10:50 AM - July 27, 2011 by Steve_OS
EA Sports has clarified the new CBA rules for Madden NFL 12 will not make it in this year. They also noted that updated rosters with all free agent moves will be available at launch.
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Madden 12 News Post
10:50 AM - July 27, 2011 by Steve_OSEA Sports has clarified the new CBA rules for Madden NFL 12 will not make it in this year. They also noted that updated rosters with all free agent moves will be available at launch.
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It's too bad they can't do it, would have been really nice. You can't really blame them though, they have no control over it.
I'm no madden die hard and haven't been since 2008, so this is no real deal breaker for me. I imagine the NBA game will have a similar story because of the NBA lockout should the lock out cut into the dev cycle. The fact that they are however keeping the rosters updated is to be expected. Let's hope the game is worth it.
I think it's kinda funny that EA would even address this.
Why would anyone think that they would implement the details of this brand new CBA, when they have never implemented any previous one accurately??
Think about the major points from the new CBA....they either don't apply or were wrong the last time:
- Revenue split. Doesn't matter in Madden. Sets the cap, but I don't believe that it was ever kept realistically in franchise
- Improved player benefits (including retired players). Irrelevant
- reduced practices. reduced contact in practices. Irrelevant
- 46-man gameday rosters. Eliminated the emergency QB designation. Neither was ever implemented in Madden.
- Rookie wage scale. Rookie contracts were never realistic.
- Minimum salaries increased (based on years accrued). Min salary existed, but was never based off years in the league.
- Franchise Tag - 1 yr per player - had franchise tag, could have upgraded to make it so you couldn't tag the same player twice. this could have applied.
- Can't use franchise and transition tag in the same year - didn't have transition tags
- 4 years to unrestricted free agency - Madden doesn't have restricted free agency.
- 95% salary floor - Madden didn't have previous 80% salary floor.
So ultimately if they were to have taken what previous Maddens had right from the last CBA and updated it, they basically would have had to change the franchise tag logic to not allow it to be used twice on a single player.....that's about it.
So no, I'm not surprised they didn't make updates for the new CBA...even if they had the time to do so.
Why would anyone think that they would implement the details of this brand new CBA, when they have never implemented any previous one accurately??
Think about the major points from the new CBA....they either don't apply or were wrong the last time:
- Revenue split. Doesn't matter in Madden. Sets the cap, but I don't believe that it was ever kept realistically in franchise
- Improved player benefits (including retired players). Irrelevant
- reduced practices. reduced contact in practices. Irrelevant
- 46-man gameday rosters. Eliminated the emergency QB designation. Neither was ever implemented in Madden.
- Rookie wage scale. Rookie contracts were never realistic.
- Minimum salaries increased (based on years accrued). Min salary existed, but was never based off years in the league.
- Franchise Tag - 1 yr per player - had franchise tag, could have upgraded to make it so you couldn't tag the same player twice. this could have applied.
- Can't use franchise and transition tag in the same year - didn't have transition tags
- 4 years to unrestricted free agency - Madden doesn't have restricted free agency.
- 95% salary floor - Madden didn't have previous 80% salary floor.
So ultimately if they were to have taken what previous Maddens had right from the last CBA and updated it, they basically would have had to change the franchise tag logic to not allow it to be used twice on a single player.....that's about it.
So no, I'm not surprised they didn't make updates for the new CBA...even if they had the time to do so.
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RedZoneD25 @ 07/28/11 01:23 AM
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I am more frustrated when a game company tells me I can't do things in a realistic, difficult fashion due to fear of alienating gamers who don't even care about the depth of the game anyways. I understand not being able to get the new CBA in and I'm not upset about it at all, but to base a mode meant for hardcore fans on a casual approach is a) not what Looman is about (see, Head Coach 09/Last-Gen Madden FM) and b) not a smart direction to take.
Time will tell, but I'm hoping this wasn't a one-shot deal and that we will continue to see FM upgrades on a yearly basis, though understanding this is the "main" overhaul. Time for RFA, Rookie Wage System (NOT scale), all rookies get 4 yr deals, Practice Squads, etc. in Madden NFL 13.
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georgiafan @ 07/28/11 11:00 AM
So is the 46 man gameday rosters or whatver the # is in madden this year? I know it was in the past Head Coach game
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Not to mention they would lose money by releasing the game in season. It wouldn't be practical from a business standpoint.
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In a perfect world the game should be released when its done. So gamers suggesting it be pushed back is totally justified. I would totally be ok with it being pushed back 3 months if thats what it took to get a great football game. Only problem is, it will never happen.
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raidertiger @ 07/29/11 06:43 AM
Not getting this. Just Madden 11 with updated rosters. What's the point of playing an out of date franchise with current rosters? I'm gonna wait until 13. Sorry EA.
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boodahisthe1 @ 07/29/11 10:28 AM
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ROSStafarian @ 07/29/11 10:54 AM
This is going to kill there fan base with no live, i don't see why anyone without live would pick this up, and why would they?
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Wildcats302 @ 07/30/11 12:33 PM
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Yeah...THAT Guy @ 07/30/11 01:10 PM
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No surprises here.
I'm excited to play with all the new look teams!
I'm excited to play with all the new look teams!
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jonathonbush33 @ 08/02/11 08:07 PM
wait does this mean that the roster updates will already be on the game when you buy it?
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unBEARable @ 08/02/11 08:36 PM
some of you need to get a job in the games industry and understand how it works because some of you are clueless. for once EA ain't to blame here with the CBA.
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Chrisksaint @ 08/02/11 08:37 PM
Too bad they can't patch in the rookie wage scale, that's gonna be the huge thing i'll miss from the CBA when doing a franchise
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thegreatusurper512 @ 08/27/11 10:24 PM
It IS NOT ridiculous to expect the new CBA to be in the game. It was very obvious VERY EARLY in the CBA negotiations that there was going to be a rookie pay scale, since both sides were in favor of it. The problem here is that EA hardcodes so much of their games, they aren't able to be flexible. They have hardcoded what teams are willing to offer certain players with certain overalls at certain years in the league rather than writing AI scripts for the teams and players.
Instead of having a global AI that is capable of managing an arbitrarily sized salary cap, they have gone with hardcoded values for years. It makes their code inflexible and incapable of change. When your code is written this way, it is only on you when you are unable to adapt quickly to a new environment. EA, knowing that their franchise code is inflexible, should have hired 10 people to work full time on writing salary cap/hardcoded values for everything for each possible outcome of the CBA. If you are unwilling to write a little good code, then you have to write a ton of bad code to keep people happy.
The "it just got finished" is a bogus excuse. The money related issues were settled 2 months ago. If it takes you more than 2 months to write the code for how teams should spend money (which is essentially just a giant matrx of numbers), then you really are some of the worst programmers out there.
Instead of having a global AI that is capable of managing an arbitrarily sized salary cap, they have gone with hardcoded values for years. It makes their code inflexible and incapable of change. When your code is written this way, it is only on you when you are unable to adapt quickly to a new environment. EA, knowing that their franchise code is inflexible, should have hired 10 people to work full time on writing salary cap/hardcoded values for everything for each possible outcome of the CBA. If you are unwilling to write a little good code, then you have to write a ton of bad code to keep people happy.
The "it just got finished" is a bogus excuse. The money related issues were settled 2 months ago. If it takes you more than 2 months to write the code for how teams should spend money (which is essentially just a giant matrx of numbers), then you really are some of the worst programmers out there.
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