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MLB 2K11 Demo Impressions Roundtable

What are you impressions of the MLB 2K11 demo?


Chase Becotte: Every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in.

Most of my initial thoughts about MLB 2K11 can be found in the preview I wrote a couple days ago, but this demo basically serves to cement a lot of those impressions.

I gave up on MLB 2K10 shortly after picking it up last year, but right now I don't foresee the same thing happening this year. The big three of fielding, hitting and pitching all feel improved, and the subtraction of rocket-armed outfielders and the addition of more defined skill levels for fielders helps to extinguish a lot of the fielding criticisms I had last year. I'm also liking that the AI pitchers are actually walking batters, and when I'm on the mound, I feel like I can unintentionally walk batters as well.

To keep it simple, while I don't think this game is shaping up to be a masterpiece, it does feel like the folks working on the series are finally going downhill rather than uphill.

Christian McLeod: For once, I'm with Chase. If you can look past some of its rough graphical and animation edges, the MLB 2K11 demo plays a very solid game of hardball.

Based on multiple games with the 2K11 demo, it's great to see that the game's development team took many of 2K10's biggest issues to heart. Fielding is still not as enjoyable as it should be in a baseball game -- still a bit too automatic feeling for my liking -- but I am loving the new throw meter. To be honest, I think it may be the best throw meter I have used in a baseball game to date.

On the hitting side of things, one thing that immediately jumped out to me was the hit variety, displayed beautifully via the new camera angle. In all the time I spent with the demo, I don't think I witnessed the same hit more than a few times. I was most impressed with some of the ball physics I saw, particularly one where a ball flew into center field after it rocketed off the pitcher's mound.

Yes, Miguel Tejada's face looks like a potato, and yes, I was scratching my head when my players refused to deviate from their 90-degree angled route while rounding the bases. Even so, I quite enjoyed my time with the 2K11 demo. Let's just say I would not be completely surprised if this game sells well -- I think it's going to be a lot of fun to play.

Caley Roark: I'm with you guys: I think there is a fun game of baseball buried somewhere in 2K11. However, I'm not sure the demo reflects that. I saw too many flaws in the demo to truly say that 2K11 has improved a great deal over 2K10. (For the record, I thought 2K10 was much better than 2K9.)

First, we have to look past the crazy graphics to enjoy the way it plays. Normally, I'm ok with that, but, for me, the demo just had way too many graphical oddities. The aforementioned 90-degree turns on the basepaths; the alien hybrid that is Josh Hamilton; the slowdown every time I hit a ball deep; the way players sort of "jump" between animations as if they just remembered they had something important to do; and recycled animations, like the seemingly fast-forwarded stare down after an inside pitch.

I would not say these are deal breakers, but they are hard to overlook, at least in a demo. I'm hoping that they are fixed, or at least become less noticeable, in the final build.

Beyond that, I love the presentation graphics and can't wait to hear the dynamic commentary layered on top of them. I'm getting used to the batting camera, which does a good job of letting you track the pitch all the way to the catcher's mitt. Unlike Christian, I'm not digging the in-play "hit" camera. I'd rather use a regular broadcast camera, but that's just me.

I did notice some incorrect base-running AI as well. With no outs and a man on first and third, the computer decided not to score as I turned a double play (in a scoreless game). During the instant replay, it looked like the runner just sort of froze in his secondary lead.

Simply put, I'm not seeing, at least from the demo, the jump in quality that made me appreciate 2K10.

Chris Sanner: If you are not as into realism as a hardcore baseball guy is, and if you are willing to overlook some pretty dumb AI moves, I think MLB 2K11 is going to be your type of baseball game. The Show can be a bit overwhelming to the casual baseball player, and I think 2K has wisely tried not to copy The Show's success verbatim.

However, there are problems with the game that hardcore baseball types will not be able to overlook. For instance, the Giants pulled Lincecum in the second inning when I scored two quick runs -- though this may have had something to do with the shortened game. I also found hitting to be easy, but a bump up in skill levels will fix that. Nevertheless, the meat and potatoes of the game are improved over last year in every way. As my cohorts have pointed out, fielding, hitting and pitching are all different and improved in several little nuanced ways.

In short, the casual baseball fan who just wants a fun game of hardball will face an interesting decision for once this spring. MLB 2K11 is quite fun, and a lot of the issues from last year have been ironed out. While others will pop up I'm sure -- it's the series' mantra at this point -- MLB 2K11 should be a solid option for those who just want to play a fun game of baseball.


