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MLB The Show 17 Gameplay Livestream Breakdown

09:12 PM - February 9, 2017 by Steve_OS

We had our own MLB The Show 17 twitch stream, right after Sony Interactive Entertainment had theirs. Make sure you are subscribed to our Twitch channel, so you get notified when we go LIVE.

In this MLB The Show 17 gameplay breakdown, Millennium runs through the entire stream and points out plenty of details you might not have noticed. Give it a watch and post your thoughts and don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel.

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# 21 El_MaYiMbE @ 02/13/17 05:09 PM

Perfect example....Go to minute 25:00 of the Deep Dive Gameplay on Twitch.

Kipnis is at the plate, he has a long swing, and hits ball to SS.
He has a 67 speed rating.

SS fields ball, takes his time, and Kipnis is running out of the box the same way he would've had it been a double in the gap (there is no difference between a double he hits, and ground ball out...he would have ran out the box the exact same way). The SS throws to first and its a bang bang play.

As per MLB 17's new fielding logic, the SS had plenty of time to throw to 1B, and he did because he got him out. But the runner was running at the same speed as he would have had there been a DP opportunity. As far as the baserunner is concerned it only took one thing into account......Kipnis has a 67 speed rating, and it will take him "x" amount of seconds to get to first....nothing else. Yet with the new fielding logic, the SS took the following into account:

1. Kipnis is a 67 rating
2. Ball was sharply hit
3. SS has a decent arm
4. His feet are set
5. I have plenty of time to throw him out

Why is the SS (all fielders) smarter than the runner? The runner should have taken all that into a account as well, and not ran at the same speed he would have ran had it been a double in the gap.

In the context of a video games it means nothing. An out is an out....but for realism sake it does mean something. The player would take numbers 1-5 that I referenced above into account, and would decide it is not worth exerting that much energy if I am going to be out, so let me just jog. The fielder made the same analysis and decided to not rush and make a clean throw....why wasn't the runner granted the same "logic"?

Like I said above, what they did with the fielding is an improvement and more realistic, but they forgot about the other side of the ball.

Here is link: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/120907599 (minute 25-26).

# 22 Woodweaver @ 02/13/17 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by El_MaYiMbE


	Perfect example....Go to minute 25:00 of the Deep Dive Gameplay on Twitch. Kipnis is at the plate, he has a long swing, and hits ball to SS. He has a 67 speed rating. SS fields ball, takes his time, and Kipnis is running out of the box the same way he would've had it been a double in the gap (there is no difference between a double he hits, and ground ball out...he would have ran out the box the exact same way). The SS throws to first and its a bang bang play. As per MLB 17's new fielding logic, the SS had plenty of time to throw to 1B, and he did because he got him out. But the runner was running at the same speed as he would have had there been a DP opportunity. As far as the baserunner is concerned it only took one thing into account......Kipnis has a 67 speed rating, and it will take him "x" amount of seconds to get to first....nothing else. Yet with the new fielding logic, the SS took the following into account: 1. Kipnis is a 67 rating 2. Ball was sharply hit 3. SS has a decent arm 4. His feet are set 5. I have plenty of time to throw him out Why is the SS (all fielders) smarter than the runner? The runner should have taken all that into a account as well, and not ran at the same speed he would have ran had it been a double in the gap. In the context of a video games it means nothing. An out is an out....but for realism sake it does mean something. The player would take numbers 1-5 that I referenced above into account, and would decide it is not worth exerting that much energy if I am going to be out, so let me just jog. The fielder made the same analysis and decided to not rush and make a clean throw....why wasn't the runner granted the same "logic"? Like I said above, what they did with the fielding is an improvement and more realistic, but they forgot about the other side of the ball. Here is link: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/120907599 (minute 25-26).

Not sure if it has changed this year (or just bugged in the build on the feed), but I know for at least the last couple years the runners "have not run as hard" on hard hits directly to infielders with no runners on base (i.e. hits which will most likely result in the runner being out by a large margin). These decisions were based on the exact numbered criteria you list above...

# 23 El_MaYiMbE @ 02/13/17 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodweaver


	Not sure if it has changed this year (or just bugged in the build on the feed), but I know for at least the last few years the runners "have not run as hard" on hard hits directly infielders (or hits which most likely result in the runner being out by a large margin). These decisions were based on the exact number criteria you list above...

I am sorry guys, this is not true.

Either I am way off, or if it is true it has never been implemented properly. As far as I can tell, in this series, the runners do not adjust how they run based on how much perceived time they have to reach base safely (or not).

Once the bat is dropped and the player finishes the swing animation, the player runs the same speed until an out is made or they have reached the base, without taking anything else into account.

And I am conceding that different swing and run animations, and how they are combined cause players to seem to run with more or less urgency. But the animation type dictates the perceived urgency (or lack of)..... not the play that is unfolding in front of them.

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# 24 Woodweaver @ 02/13/17 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by El_MaYiMbE


	I am sorry guys, this is not true. Either I am way off, or if it is true it has never been implemented properly. As far as I can tell, in this series, the runners do not adjust how they run based on how much perceived time they have to reach base safely (or not). Once the bat is dropped and the player finishes the swing animation, the player runs the same speed until an out is made or they have reached the base, without taking anything else into account. And I am conceding that different swing and run animations, and how they are combined cause players to seem to run with more or less urgency. But the animation type dictates the perceived urgency (or lack of)..... not the play that is unfolding in front of them. Sent from my Pixel using Operation Sports mobile app

Well, I guess you would know better than I.

