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What are your impressions of the MLB '11: The Show Demo?

Christian McLeod:
To be perfectly honest, I didn't come away as blown away by the MLB 11 demo as I thought I would. Upon initially hearing about the new analog hitting, pitching and fielding scheme I was overjoyed. If any franchise needed to adopt analog controls, it was The Show. The implementation of both the new analog hitting mechanics and pitching mechanics work well enough (throwing in the field is another story), but the rest of the game feels like a carbon copy of MLB 10, which felt darn near like a carbon copy of MLB 09.

In the two-plus hours I spent with the demo, I was hard pressed to notice any new animations, something I was sure that I would see because of the new control schemes, and I was especially bummed to find out that Eric Karros' commentary was actually a downgrade from The Show's oft-criticized color man Rex Hudler. Graphically the game looks like a slight downgrade from MLB10 -- something that may have to do with the constraints of the demo. Player models look fantastic though, and the absence of T-Rex arms is very noticeable.

At this point in its lifespan, I think we have really seen all that the MLB franchise has to offer, and I can see it becoming a victim of its own success this season. It's almost not fair to knock a game that is as technically superb as The Show has become, it's just that I'm growing increasingly bored with the on-field product, much like I am with EA's NHL series. There isn't really anything wrong with the way the MLB 11 demo plays, it just is not all that exciting after three solid years -- mainly because of predictable batted-ball trajectories, foul ball cut scenes and player animations. I was sure analog controls would inject some much=needed life into one of my favorite sports gaming franchises of all time, yet based on the demo, they didn't quite make the impact on the game that I had expected.


Some think The Show could be washed up, not unlike Manny Ramirez.

Dustin Toms: I'm with Christian. This is arguably one of the most disappointing demos to date.

Thanks to the nice long download time of two hours, the anticipation only grew, but it was nothing but letdown in the end. Firstly, it feels just like MLB 10, and that is both good and bad. Last year when '10 came out people were upset with how unchanged it was compared to '09. Well, most people won't be happy because it feels like there is even less change in the game.

The game does look beautiful, as usual. You can notice the improvements on that front, and it helps to show why The Show has the best graphical presentation of any sports game. As for the new controls, I have never been big on analog controls -- they just bother me. I like my buttons. It's the same here. Regardless, the controls work well, especially for pitching. One problem I saw, though, was the delayed reaction when fielding and throwing a simple grounder to a base.

Hopefully, the retail version will be better and this is simply a stripped-down demo.

Caley Roark: I was also a little underwhelmed, but not as disappointed as my colleagues. I say underwhelmed because, outside of analog controls, the game plays much like MLB '10, which really is a good thing. There was nothing earth-shaking in the demo; even the analog controls did not seem that revolutionary -- probably because I have played NCAA Baseball and MLB 2K10.

I suppose, however, that is the course that we should expect from Sony and MLB. It's kind of the anti-Madden approach. Instead of throwing in flashy gimmicks on the back of the box that may or may not stick, MLB has been carefully groomed over time. So, when playing from year to year, nothing tends to really blow me away -- but I know it will play well.

So, back to the demo, it does play very well. I like the analog controls, even though I thought the pitching seemed a little finicky; I could not always get the "upswing" to go where I wanted it to go. And, you have to be really focused the entire pitch -- no more mindless and rhythmic button presses.

The same can be said of hitting. Analog swinging, I think, will help me take more pitches, since it forces you to be focused the entire pitch.

I was disappointed with the repetitive commentary and some funky animations. I am hopeful, though, that the biggest improvements to this game -- weather, custom cameras, revamped Road to the Show -- will surface when the full game drops in a couple of weeks. 


Of course, many still see the Show as being in it's prime a-la Joe Mauer.


Chase Becotte: Who pooped in your guys' cereal? Really, I want to know.

I mean come on, the game doesn't feel different? The graphics in the game are a downgrade from last year's? Go back to MLB '10, and tell me the lighting and player models in MLB 11 aren't improvements. Go back to MLB 10, and talk to me about the feel of the analog controls in that game. Oh wait...

Look, I get that some people get fatigued by a series or grow tired of one, but that should not take away from what's here. If someone picked this game up today having not played a baseball game in a couple years, he or she would absolutely freak out.

As for the demo itself, I think it's a testament to the series that I could have an eight pitch at-bat with Aubrey Huff using the analog controls, then switch back to the old-school zone hitting and have a 10 pitch at-bat with Pablo Sandoval. It not only shows that you can have a similar experience with both control schemes, it once again shows how amazing the battles can still be in this game on a bat-to-bat basis.

The AI should never be overlooked here either. During one game I played, C.J. Wilson was under the gun in the fourth inning and going up against Huff. With a runner on second, Wilson clearly decided he was going to try and make Huff fish. He proceeded to throw virtual Huff five straight sliders (only one of which was a borderline strike), and I just could not lay off. That's awesome, and it will always be awesome.

As for the controls, it's hard for me to figure out what I'll end up doing with the control schemes. I enjoyed each one of the analog control schemes, but if the PCI is improved enough (hard to tell without playing more games with more teams), then I'll still stick with zone hitting because I have always struggled to check swing and work the count with analog controls in baseball games. I love meter-based pitching, but both systems seems so solid, I will, again, have to play more games with more teams. However, I definitely will be sticking with analog fielding. It was weird (and even seemed broken) at first, but then I realized that you just have to be super gentle with the sticks. Once that revelation came together with my thumbs, everything went smoothly.

In short, The Show still does pitcher vs. batter duels better than any other series ever, and that is what's always going to matter the most when battling through a 162 game marathon.


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Member Comments
# 1 Socalbias @ 02/25/11 04:50 PM
Already thread for that, but THANKS!!

