither. Haven't played against the AI in 2k since 2k1. And that was only for practice with running plays for my human leagues. I would actually spend more time in practice working on my shot than plays.

I guess some people can get their competitive juices flowing putting Lebron, Kobe, Derrick Rose and Dwight Howard on the same team.

I don't get it either.

I tell ya. Most only play the AI because they suck. They hate losing but still want to play the game.

So they take their sliders and make the game competitive for them. Even though when they meet a real person that plays regularly against real people they get crushed.
 
# 38 JCEVO @ 10/15/11 09:45 AM
Trust me i know i dont suck. Ill go toe to toe with the best or think there the best and prevail but let battle at each other home on the biggest screen tv we got playing offline. Online in sports game is a joke

Lol lol lol i just can't stop laughing. I think the sports genre would do well if online play didnt exist because well all online play in sports game sucks yet games like madden fifa and 2k sell pretty well with crappy online. To me these game companies are wasting resources trying to make online work instead using it where the money really is at in sports, OFFLINE PLAY!!

So really really online major concern really really!!
 
# 39 Mogriffjr @ 10/15/11 01:27 PM
Online hasn't been an issue to me. Maybe because 1- I don't play random cheesers and 2- Ive had 1 drop issue since I been online. I've played about 10-15 games online.

I play on a site that aims towards sim gaming so I don't worry about the garbage people want to call basketball online. First game online dude quits halfway through the game because I was beating him with the nets.

If anything the lack of customization with the OA is the biggest thing because they took out leagues for some reason and said specifically that commishes can control damn near anything in there. Now maybe when the website finally launches in November things may change but I'm not optimistic.
 
# 40 LouYorkCity @ 10/16/11 06:23 PM
There is major concerns with the online play.
We can't save any settings, such as camera or coach settings.
We can't play online with the shot feedback on.
We can't choose what player we want to use at any position on team ups (ex. Joe johnson cant run Point Guard like in 2k9,10&11.)
Hell we can't even select the uniform we want to play with..
This game took a MAJOR step back from the last few years.. i am very disappointed..
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