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# 21 smearz @ 03/04/11 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Greene_Flash03
He's not biased at all. Yes, he could've put that in better words but the fact is, The Show was the same game since 2006 minus the gorgeous graphics, tweaked animations, and some features.

Best example are the controls. Before the analog, The Show stuck to their plan even before this gen, which isn't a bad thing. Because I always believe in the saying "if it's not broken, don't fix it". So that's what they did.

Think about it, without the analog controls this year how is it different from last year? (gameplay wise)

*note*

I'm still confuse which one to get this year. I've been playing the show since old gen.
Sorry guys, as someone who has owned The Show every year since '08, and has given 2K its fair shake because I thought maybe "this is the year they get it right", I have to say that if you honestly feel that The Show has been the same game since '06, then either you haven't played it or you don't appreciate all the things that The Show gets right that add up to making it a complete baseball experience. Just because they just this year implemented analog controls doesn't mean they haven't changed anything since '06. The best way for me to put the way I feel is this - The Show feels like baseball. 2K feels like a not-quite-there approximation of baseball. Just my opinion. I don't mean to make this all about The Show, but people in this thread are straight-up disrespecting that game and there is no reason for it. 2K should thank The Show for lighting a fire under their butts.

But they did nail the commentary, I have to say. I think MLB 2K's commentary has to be considered some of the best work in all of sports games. And it'll be interesting to see how dynamic player ratings works.
 
# 22 jeffy777 @ 03/04/11 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
Regarding the AI walking human batters, in last year's game, when I got walked, I could just tell that it was going to be an at-bat where I'd get walked. Every time, the AI pitcher would throw 3 balls, then 1 strike, and then a ball on the last pitch. Is this the way it is in 2k11 or do you feel like you can swing at a ball every once in awhile and still eventually get walked in that at bat?
I worked a walk last night after being behind 0-2. It definitely feels like a real battle at the plate, which is why hitting is actually my favorite part of the game.
 
# 23 tinpanalley @ 03/04/11 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by smearz
if you honestly feel that The Show has been the same game since '06, then either you haven't played it or you don't appreciate all the things that The Show gets right that add up to making it a complete baseball experience.
Again with the self-righteous assumptions. Why can't it just be that we don't agree with you and have our own opinion? Why does anything not in line with your way of thinking make us wrong?

This is all personal opinion.
 
# 24 smearz @ 03/04/11 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tinpanalley
It's his opinion. It's supposed to be biased. By definition, in fact.
Nope. Bias in no way defines opinion. It is just one type of opinion.
Here's another one, an objective opinion. People should try it out.
 
# 25 smearz @ 03/04/11 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tinpanalley
Again with the self-righteous assumptions. Why can't it just be that we don't agree with you and have our own opinion? Why does anything not in line with your way of thinking make us wrong?

This is all personal opinion.
There's nothing self-righteous about what I said. It just strikes me as if you feel that way, you probably haven't played the game you are criticizing.
 
# 26 jmik58 @ 03/04/11 03:45 PM
The batting interface, the physics of the ball off the bat, and the tracking of the ball from pitcher to home are very nice and make this game great to play in the demo so far!
 
# 27 devroid @ 03/04/11 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by WAT
Just wanted to say something about how some think that MLB 2K11 is for the casual gamer. I played both demos with my brothers 18 year old friend who is not a big baseball fan or gamer at all. He was kinda like my guinea pig experiment to figure out which game he would consider better and have more fun with at the end of it all. (didnt tell him that though). Well we played MLB:The Show for about an hour when the demo first released. Funny thing was, he and I were both having fun when playing the game. After awhile though I started to get bored of throwing pitches with just an up and down motion on the stick. Also playing the whole guessing game of where the ball was going to be pitched and what was being thrown was getting really annoying. But my brothers friend was having a blast. With that said, when the demo for MLB 2K11 came out we played maybe 15 minutes of it. The reason it was only 15 minutes was becuase he wanted to go back to playing The Show for the fact he couldent get the pitching scheme down nor didnt like the fact you had to judge where the pitches were going instead of guessing where and what was coming. I was enjoying the game completley, finding it way more difficult and fun than The Show. What I'm getting at is this kid was having more fun and finding it way more easy pushing the stick up and down all day instead of having to perfect your stick skills the way you need to on MLB 2K11. And what game is for the casual gamer agian?
He wasn't saying casual gamer, he was saying casual baseball fan.
 