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ions-here.html
 
# 2 Qb @ 02/25/11 04:56 PM
This is a front page feature article, not another impressions thread.

Way to tell the troof, Chase!
 
# 3 Socalbias @ 02/25/11 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Qb
This is a front page feature article, not another impressions thread.

Way to tell the troof, Chase!

It's an article based on impressions that doesn't need it's on thread.
 
# 4 Raskal @ 02/25/11 05:06 PM
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but some people expect too much change on sports games that are forced into a 1 year development cycle. Gotta wait for the next platform for that.

If it's not broke, don't fix it, perfect it.
 
# 5 econoodle @ 02/25/11 05:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Socalbias
It's an article based on impressions that doesn't need it's on thread.
SocialBias,
The guys who wrote this are staff writers. They write articles on a regular basis on here [including many Roundtable discussions], check the homepage.


I always like these.
 
# 6 Pared @ 02/25/11 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Socalbias
It's an article based on impressions that doesn't need it's on thread.
This is an Operation Sports article, not random impressions from forum members.

There is a difference. This thread is to discuss what you think of the article, while the thread you linked to is for forum members to give their own impressions.

Hopefully that will clear up the confusion for you.
 
# 7 Socalbias @ 02/25/11 05:40 PM
Alrite thanks guys, got confused a little bit.

I love the demo, I think most of the criticism that it looks the same as the older versions is because its THAT good of a game. This isn't a COD/Battlefield shooter game that brings in HUNDREDS of millions of dollars and have a 2year time zone, so I don't expect SO much change from an already flawless game.

With that said, I love the new controls. They definitely are a new learning curve which this game NEEDED. Cannot wait till the real game comes out.
 
# 8 snaz16 @ 02/25/11 05:43 PM
Couldn't agree more with Chase,Raskal,and Qb. After playing the demo,I went and popped in
'10" and went to SF w/night start against Texas,and to me there's no comparison in graphics. Colors are sharper,late day to night transition is gorgeous( sky actually got that orange tint as the sun fades) and the player bodies are much improved. Shots down the lines actually get to the corner wall where as they don't seem to have the "friction" slow down. Add in custom camera angles,the ability to mix and match uniforms,etc, and its worth it for me. Remember how good Tony LaRussa baseball was until the clamoring for change resulted in a steaming turd that T. LaRussa 4 turned out to be,that spelled the end of that series.Be careful what you wish for.
 
# 9 econoodle @ 02/25/11 05:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Socalbias
Alrite thanks guys, got confused a little bit.

I love the demo, I think most of the criticism that it looks the same as the older versions is because its THAT good of a game. This isn't a COD/Battlefield shooter game that brings in HUNDREDS of millions of dollars and have a 2year time zone, so I don't expect SO much change from an already flawless game.

With that said, I love the new controls. They definitely are a new learning curve which this game NEEDED. Cannot wait till the real game comes out.


Hey there's already an Impressions thread!

lol
just kidding.
 
# 10 Jgainsey @ 02/25/11 05:51 PM


Ha! I though the first post social bias made was pretty funny... though I only thought it was funny because I assumed he was being sarcastic. Either way, it's still just as funny that he told a staff writer his thread was redundant.


Anyways, back on topic. I have to agree with Chase on his impression, as well as his take on the other opinions. I'm not exactly sure what people are looking for this deep into the life of The Show on the PS3. Usually when a game feels drastically different than previous versions, it means that those previous games sucked.
 
# 11 Heroesandvillains @ 02/25/11 05:55 PM
Christian,

I can assure you that there are an ABUNDANCE of new animations in the demo!

Quit button mashing! LOL

Seriously, I really don't understand how you could have spent 2 hours with the demo and not have seen any new animations.
 
# 12 N51_rob @ 02/25/11 05:57 PM
Seems like a lot guys have severely inflated expectations of a Demo that is 2 1/2 months old.
 
# 13 Raskal @ 02/25/11 06:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by N51_rob
Seems like a lot guys have severely inflated expectations of a Demo that is 2 1/2 months old.
In their defense, the demo is supposed to be a representation of the final product.
 
# 14 Entiae @ 02/25/11 06:03 PM
I'm with Chase on this one.
His impressions even made me a little bit more excited about this game.
 
# 15 speedtrucker @ 02/25/11 06:08 PM
wow someone remembered NCAA MVP baseball! that is still my favorite baseball game on the xbox and actually still prefer it over the current gen systems...
 
# 16 PorkChopDodger87 @ 02/25/11 06:16 PM
Alot of demos say this is not a final design of the finished product
 
# 17 jcmreds @ 02/25/11 06:19 PM
I played over 100 games of The Show 2010, and I saw plenty of improvents and new animations(especially on defense)in the demo.
 
# 18 Skyboxer @ 02/25/11 06:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskal
In their defense, the demo is supposed to be a representation of the final product.
No. Not really. It's a representation of the game but not a final product. Hence the disclaimers.

In any case i think some staff writers need a visit to eye doctor.
 
# 19 PorkChopDodger87 @ 02/25/11 06:22 PM
I love this game it never disappoints me and the demo doesn't disappoint either IMO
 
# 20 Two Seamer @ 02/25/11 06:25 PM
So far, I agree with the first three writers in the article. Nothing about the demo excited me much in terms of newness. I noticed the better player models and graphics and enjoyed some of the analog play, but underwhelming is a good characterization overall.

Having said that, guess who will still be buying this damn thing on day 1 and playing it for hours? Yours truly. Because dude, The Show! It's still the best baseball game ever made, and even minor upgrades to last year would be worth it to me.

So I can whine and hope for more additions and improvements down the line (and I will! ), but the bottom line is I still love this game through and through.
 

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