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PS4 Pro Will Run NBA 2K17 at Native 4K Resolution, 60 FPS with HDR Support

12:08 PM - October 12, 2016 by Steve_OS

While it was mentioned last month that NBA 2K17 would support HDR on the PlayStation 4, GameSpot has confirmed the PlayStation 4 Pro will run at a native 4K resolution at 60 FPS.

For those of you on a 1080p display, it will still render a 4K resolution, resulting in "much better anti-aliasing" with HDR support.

2K told us the patch will be available prior to launch of the PlayStation 4 Pro console, which is scheduled to release on November 10 for $399.99.

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# 41 Crossover1 @ 10/14/16 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dmanning2


	Would love this also. I'll never happen because Sony/Xbox loses so much. Many people don't know every time a PS4/XBONE is sold Sony/Microsoft loses money.

Prior consoles used to sell at a loss but not this gen. Both Sony and Microsoft have said they profit from the current consoles although it is believed to be a minor amount.

# 42 BigDaddyHolmes @ 10/14/16 02:27 PM

So, let me get this straight.

I have a gtx 970 OC/ 4790k OC/ 16GB ram and I can't even run the game consistently over 60 fps with ultra/ 2x msaa settings, and they can get the ps4 pro to 4k 60 fps?

That tells me how bad they are screwing over the pc fanbase.

# 43 fluent2332 @ 10/14/16 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDaddyHolmes


	So, let me get this straight. I have a gtx 970 OC/ 4790k OC/ 16GB ram and I can't even run the game consistently over 60 fps with ultra/ 2x msaa settings, and they can get the ps4 pro to 4k 60 fps? That tells me how bad they are screwing over the pc fanbase.

Strike that and reverse it. That tells me that the PS4 Pro version is going to be far from a PC with ultra settings.

I have almost the same PC as you and 2K16 wouldn't even hit a consistent 60 FPS @ 4K on the highest settings. If I recall it would dip around 45 during live action.

# 44 Rockie_Fresh88 @ 10/14/16 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fluent2332


	Strike that and reverse it. That tells me that the PS4 Pro version is going to be far from a PC with ultra settings. I have almost the same PC as you and 2K16 wouldn't even hit a consistent 60 FPS @ 4K on the highest settings. If I recall it would dip around 45 during live action.

I doubt the game will be ultra settings . Also keep in mind that running a game on Pc is different from running a game on PS4.

# 45 fluent2332 @ 10/14/16 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockie_Fresh88


	I doubt the game will be ultra settings . Also keep in mind that running a game on Pc is different from running a game on PS4.

In the end it comes down to processing power, though. A console with lesser specs than a powerful gaming PC is not going to be able to play games at the same settings the gaming PC would be able to.

The PS4 Pro will probably be 4K @ 60 FPS as advertised, but barring some miracle you're not going to get maximum graphical settings at that framerate like you would on a powerful (and much more expensive) gaming PC.

The console will also look better than previous consoles, sure. It will most likely look really nice on a nice 4K TV, too. Some of us already have had games on PC in 4K looking beautiful on a 4K TV (shameless plug for my YouTube channel - Search for "Oblivion Let's Play in 4K" and you'll see my 4K Let's Play I uploaded awhile back).

However, even a game like Witcher 3, for example, in 4K @ 60 FPS and Ultra settings is going to take a graphics card even more powerful and expensive than what I have. I could probably run Witcher 3 @ 4K - 60 FPS on Medium or so (haven't tried) and I have a graphics card that ALONE costs the same amount of money as the PS4 Pro console!

# 46 dwnz @ 10/14/16 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fluent2332


	In the end it comes down to processing power, though. A console with lesser specs than a powerful gaming PC is not going to be able to play games at the same settings the gaming PC would be able to. The PS4 Pro will probably be 4K @ 60 FPS as advertised, but barring some miracle you're not going to get maximum graphical settings at that framerate like you would on a powerful (and much more expensive) gaming PC. The console will also look better than previous consoles, sure. It will most likely look really nice on a nice 4K TV, too. Some of us already have had games on PC in 4K looking beautiful on a 4K TV (shameless plug for my YouTube channel - Search for "Oblivion Let's Play in 4K" and you'll see my 4K Let's Play I uploaded awhile back). However, even a game like Witcher 3, for example, in 4K @ 60 FPS and Ultra settings is going to take a graphics card even more powerful and expensive than what I have. I could probably run Witcher 3 @ 4K - 60 FPS on Medium or so (haven't tried) and I have a graphics card that ALONE costs the same amount of money as the PS4 Pro console!

I don't think anybody (including 2K) have claimed it would be at the equivalent of PC ultra settings (or even anything close), so I'm not sure why that is even being debated.

# 47 joosegoose @ 10/14/16 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fluent2332


	Strike that and reverse it. That tells me that the PS4 Pro version is going to be far from a PC with ultra settings. I have almost the same PC as you and 2K16 wouldn't even hit a consistent 60 FPS @ 4K on the highest settings. If I recall it would dip around 45 during live action.

