04:24 PM - June 18, 2015 by Steve_OSSports Gamers Online has posted a quick minute of NBA Live 16 gameplay footage from E3. Check it out and post your thoughts.
NBA Live 16 News Post
04:24 PM - June 18, 2015 by Steve_OSSports Gamers Online has posted a quick minute of NBA Live 16 gameplay footage from E3. Check it out and post your thoughts.
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I wish they didn't talk about animations/physics. I just don't see it. Maybe I'm not trying hard enough...
The graphics are definitely a step in the right direction, but the animations are still off. Movement is so sluggish and i don't thing that has anything to do with the level of player, that initial first step burst of speed is just not there, but it's still early and they can improve.
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The 24th Letter @ 06/18/15 11:26 PM
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You do know that Live isn't the first game, not even the first sports game to incorporate 'physics' correct?
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King_B_Mack @ 06/18/15 11:45 PM
I will never forgive Hockey Dude and that crew from Elite 11 for introducing people to the term canimation and starting this war on animations as if it's the worst thing to ever happen in the history video gaming.
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Anyways, going back to the thread at hand, I am not liking the sliding that I am seeing when players are dribbling and the ball's trajectory and floaty-ness needs to be seriously addressed. It's honestly the biggest eye sore for me and just ruins the game for me. They need to contact some FIFA guys or reference 2K's implementation because it just is not where it needs to be.
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the veteran @ 06/19/15 02:37 AM
Game looks great to me, keep these videos coming I want to see more.
I think part of the animation problem in Live is that everything plays out so fast. They need to slow it down. Slower animations look more lifelike and fluid IMO. I'm not sayin' slow motion type ish but it seems like some of their anis be skippin' frames Lol
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benefactor @ 06/19/15 04:29 AM
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The first game I remember such a system being used was Backbreaker football.
I don't think Live has implemented it's system as in depth and 'free' as that game (or their MMA game if I remember right), nor would you want them to in a bball game, but they deserve big props for taking the risk.
If anyone is old enough to remember the different techniques used in the early days of Live (even back to the first PS1 game I believe, which they claimed used 'V(irtual) Polys' lol) EA used to manually edit motion captured animations (pretty sure they had a marketing term for it too) and looking at some of the funky animations that still make it in the game year after year, they probably still do. But I really feel their physics animation system is a winner and from the looks of these early videos, it's improving each year.
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The 24th Letter @ 06/19/15 07:22 AM
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I'm all for it man, if physics implementation is truly why animation quality is being sacrificed (even though this isn't the case with other games) then fine....
but it's going to above to start paying off somewhere other than replays for me to fully get on board. The paint game is among Lives weakest issues, and still an issue based on the early impressions...and this is where physics should shine through. As one of the Backbreaker guys said, at the very basic level physics is about interaction....I'm not seeing that as of yet....but I'll definitely be tuning in...
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DIRK41NOWITZKI @ 06/19/15 08:41 AM
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They mo capped his jump shot a couple years back. It looks pretty accurate to me.
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The 24th Letter @ 06/19/15 08:58 AM
A lot of the jump shots Live captured look really good...only issue is that they all have the same rhythm....so it can look off for the guys with slower gathers...Brons jumper looked really good in the trailer but it was so quick
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HoosierDaddy @ 06/19/15 10:10 AM
Unfortunately, it seems like more of the same overall for Live this year, in my opinion. I appreciate their efforts with adding features, signature styles, but they need to continue working on foundation-related gameplay. I should preface this by saying that I understand this is just a very small sample and everyone will be nit-picking this video to find the flaws. I'm just hoping that I provide some valuable, constructive feedback to the dev team.
Slowing down the animations to counteract the "herky-jerky" animation quality that so many others are mentioning. They are trying to achieve realistic player movement with the implementation of Live motion, which I'm all for, but the speed of the animations appear to be the problem more so than the actual cap of the movement. This is across the board - shot animation in relation to the basket, while being contested and collision-based animations. Over and under screens, off-ball defense with no regards to where ball is located, out-of-bounds force field still seems to be an issue, etc...
Passing - they seem to have focused on this with touch passes and handoffs, but there are still too many funky animations. It seems to happen a lot when a player is running at full speed or not looking at where they are passing and the player extends his arms, but the ball seems to be lagging behind. Just doesn't look or feel natural. Again - I think slowing down some of these animations will fix a lot of the problems. Errant passes by User/CPU with a defender in the passing lane should at least be deflected or tipped, there are too many occasions where the AI doesn't even attempt a steal.Hopefully these are adjustments that can be made via the sliders they are implementing this year (finally!)
Ball Physics - the floatiness of the ball is still there. It's almost as if while the ball is in the air calculations are taking place to determine the outcome of what happens. Ball and rim interactions still need to be added.
Rebounding - the players still seem to randomly jump for rebounds without any regards to ball tracking and where they are in relation to the ball. This leads to awkward or out of place animations and unrealistic gameplay. Hopefully they have implemented some tip rebounds or deflections instead of what appears to be canned animations of a rebound with a player grabbing the ball and bringing it down.
Dribbling - the ball still seems to be too high in relation to player height for me on occasion. Combine that with the fact that it also tends to get too far out away from a player's body and it just looks weird. I think this happens a lot during full speed animations or depending on the type of crossover that's being used.
USER/CPU AI - I mentioned the passing lane issue above, but there are other aspects of the game that need polishing. Using the Draymond Green steal as an example in the video, with a clear fast break and Tristan Thompson running side-by-side randomly leaves the defender instead of stopping the ball. User just stops at the 3-point line (lol, painful to watch some people play these games) ... there are many other examples and this needs addressed. Maybe a slider for this to adjust accordingly?
