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Slide Protection: Can you trust it?

12:29 PM - July 30, 2012 by RaychelSnr

One of the new additions for Madden and NCAA this year that excites me in the new four-man slide protections. Since the offensive and defensive lines will not receive an overhaul this year, at least having something at our disposal is a plus for building protection schemes. As I sat and played NCAA 13, I discovered some good and some bad about slide protection. In the end, I think users are still left with a critical question: can you trust it?

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# 41 LBzrule @ 07/31/12 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shttymcgee


	Obviously the video was a complete ****-up of how the protection should work, but why would you slide away from the numbers anyway? Why would you put your back to the side of the combination? Why is the defense reduced weak? (flipped) I'd rather see the play with the defense normal (not flipped/reduced strong/over) and just the line slid left. Leave the back away from the combination, where he should be anyway.

The first run through in the video the defense is in its base alignment. I have another video I'm going to load up. The interesting thing is on a couple of occasions it gets blocked up like it should but then unexplainably, it falls a part. The defense isn't flipped. Also, there are three rushers to each side. I thought about including the TE in the slide but no matter which way I slide the TE just allows the defender to run around him. Also, the reason why I shifted the defense over later is because more than likely, people who run that blitz online are not going to leave it as it is. A lot of guys run that blitz shifting it over. Let me get this other video up.

# 42 shttymcgee @ 07/31/12 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LBzrule


	The first run through in the video the defense is in its base alignment. I have another video I'm going to load up. The interesting thing is on a couple of occasions it gets blocked up like it should but then unexplainably, it falls a part. The defense isn't flipped. Also, there are three rushers to each side. I thought about including the TE in the slide but no matter which way I slide the TE just allows the defender to run around him. Also, the reason why I shifted the defense over later is because more than likely, people who run that blitz online are not going to leave it as it is. A lot of guys run that blitz shifting it over. Let me get this other video up.

After looking at the pics, I see the defense not flipped or shifted weak.

Still, I count 5 defenders to the left of the center and 3 to right in the video. I think the slide should go left. Plus, you definitely want the back going rt to pull any #3 defender away from the combo.

Not to nitpick (I feel like I am), but why wouldn't you just run the ball to the rt. That isn't a real defensive alignment (at least not one that isn't f'ed up). A 1 and a 9 to the TE with only 1 backer?

# 43 LBzrule @ 07/31/12 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shttymcgee


	After looking at the pics, I see the defense not flipped or shifted weak. Still, I count 5 defenders to the left of the center and 3 to right in the video. I think the slide should go left. Plus, you definitely want the back going rt to pull any #3 defender away from the combo.

I see the 3, 5, Will, Mike and FS on the left. The alignment of the FS though tells me he's in man coverage. Taking Madden alignments into consideration, I simply ignored the FS. It is clear to me he's in man. Also since i knew the play I knew Mike was not blitzing. But I get the principle even if the FS is not blitzing the numbers still dictate a slide left. I'll have to look and see if I recorded that. I think the slide left had the DT on the left running through untouched. Let me see if I recorded that. I have a lot of videos in here.

# 44 LBzrule @ 07/31/12 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shttymcgee


	After looking at the pics, I see the defense not flipped or shifted weak. Still, I count 5 defenders to the left of the center and 3 to right in the video. I think the slide should go left. Plus, you definitely want the back going rt to pull any #3 defender away from the combo. Not to nitpick (I feel like I am), but why wouldn't you just run the ball to the rt. That isn't a real defensive alignment (at least not one that isn't f'ed up). A 1 and a 9 to the TE with only 1 backer?

LOL. Don't want to get started on that. Ohhh running would be ideal, if the damn lineman wouldn't move out of the damn way just because

# 45 shttymcgee @ 08/01/12 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by LBzrule


	I see the 3, 5, Will, Mike and FS on the left. The alignment of the FS though tells me he's in man coverage. Taking Madden alignments into consideration, I simply ignored the FS. It is clear to me he's in man. Also since i knew the play I knew Mike was not blitzing. But I get the principle even if the FS is not blitzing the numbers still dictate a slide left. I'll have to look and see if I recorded that. I think the slide left had the DT on the left running through untouched. Let me see if I recorded that. I have a lot of videos in here.

How do you know its not an open side fire-zone based solely on the alignment of the safety? He could just as easily be blitzing off the edge, couldn't he?

# 46 poster @ 08/01/12 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by shttymcgee


	Why would the back not know the DT was there? The animation was stupid, but he has eyes, doesn't he?

Yes, he has eyes. That being said, at 2:46 of the video, he is looking the complete opposite way. He has no idea the DT has gotten through, as he isn't even looking up the middle at all. The game magically morphed him over to block. Looks awful, should have been a sack.

