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It appears EA's other football game will find itself in hot water soon over the exact same issues that NCAA Football was plagued by: the use of likenesses of former players which are a little to close to reality.

In the lawsuit, former NFL players said the Madden NFL game had players with their exact characteristics, but EA had not obtained their permission to use the figures.

"We hold EA's use of the former players' likenesses is not incidental because it is central to EA's main commercial purpose - to create a realistic virtual simulation of football games involving current and former NFL teams," Circuit Judge Raymond Fisher wrote in the opinion.

"Like NCAA Football, Madden NFL replicates players' physical characteristics and allows users to manipulate them in the performance of the same activity for which they are known in real life - playing football for an NFL team," Fisher wrote in his commentary.

On a tangible level, this suit doesn't pose much of a risk to the Madden brand as a whole, as unlike NCAA Football, the Madden brand is both bigger and not tied to the use of likenesses in this manner to succeed. So whatever comes out of this will be a payday for players used in the game, but will not affect business as usual from going on.

We'll be following the case though, as it could reaffirm the time-old tradition of using likenesses without the names as something which is no longer a viable option. This would all but eliminate the use of non-licensed historical teams in sports games.

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# 41 SmashMan @ 01/08/15 09:21 PM
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Really? lol
Yeah. My perception was that (and obviously I could be wrong) you were looking for a way to shoehorn the exclusive deal in here, as often happens; because making the leap from "EA being used for former player likenesses" to "This is due, in part, to the exclusive deal" takes some mental gymnastics.

That being said, I don't want to derail the thread with a stupid argument, so I'm just going to leave my end of it here.
 
# 42 Kaiser Wilhelm @ 01/08/15 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mestevo
Yeah, no. The lawsuit is over past use, and as far as anyone's identified this was well before exclusivity. Shoving the exclusivity agenda into this is just another way to be able to go off about the devil that EA is in the eyes of some and about how the company is responsible for all that's wrong in your world. This has nothing to do with a lack of options to litigate.



A word processor is a much broader tool than a video game allowing you to create others intellectual property only in that video game that is generating a revenue in part because of those features. A comparable example would be Marvel v City of Heroes. http://www.joystiq.com/2005/12/14/ma...wsuit-settled/
The complaint spawned from the ability to create characters in City of Heroes that closely resembled characters from the Marvel Universe.
Use some common sense here guys, if EA themselves aren't allowed to create players in their own game without licensing, why do you think it's legal for you to? They absolutely could send a C&D to Bob and to EA for any violations. Will/would they? Remains to be seen. Companies don't tend to invest in things that are going to encourage legal challenges because they enjoy making money.
NCSoft settled in that case, and according to that article, Marvel had half of its complaint thrown out. Not only that, but there were no changes to the character creator as a result of that lawsuit, according to that article. Companies sometimes settle, not because they are guilty, but because the cost of winning is greater than the settlement. So, yes, anybody can file a lawsuit, but whether it holds water is another story.

If a company were to release a football video game using the licenses from the FBS schools with generic players, but included a player editor so that gamers could create their own characters to use in the game, then that company would, likely, not be held responsible if a group of gamers collaborated in creating an entire roster consisting of real players.

Any game that has a character creator could potentially be the target of a lawsuit if all it took was being able to make a character closely resemble a real human being.
 
# 43 jpollack34 @ 01/08/15 10:29 PM
A lawsuit like this would go absolutely nowhere if a company were to release a deep editor with no license. Take Fire Pro Wrestling as an example. A a game that has one of the deepest editors I've ever seen. And it has been used for a long time to replicate pretty much every wrestler in appearance and moves. The players look and move exactly like their real life counterparts. Not only would they have absolutely no legal footing. Anyone who goes after the users would be committing suicide. You would essentially be attacking your biggest fans.
 
# 44 ODogg @ 01/09/15 04:50 PM
Jpollack, exactly what I was saying but you said it better...
 
# 45 Gman 18 @ 01/09/15 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jpollack34
A lawsuit like this would go absolutely nowhere if a company were to release a deep editor with no license. Take Fire Pro Wrestling as an example. A a game that has one of the deepest editors I've ever seen. And it has been used for a long time to replicate pretty much every wrestler in appearance and moves. The players look and move exactly like their real life counterparts. Not only would they have absolutely no legal footing. Anyone who goes after the users would be committing suicide. You would essentially be attacking your biggest fans.
Is this is the case then why do you think EA shys away from enabling the ability to edit draft classes to their games?

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# 46 jpollack34 @ 01/09/15 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Gman 18
Is this is the case then why do you think EA shys away from enabling the ability to edit draft classes to their games?

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Precisely because they advertise themselves as a licensed product?

Heavy is the head that bought the crown !
 
# 47 cowboy_kmoney @ 01/09/15 09:52 PM
Well i hope The NFL will drop the exclusive and open the doors for others to make a game also.
 
# 48 ggsimmonds @ 01/09/15 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Gman 18
Is this is the case then why do you think EA shys away from enabling the ability to edit draft classes to their games?

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I think the answer is simple incompetence.

They backed themselves into a corner with their progression system and storylines.
 
# 49 RyanLeaf16 @ 01/09/15 10:18 PM
Everyone says that...till they need one amd then they want some cheap hourly bill rate.
 

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