I think it's going to be some of both. Some settings will have to be reduced of course, but the game also is/will be much more optimized for PS4 than it is for PC right now. Heck, try even taking a PC with a 750ti (matches a console) right now and getting it to run the same as it does on XB1/PS4. I don't think you'd come very close.

# 48 fluent2332 @ 10/14/16 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dwnz


	I don't think anybody (including 2K) have claimed it would be at the equivalent of PC ultra settings (or even anything close), so I'm not sure why that is even being debated.

Right, they leave that part out of the marketing. You have to think of how the "average consumer" views this type of marketing. If you asked one of them about the 4K consoles they likely think the graphics will be the best-of-the-best because they are 4K. It was just an observation I made on how they are marketing these 4K consoles.

# 49 Rockie_Fresh88 @ 10/14/16 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by joosegoose


	I think it's going to be some of both. Some settings will have to be reduced of course, but the game also is/will be much more optimized for PS4 than it is for PC right now. Heck, try even taking a PC with a 750ti (matches a console) right now and getting it to run the same as it does on XB1/PS4. I don't think you'd come very close.

That's the key word -optimized

# 50 Impetuous65 @ 10/14/16 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockie_Fresh88


	I doubt the game will be ultra settings . Also keep in mind that running a game on Pc is different from running a game on PS4.

Comparing a Console to a PC, in terms of Video Games is one

A console is a dedicated device, and the PS4 can be coded to the metal, they know exactly what the over head is and what it is sharing resources with. Hence why Console manufacturers will put 8GB of Ram in their system and take away 1gb of ram for the OS and reduce the cost off that OS memory over time once they get better at coding to the system. So a dev starts out with 7gb of ram and a dedicated device.

A PC has so much stuff that need resources that are running behind the scene and are sharing resources with several programs, that is why a your PC can't handle what a dedicated device can.

Furthermore we don't know the complete break down of the PS4 Pro because they haven't made it public, especially the custom chips.

# 51 fluent2332 @ 10/14/16 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Impetuous65


	Comparing a Console to a PC, in terms of Video Games is one A console is a dedicated device, and the PS4 can be coded to the metal, they know exactly what the over head is and what it is sharing resources with. Hence why Console manufacturers will put 8GB of Ram in their system and take away 1gb of ram for the OS and reduce the cost off that OS memory over time once they get better at coding to the system. So a dev starts out with 7gb of ram and a dedicated device. A PC has so much stuff that need resources that are running behind the scene and are sharing resources with several programs, that is why a your PC can't handle what a dedicated device can. Furthermore we don't know the complete break down of the PS4 Pro because they haven't made it public, especially the custom chips.

My PC can't handle what a "dedicated device" can? That's not true. A powerful PC rig will handle anything a console can do and still have resources to spare (as it's been for many years now).

It's nice that they can develop for a "dedicated device" but even with Windows 10 running and several apps open a powerful PC can do more than a console, lol. Also, the latest consoles are basically back to PC-style architecture anyway.

I'm not saying consoles are bad or anything. They serve their purpose (for now, until PC gaming in the living room becomes more of a common thing). They have a large community of players and exclusive games, etc.

# 52 DreamAgain @ 10/14/16 07:51 PM

The main reason you guys can't run 2k17 @ 4k60 on PC is most likely VRAM limitations. The 970 is limited to 3.5gb of VRAM and 2k is using 4gb+. Simply put - the 970 is not a 4k capable GPU in most scenarios. It's more of a 1440p (or maybe even 1080p at this point) card.

Consoles on the other hand are designed differently and can take full advantage of their 8gb of ram.

This is why, in general, most console ports on PC have been getting out of control on vram usage. It's a mix between poor optimization and just how the game engines are designed in general. Properly optimized games or PC exclusives are using much less VRAM than the typical lazy console port.

And yes the PS4 Pro is as powerful or more than a 970. It's using a card slightly lower than RX 480 specs which is slightly faster than a 970.

# 53 fluent2332 @ 10/14/16 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DreamAgain


	The main reason you guys can't run 2k17 @ 4k60 on PC is most likely VRAM limitations. The 970 is limited to 3.5gb of VRAM and 2k is using 4gb+. Simply put - the 970 is not a 4k capable GPU in most scenarios. It's more of a 1440p (or maybe even 1080p at this point) card. Consoles on the other hand are designed differently and can take full advantage of their 8gb of ram. This is why, in general, most console ports on PC have been getting out of control on vram usage. It's a mix between poor optimization and just how the game engines are designed in general. Properly optimized games or PC exclusives are using much less VRAM than the typical lazy console port. And yes the PS4 Pro is as powerful or more than a 970. It's using a card slightly lower than RX 480 specs which is slightly faster than a 970.

I have played several games in 4K on Ultra settings @ 60 FPS with the 970, but they were older games. Not being able to play 2K in 4K @ 60 FPS on Ultra is because the card is not good enough overall. The 970 isn't even recommended as a 4K card to begin with. Most people would tell you that you can't do serious 4K gaming with a 970 (with modern games, anyway).