# 25 BlacknBlue @ 02/13/17 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by El_MaYiMbE


	I am sorry guys, this is not true. Either I am way off, or if it is true it has never been implemented properly. As far as I can tell, in this series, the runners do not adjust how they run based on how much perceived time they have to reach base safely (or not). Once the bat is dropped and the player finishes the swing animation, the player runs the same speed until an out is made or they have reached the base, without taking anything else into account. And I am conceding that different swing and run animations, and how they are combined cause players to seem to run with more or less urgency. But the animation type dictates the perceived urgency (or lack of)..... not the play that is unfolding in front of them. Sent from my Pixel using Operation Sports mobile app

You are incorrect. You need to go back and play '16 and pay attention to the runners coming out of the batter's box.

If I knew how to search these forums at all I would find the vlog from last year with this being demonstrated. But you also have a developer coming in and telling you that it is programmed into the game already.

# 26 kehlis @ 02/13/17 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by El_MaYiMbE


	I am sorry guys, this is not true. Either I am way off, or if it is true it has never been implemented properly. As far as I can tell, in this series, the runners do not adjust how they run based on how much perceived time they have to reach base safely (or not). Once the bat is dropped and the player finishes the swing animation, the player runs the same speed until an out is made or they have reached the base, without taking anything else into account. And I am conceding that different swing and run animations, and how they are combined cause players to seem to run with more or less urgency. But the animation type dictates the perceived urgency (or lack of)..... not the play that is unfolding in front of them. Sent from my Pixel using Operation Sports mobile app

I'm going to go ahead and trust the one of you two that is a developer for the game.

# 27 El_MaYiMbE @ 02/13/17 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodweaver


	Well, I guess you would know better then I.

Lol obviously not....

But I see it in the twitch feed just as its been in MLB 16, and have always thought this should be better while playing the series. If its in there, its not done properly. It must be more subtle than the new animations chosen for the fielders.

When a fielder fields the ball in 17, there is a big difference between a rushed throw and a slow toss.

If MLB 16 had baserunner urgency tweaked, it was not obvious enough.

# 28 Bullit @ 02/13/17 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodweaver


	Well, I guess you would know better then I.

# 29 El_MaYiMbE @ 02/13/17 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kehlis


	I'm going to go ahead and trust the one of you two that is a developer for the game.

I trust it is in there after hearing from horses mouth, but I do not think it is being exercised properly.

But thats my opinion and I do not work on the game, so yeah....

# 30 knich @ 02/13/17 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BlacknBlue


	You are incorrect. You need to go back and play '16 and pay attention to the runners coming out of the batter's box. If I knew how to search these forums at all I would find the vlog from last year with this being demonstrated. But you also have a developer coming in and telling you that it is programmed into the game already.

I can't recall if there was a vlog from '16 on this. But it was on one of the twitch streams where I think Woodweaver himself demonstrated it. Except for on 3rd out, I have not seen where player stops running 1/4-1/2 way up line. The runner usually stops running about 3/4 way up line.

# 31 underdog13 @ 02/13/17 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by knich


	I can't recall if there was a vlog from '16 on this. But it was on one of the twitch streams where I think Woodweaver himself demonstrated it. Except for on 3rd out, I have not seen where player stops running 1/4-1/2 way up line. The runner usually stops running about 3/4 way up line.

I remember that stream, although playing the game I've never noticed them slow down.

# 32 El_MaYiMbE @ 02/13/17 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by underdog13


	I remember that stream, although playing the game I've never noticed them slow down.

Me either....

Woodweaver said it's possible bug in build showed on Twitch. In all honesty I don't think it was ever working....

Hopefully this sheds some light on something that should be working but isn't......Or maybe it's just me.

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# 33 bcruise @ 02/14/17 03:59 AM

Here's a '16 vid of the runner slowdown on a hard hit , but routine out guys:

Peralta is 61 speed, which is not all that fast, but he's definitely faster than this at full effort.

I'm guessing a good guidepost for whether or not you're going to see this is if the fielder plays the ball (cleanly) around the time batter leaves his "out of the box" animation. In this play it looks like he's out of the box first, but it's still pretty close. But it's an obvious routine play where the runner knows he'll be out without some kind of error (which I almost obliged with!). That's the kind of play you'll see this on.

# 34 El_MaYiMbE @ 02/14/17 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bcruise


	Here's a '16 vid of the runner slowdown on a hard hit , but routine out guys: Peralta is 61 speed, which is not all that fast, but he's definitely faster than this at full effort. I'm guessing a good guidepost for whether or not you're going to see this is if the fielder plays the ball (cleanly) around the time batter leaves his "out of the box" animation. In this play it looks like he's out of the box first, but it's still pretty close. But it's an obvious routine play where the runner knows he'll be out without some kind of error (which I almost obliged with!). That's the kind of play you'll see this on.

Thank you for taking the time to look this up and proving me incorrect about MLB 16 lol....

Still in the video I shared with Kipnis, it was a little concerning.The video showed multiple bang bang plays with Kipnis grounding out to SS, where the SS took his time. So either Kipnis was running too hard on those plays, or the SS should not have been taking his time....in my opinion, Kipnis should have been running slower as it was almost a guaranteed out (provided there is a good throw)....which lead to this whole discussion.

However, seeing that it did exist to some extent in MLB 16 at least gives me hope that it just is not part of the build that we saw last week.

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