Sliders - The purpose of sliders are to adjust the game to your liking and make it play even more sim-like. Hopefully these sliders actually impact the game. The sliders that NEED to be in the game are: Game speed, Animation speed, passing lane steals, passing lane deflections, USER/CPU AI, Shot success overall, on-ball defense, help defense, pick and roll strength, offensive awareness, defensive awareness, offensive rebounds, defensive rebounds. Any other sliders would be icing on the cake at this point, in my opinion.
Slowing down the animations to counteract the "herky-jerky" animation quality that so many others are mentioning. They are trying to achieve realistic player movement with the implementation of Live motion, which I'm all for, but the speed of the animations appear to be the problem more so than the actual cap of the movement. This is across the board - shot animation in relation to the basket, while being contested and collision-based animations. Over and under screens, off-ball defense with no regards to where ball is located, out-of-bounds force field still seems to be an issue, etc...
Passing - they seem to have focused on this with touch passes and handoffs, but there are still too many funky animations. It seems to happen a lot when a player is running at full speed or not looking at where they are passing and the player extends his arms, but the ball seems to be lagging behind. Just doesn't look or feel natural. Again - I think slowing down some of these animations will fix a lot of the problems. Errant passes by User/CPU with a defender in the passing lane should at least be deflected or tipped, there are too many occasions where the AI doesn't even attempt a steal.Hopefully these are adjustments that can be made via the sliders they are implementing this year (finally!)
Ball Physics - the floatiness of the ball is still there. It's almost as if while the ball is in the air calculations are taking place to determine the outcome of what happens. Ball and rim interactions still need to be added.
Rebounding - the players still seem to randomly jump for rebounds without any regards to ball tracking and where they are in relation to the ball. This leads to awkward or out of place animations and unrealistic gameplay. Hopefully they have implemented some tip rebounds or deflections instead of what appears to be canned animations of a rebound with a player grabbing the ball and bringing it down.
Dribbling - the ball still seems to be too high in relation to player height for me on occasion. Combine that with the fact that it also tends to get too far out away from a player's body and it just looks weird. I think this happens a lot during full speed animations or depending on the type of crossover that's being used.
USER/CPU AI - I mentioned the passing lane issue above, but there are other aspects of the game that need polishing. Using the Draymond Green steal as an example in the video, with a clear fast break and Tristan Thompson running side-by-side randomly leaves the defender instead of stopping the ball. User just stops at the 3-point line (lol, painful to watch some people play these games) ... there are many other examples and this needs addressed. Maybe a slider for this to adjust accordingly?
Sliders - The purpose of sliders are to adjust the game to your liking and make it play even more sim-like. Hopefully these sliders actually impact the game. The sliders that NEED to be in the game are: Game speed, Animation speed, passing lane steals, passing lane deflections, USER/CPU AI, Shot success overall, on-ball defense, help defense, pick and roll strength, offensive awareness, defensive awareness, offensive rebounds, defensive rebounds. Any other sliders would be icing on the cake at this point, in my opinion.
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If its what i think it is from editing past lives you're going to need more sliders than that in specific areas....and coupled with synergy man it gets in the way IMO
A few guys can vouch for that like playmakers BiggD carnalnirvana..... we'll see though
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HoosierDaddy @ 06/19/15 12:04 PM
What's up man.
I know there needs to be more, I'm just trying to be realistic in my expectations at this point. Hopefully these suggested sliders will help the game as a solid foundation. Agree with the Synergy and how it impacts/counteracts any edits that could possibly be made with ratings/sliders. Another gimmicky feature at this point, in my opinion.
I don't mean to take away from the progress that EA has made, it just seems like the same story every year from me. Keep adding all of these things when the foundation is out of whack - frustrating!
I know there needs to be more, I'm just trying to be realistic in my expectations at this point. Hopefully these suggested sliders will help the game as a solid foundation. Agree with the Synergy and how it impacts/counteracts any edits that could possibly be made with ratings/sliders. Another gimmicky feature at this point, in my opinion.
I don't mean to take away from the progress that EA has made, it just seems like the same story every year from me. Keep adding all of these things when the foundation is out of whack - frustrating!
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Three things that will bug me about this video.
On Green's fast break, the CPU Defender doesn't protect the paint. Just trots off. Terrible.
CPU Kyrie has a clear lane to start something by dribbling up past the three point line when USER Curry attempts a steal and gets lost in half court. Yet CPU Kyrie just started dribbling out whatever play he had in mind. This is still an issue in today's games? The CPU needs to know how to break out of play calls and go to work if you give them the lane.
And last, the force field is still there. It's horrible. It needs to go.
On Green's fast break, the CPU Defender doesn't protect the paint. Just trots off. Terrible.
CPU Kyrie has a clear lane to start something by dribbling up past the three point line when USER Curry attempts a steal and gets lost in half court. Yet CPU Kyrie just started dribbling out whatever play he had in mind. This is still an issue in today's games? The CPU needs to know how to break out of play calls and go to work if you give them the lane.
And last, the force field is still there. It's horrible. It needs to go.
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Why shouldn't we expect great looking/realistic animations? Unless they were talking about the class of 2005.
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shutdown10 @ 06/19/15 05:57 PM
NBA Live is not even close to being there yet. I honestly don't think EA understands what makes a game feel or look real. It's not the time spent in making the game from a snapshot point of view, but it's the time spent making the gameplay simulate exactly how the players move and are animated in the game.
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