# 54 Impetuous65 @ 10/14/16 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fluent2332


	My PC can't handle what a "dedicated device" can? That's not true. A powerful PC rig will handle anything a console can do and still have resources to spare (as it's been for many years now). It's nice that they can develop for a "dedicated device" but even with Windows 10 running and several apps open a powerful PC can do more than a console, lol. Also, the latest consoles are basically back to PC-style architecture anyway. I'm not saying consoles are bad or anything. They serve their purpose (for now, until PC gaming in the living room becomes more of a common thing). They have a large community of players and exclusive games, etc.

The statement I made had nothing to do with your personal computer. I'm talking about in general. People always try to make this argument based on a 1 to 1 comparison. It was the same mistake digital foundry made based on public info without actually seeing the games. Once he saw the games he had to retract his statement. You can't compare X GPU has X amount of flops on my PC is stronger than a $400.00 dollar machine. And the reason is simple there is so much over head on a PC with what they are sharing resources with.

# 55 fluent2332 @ 10/14/16 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Impetuous65


	The statement I made had nothing to do with your personal computer. I'm talking about in general. People always try to make this argument based on a 1 to 1 comparison. It was the same mistake digital foundry made based on public info without actually seeing the games. Once he saw the games he had to retract his statement. You can't compare X GPU has X amount of flops on my PC is stronger than a $400.00 dollar machine. And the reason is simple there is so much over head on a PC with what they are sharing resources with.

This doesn't really address what I said, though.

If the PS4 Pro's GPU is "slightly faster" than a 970 GTX, then in my opinion that is not going to be a card that can really play a graphically demanding modern game on ULTRA settings at 4K and maintain 60 FPS.

On low or medium settings, maybe the "slightly faster" 970 GTX can do 4K @ 60 FPS. But that's my whole point. Average consumers see buzzwords like "native 4K", "60 FPS" and "checkerboard rendering" and could get the idea that this console is a little more advanced than it possibly may be.

I'll wait and see but I'd be pretty amazed if a new $400 console can have as advanced graphics as a great gaming PC. It just doesn't add up, IMO.

# 56 DreamAgain @ 10/15/16 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by fluent2332


	This doesn't really address what I said, though. If the PS4 Pro's GPU is "slightly faster" than a 970 GTX, then in my opinion that is not going to be a card that can really play a graphically demanding modern game on ULTRA settings at 4K and maintain 60 FPS. On low or medium settings, maybe the "slightly faster" 970 GTX can do 4K @ 60 FPS. But that's my whole point. Average consumers see buzzwords like "native 4K", "60 FPS" and "checkerboard rendering" and could get the idea that this console is a little more advanced than it possibly may be. I'll wait and see but I'd be pretty amazed if a new $400 console can have as advanced graphics as a great gaming PC. It just doesn't add up, IMO.

Nobody is claiming that it will.

Also you have to remember most games will be targeting 30 FPS on the PS4 Pro because console gamers are tards and think it's just fine.

# 57 KidHypeTellem @ 10/15/16 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by fluent2332


	Right, they leave that part out of the marketing. You have to think of how the "average consumer" views this type of marketing. If you asked one of them about the 4K consoles they likely think the graphics will be the best-of-the-best because they are 4K. It was just an observation I made on how they are marketing these 4K consoles.

That's the thing. This spec stuff will go right over the head of the average consumer so these things only really bother a PC head or someone who knows about these things. All you need to tell these guys is it's a better performer than the original and that's be enough.

To be honest the only people questioning and worrying about what the pro and Scorpio really can do are those with good PCs or good knowledge of what can do what.

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# 58 DETERMINOLOGY @ 10/15/16 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fluent2332


	That's weird, because people with great PCs can't even do 4K @ 60 FPS in 2K17. I have a Geforce 970 GTX and probably can't play 2K17 @ 4K@60FPS.

With a few fps drops on cuts and all i can run the game fine at 4k...Yall making it sound like nba 2k17 is crysis 5..No its really not

# 59 DETERMINOLOGY @ 10/15/16 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by fluent2332


	I have played several games in 4K on Ultra settings @ 60 FPS with the 970, but they were older games. Not being able to play 2K in 4K @ 60 FPS on Ultra is because the card is not good enough overall. The 970 isn't even recommended as a 4K card to begin with. Most people would tell you that you can't do serious 4K gaming with a 970 (with modern games, anyway).

For 4k single gpu anything of 980Ti or higher

# 60 fluent2332 @ 10/15/16 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DETERMINOLOGY


	With a few fps drops on cuts and all i can run the game fine at 4k...Yall making it sound like nba 2k17 is crysis 5..No its really not

On Ultra settings the 970 GTX would not maintain 60 FPS in 2K16. Don't remember specifics but it was not smooth. Of course you can run games in 4K on lower settings. That's my whole point.

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