# 47 LBzrule @ 08/01/12 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by shttymcgee


	How do you know its not an open side fire-zone based solely on the alignment of the safety? He could just as easily be blitzing off the edge, couldn't he?

Just knowing Madden/NCAA defensive alignments, the Safety never lines up over a slot WR on a blitz. They always split the difference; are on the line of scrimmage in a ghost 9; or on the second level in a 5. Lastly, since it is 4-3 Stack most there are only a few zone blitzes it could be, none of which would have the FS drop that far down in his Pre-snap alignment over the WR. You said it in another thread, zone blitzes in Madden/NCAA are easy to read. Even with best on best, most of them are still not overly difficult to figure out, especially if you have a grasp of the playbook and the secondary alignments.

# 48 PGaither84 @ 08/01/12 11:26 AM

At first is was like "Ugh.. another article by MMChrisS?!?" then I saw it was LBzrule.

# 49 shttymcgee @ 08/01/12 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LBzrule


	Just knowing Madden/NCAA defensive alignments, the Safety never lines up over a slot WR on a blitz. They always split the difference; are on the line of scrimmage in a ghost 9; or on the second level in a 5. Lastly, since it is 4-3 Stack most there are only a few zone blitzes it could be, none of which would have the FS drop that far down in his Pre-snap alignment over the WR. You said it in another thread, zone blitzes in Madden/NCAA are easy to read. Even with best on best, most of them are still not overly difficult to figure out, especially if you have a grasp of the playbook and the secondary alignments.

I know, but you shouldn't be able to know that. You should be able to run a 2-Deep/4 Under fire zone from that look.

# 50 LBzrule @ 08/01/12 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by shttymcgee


	I know, but you shouldn't be able to know that. You should be able to run a 2-Deep/4 Under fire zone from that look.

I agree, this is where 2k's coverage shells on defense would be useful. Unfortunately, this is what madden gives us. Only best on best and no shells.

# 51 LBzrule @ 08/01/12 04:32 PM

Here is that follow up video. Notice on the first snap, they block EXACTLY like I describe they should with the slide right. But then it falls a part after that. Not sure why. With no response from a developer to tell us what is happening we are left in the dark. There are times where they block it up. But more often than not, they get confused and there is no rationale.

# 52 shttymcgee @ 08/01/12 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LBzrule


	I agree, this is where 2k's coverage shells on defense would be useful. Unfortunately, this is what madden gives us. Only best on best and no shells.

We should have coverage shells, but I meant the Safety and tight Corner as the deep defenders, with the open Corner squatting, which would fit the look in the video. BTW, the videos are horrible representations of how protections should work, no matter what way you slide.

# 53 riichiieriich @ 08/02/12 04:52 AM

Short answer: No, you can't trust it. There will always be nano's that exploit the stupid o-line AI.

# 54 Tyrant8RDFL @ 08/02/12 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LBzrule


	Here is that follow up video. Notice on the first snap, they block EXACTLY like I describe they should with the slide right. But then it falls a part after that. Not sure why. With no response from a developer to tell us what is happening we are left in the dark. There are times where they block it up. But more often than not, they get confused and there is no rationale.

When you issued the command for the shift did you enter it multiple times or one time? I tend to send a command a few times just to make sure it was entered

I tested something out last night, not to extensive but a decent amount of reps.

This is not in any way to excuse the inconsistency we are seeing with the shift , but when I pinched my line and used the rb's to block the outside pressure it worked out nicely.

I'm stating this because if the left or right shift can't be trusted with the execution on a consistent basis. We can at least be more dependent on what I utilized, which I will add I got the idea from a poster here who stated this is what he did earlier in this thread. Sorry for not remembering your name.

# 55 Broncos86 @ 08/02/12 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrant8RDFL


	When you issued the command for the shift did you enter it multiple times or one time? I tend to send a command a few times just to make sure it was entered I tested something out last night, not to extensive but a decent amount of reps. This is not in any way to excuse the inconsistency we are seeing with the shift , but when I pinched my line and used the rb's to block the outside pressure it worked out nicely. I'm stating this because if the left or right shift can't be trusted with the execution on a consistent basis. We can at least be more dependent on what I utilized, which I will add I got the idea from a poster here who stated this is what he did earlier in this thread. Sorry for not remembering your name.

Sounds like a log-jam in the middle, which NCAA/Madden can't really compensate for since guys can't push others over. Then just let the RB pick up whichever side gets free.

# 56 NoLittleBabies @ 08/23/12 05:49 AM

LBzrule, you are a legend. Somebody hire this guy as a consultant and the game will be greatly improved in one year. Get me to an online petition site.

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