# 28 Greene_Flash03 @ 03/04/11 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by WAT
Just wanted to say something about how some think that MLB 2K11 is for the casual gamer. I played both demos with my brothers 18 year old friend who is not a big baseball fan or gamer at all. He was kinda like my guinea pig experiment to figure out which game he would consider better and have more fun with at the end of it all. (didnt tell him that though). Well we played MLB:The Show for about an hour when the demo first released. Funny thing was, he and I were both having fun when playing the game. After awhile though I started to get bored of throwing pitches with just an up and down motion on the stick. Also playing the whole guessing game of where the ball was going to be pitched and what was being thrown was getting really annoying. But my brothers friend was having a blast. With that said, when the demo for MLB 2K11 came out we played maybe 15 minutes of it. The reason it was only 15 minutes was becuase he wanted to go back to playing The Show for the fact he couldent get the pitching scheme down nor didnt like the fact you had to judge where the pitches were going instead of guessing where and what was coming. I was enjoying the game completley, finding it way more difficult and fun than The Show. What I'm getting at is this kid was having more fun and finding it way more easy pushing the stick up and down all day instead of having to perfect your stick skills the way you need to on MLB 2K11. And what game is for the casual gamer agian?
Very good example! As I said in my first post here, I truly believe 2k11 is a FUN and Sim baseball game. I really enjoy playing the demo, maybe because the game is much more challenging than I expected both hitting and pitching. Also, when you nailed a pitch or a hit, it feels rewarding.

As for the graphics, eh it's good enough for me to enjoy the whole experience. Honestly its not the 'graphics' the thing that bothers me are the player models and faces. that's all.

AND...

Players rounding bases looks awkward! Player getting stuck on the bases, I hope they fix that.
 
# 29 kennyacid @ 03/04/11 04:05 PM
Im a show guy ever since 989 sports BUT i must say i did enjoy this demo. It was a welcomed change. Im not a graphics guy so the look of the players didnt bother much. The gameplay felt good, did some nice double plays that had me goin WOW! . Am I goin toing to pick up the retail ? Not sure i want to blow 60 on a box of chocolates...might have to wait and see how others like it then ill see.
 
# 30 DirtyJerz32 @ 03/04/11 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffy777
I worked a walk last night after being behind 0-2. It definitely feels like a real battle at the plate, which is why hitting is actually my favorite part of the game.
This...

I also love the pitching also. Having the variable strike zones really make a difference this year.
 
# 31 Ollienyy @ 03/04/11 04:20 PM
Just my 2 cents (fun article to read guys BTW) is that I totally disagree with the casual baseball fan part given to 2k11. I honestly think, having played both games, that 2K is the more in depth. Earlier incarnations, 2k6-8 mostly, have seemed to hinge on the arcadey side but ever since VC took over in 2K9, we have seen a bigger shift to a game that is actually more rewarding in the battle between the batter and the pitcher. So much so that getting in a 0-2 count and working back up feels so much more rewarding and realistic to me then another game I could mention. Fielding has lagged behind a lot but it looks like they are starting to concentrate on that. This is just my opinion after all, coming from someone who is not a huge gamer, but is (I like to think) a Huge baseball fan. Some articles, including Pasta Padres recent rather dismissive impressions, seem to not even give the game a chance, so ingrained to the mistakes of the past and graphical splendor of another game. Especially when it has been revealed that the Demo is from a very EARLY build. Really we can't go the "this game is crap" root until we have it in our hands or at least see some youtube videos from legit owners of the game.

Also want to point out, some posts from the other games fans have been on the fine line between trolling and posting. Those posts have been reported as such. This game is not perfect, neither is the other one. In an ideal world we would have two great games. But defending one or the other to the death, ignoring other peoples views is not the way to go about it, it's a childish thing and something that needs to be put an end to in this forum. I still think an age limit of 16+ should be enforced on these boards to weed some of these posters out but thats for another post.

Anyway, Rant Over.
 
# 32 Spongedaddy @ 03/04/11 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ollienyy
Just my 2 cents (fun article to read guys BTW) is that I totally disagree with the casual baseball fan part given to 2k11. I honestly think, having played both demos, that 2K is the more in depth. Earlier incarnations, 2k6-8 mostly, have seemed to hinge on the arcadey side but ever since VC took over in 2K9, we have seen a bigger shift to a game that is actually more rewarding in the battle between the batter and the pitcher. Fielding has lagged behind a lot but it looks like they are starting to concentrate on that. Some articles, including Pasta Padres recent rather dismissive impressions, seem to not even give the game a chance, so ingrained to the mistakes of the past and graphical splendor of another game. Especially when it has been revealed that the Demo is from a very EARLY build.

Also want to point out, some posts from the other games fans have been on the fine line between trolling and posting. Those posts have been reported as such. This game is not perfect, neither is the other one. In an ideal world we would have two great games. But defending one or the other to the death, ignoring other peoples views is not the way to go about it, it's a childish thing and something that needs to be put an end to in this forum. I still think an age limit of 16+ should be enforced on these boards to weed some of these posters out but thats for another post.

Anyway, Rant Over.
I like 2K and am buying it this year...but...you have played 2 demos. It's impossible to tell which game is deeper at this point. There will always be haters when it comes to sports games. I could care less. The bottom line is what will I enjoy.
 
# 33 DirtyJerz32 @ 03/04/11 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tvman
So i guess not being able to compare one game to the other just went out the door now that i see OS writers doing it in a 2K forum, lol.

Can't begin to imagine what would have happened if this had been done in the show forums!
Lol, really?

Other than this, The Show can be a bit overwhelming to the casual baseball player, and I think 2K has wisely tried not to copy The Show's success verbatim. Were did the compare the two?
 
# 34 Knight165 @ 03/04/11 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jayhawker
What kind of back-handed BS is that? After the work 2K put into differentiating the fielders and pitchers, and the dynamic ratings, you could argue that 2K11 is on the verge of becoming the most realistic game on the market.

And while it may not be there yet, the notion that The Show is overwhelming to the casual fan is beyond a joke. In fact, it's reliance on style over substance, as it looks amazing, it exactly what draws in the casual fans that don't nail The show for its problems.

But I've seen this kind of comment from the community day guys enough to know that they are just carrying out more of Sony's PR for them. But it really had no place in this look at the 2K demo.

You know what...
I'm getting tired of THIS B.S.
Getting called out for being able to partake in SCEA's CD is getting old.
I'm sorry but this $%^^ has got to stop.

M.K.
Knight165
 
# 35 TexasBorn1 @ 03/04/11 04:40 PM
I am happy with 2k11 this year. The revamped fielding, dynamic player ratings, hitting and pitching controls are what sold me based on the demo. No its not a pretty game like some have said, Josh Hamilton & some other players look...very strange and are only recognizable by name/number, but I had a lot of fun and that is what matters most. I agree that the animations are lacking and sometimes the pitchers look uninterested during cutscenes, but they definitely got the gameplay down. It feels like my inputs matter and its not completely random. I also love that they have stats everywhere and the inside edge system
 
# 36 DirtyJerz32 @ 03/04/11 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tvman
But it's still a comparison! That is not supposed to be allowed at all.
Ok, I think we're done here. Let's move on.
 
# 37 ryan36 @ 03/04/11 04:46 PM
Keep it about the article guys. Articles are news items , and our writers will compare games in their thoughts. You can take issue with the article's content and give feedback here.

The PERSONAL ATTACKS need to stop
 
# 38 DirtyJerz32 @ 03/04/11 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ryan36
Keep it about the article guys. Articles are news items , and our writers will compare games in their thoughts. You can take issue with the article's content and give feedback here.

The PERSONAL ATTACKS need to stop
That's why I said we're done. Sorry about that.
 
# 39 rudyjuly2 @ 03/04/11 04:54 PM
The more I play the 2K11 demo the more I like the game. It's too easy on the default settings but I think the game will play really well with difficulty level and/or slider adjustments.

MLB 2K11 does lack polish in some areas but I think people overuse this to suggest that 2K can't be sim and is just for the casual baseball fan (it's a bit elitist at times). Just because the AI has some quirks doesn't mean the batting and pitching engine can't be realistic which is the basis of all great baseball games. I'm absolutely in love with the bat off the ball physics in the demo. Huge improvement over 2K10 in this area.
 
# 40 bigfnjoe96 @ 03/04/11 05:00 PM
I changed my profile & was shocked when my SS didn't move for a ball hit in the hole.

This should be a fun fielding experience

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