06:34 AM - March 1, 2011 by Rdogg1026
The Top Spin 4 demo is available now. Add it to your download queue right here.
Please play a few games and post your impressions here.
*UPDATE: PS3 demo is available now.
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Top Spin 4 News Post
06:34 AM - March 1, 2011 by Rdogg1026The Top Spin 4 demo is available now. Add it to your download queue right here.
Please play a few games and post your impressions here.
*UPDATE: PS3 demo is available now.
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# 61
Panicshade @ 03/05/11 04:07 PM
I have used Nadal and Williams with stick serving and the timing is different with both of them. I haven't gotten the timing down for Nadal because he has a slow serve animation. With Williams I have been able to get aces regularly now. I pull back on the stick and just when the ball gets to it's highest point i pull the left stick to either side to target and then push up on the right stick. Just keep playing a few matches and you will get the process down easily. Once you start seeing "Good" for the timing just do it that split second faster for "Perfect". It won't ace every time but you can get the CPU in a bad position with a well placed hard serve they have to lunge for.
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Randiesel75 @ 03/05/11 06:18 PM
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Panicshade @ 03/05/11 06:52 PM
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# 64
Randiesel75 @ 03/05/11 10:02 PM
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# 65
Yeah...THAT Guy @ 03/06/11 05:34 PM
I don't know if it will work against the AI, but I've gotten aced a couple of times by Federer because I'll start winding up for my return before he even serves it because the serve comes very fast, and then all of a sudden he'll hit a soft curving serve that just catches me off guard and I'm not able to return it. I wonder if this would work against the AI as well.
I really love the gameplay in this game so far. I've never had to use anything but a flat shot in the last TS game I played. This one feels much more like a chess match, mixing in top spin shots with slices and flat shots, and even the occasional drop shot (although it's way harder than it was in the last TS game I played) and lob shots when Federer rushes the net. I'm only nervous that the career mode will be too easy because I've been playing on hard and after losing like my first 20 matches, I've now won probably 4 out of my last 6 or so, and I'm nervous I'll finally figure out how to dominate the AI even on hard, which would really suck. Granted, these last 6 games where I've won 4 have all been crazy intense, but I'm nervous it will eventually become too easy. I want it to be an intense battle every time I face guys like Nadal and Federer in my career mode.
I really love the gameplay in this game so far. I've never had to use anything but a flat shot in the last TS game I played. This one feels much more like a chess match, mixing in top spin shots with slices and flat shots, and even the occasional drop shot (although it's way harder than it was in the last TS game I played) and lob shots when Federer rushes the net. I'm only nervous that the career mode will be too easy because I've been playing on hard and after losing like my first 20 matches, I've now won probably 4 out of my last 6 or so, and I'm nervous I'll finally figure out how to dominate the AI even on hard, which would really suck. Granted, these last 6 games where I've won 4 have all been crazy intense, but I'm nervous it will eventually become too easy. I want it to be an intense battle every time I face guys like Nadal and Federer in my career mode.
# 66
Panicshade @ 03/06/11 05:44 PM
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the full game would be...
Easy
Normal
Hard
Very Hard
"Super Hard" (could be named something else and has to be unlocked)
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Yeah...THAT Guy @ 03/06/11 05:56 PM
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# 69
at23steelers @ 03/06/11 07:04 PM
A tip to help struggling players:
- Hold in shot button while you are getting in position to hit ball, and press again when you want to hit it. This will allow you to have the red in the circle fully shown, and give you much more power. This helped me out tremendously, as it seemed like whatever I hit, the opponent would make me immediately be on defense. And when they popped it up, I couldn't do anything with it.
I usually play with Nadal, because not only is he my favorite player, but if I am out of opposition, he can get to most balls. To be more on offense, I tend to guess where the CPU will hit the ball (cross court in a normal rally, and down the line with an approach shot, just like normal tennis), so if I happen to guess wrong, I can usually still get the ball back in play.
Hope this helps!!
- Hold in shot button while you are getting in position to hit ball, and press again when you want to hit it. This will allow you to have the red in the circle fully shown, and give you much more power. This helped me out tremendously, as it seemed like whatever I hit, the opponent would make me immediately be on defense. And when they popped it up, I couldn't do anything with it.
I usually play with Nadal, because not only is he my favorite player, but if I am out of opposition, he can get to most balls. To be more on offense, I tend to guess where the CPU will hit the ball (cross court in a normal rally, and down the line with an approach shot, just like normal tennis), so if I happen to guess wrong, I can usually still get the ball back in play.
Hope this helps!!
Does anybody know the following?
1. Will there be 'different' pre-serve animations? Dribbling the ball etc.
2. Is the ability issue a player challenge on a call by the line judge available in the retail version?
1. Will there be 'different' pre-serve animations? Dribbling the ball etc.
2. Is the ability issue a player challenge on a call by the line judge available in the retail version?
Feels way, way too much like TS3. I played a decent amount of TS3 a year or so ago, and it just feels like the same game, just a bit quicker. Serving is still too easy, just hit a button and let go, you don't really have to worry too much about power or aiming, the return will generally be the same no matter what. Then just keep hitting slice shots back, eventually you'll open up an opportunity for a winner, which of course requires no finesse at all to make since you have virtually no chance of making an error on any shot. This was fun for a while back when I first bought TS3, but I got tired of it back then. It just feels so mechanical, I always know where I am in a point. There should be shots where I know I'm most likely going to make an error, but the only chance I have to get back in the point is to go for a low percentage winner down the line. There should be times in a rally where I have to risk hitting a ground stroke long to get back the upper hand, but to do it anyways because to do other wise is to eventually give my opponent the point. Instead I'm just slicing the ball constantly back over and over until my opponent gets tired and slows down enough to leave half the court open. Maybe the higher difficulty levels will fix this, but they didn't in TS3, and I'm not paying to find out if they do this time.
On a positive note, they did slightly improve the presentation. I don't know what reason they possibly could have for putting a giant CPU and 1P icon over each player before every point in TS3, but it's nice that they came to their senses and realized that it was ugly and we're smart enough to remember which player is ours. Crowds are better too.
On a positive note, they did slightly improve the presentation. I don't know what reason they possibly could have for putting a giant CPU and 1P icon over each player before every point in TS3, but it's nice that they came to their senses and realized that it was ugly and we're smart enough to remember which player is ours. Crowds are better too.
# 72
rangerrick012 @ 03/08/11 03:17 AM
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If you're only going to use one button to play the game, on a low difficulty level it seems, then of course you're not going to get the most out of it. This game has a lot more depth than you give it credit for, but to each his own.
# 73
Cro Morgan @ 03/08/11 11:00 AM
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I think 2k nailed it this go around, if for no other other reason than the game is a blast to play. After all, when the dust settles, the fun-factor is all that matters!!
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# 75
rangerrick012 @ 03/08/11 01:28 PM
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In any case, if you're not willing to fully explore the game and only use one button to play, then you're obviously a) not playing the game the right way, and b) not getting the most out of the game. But like I said, it's your judgment, just don't think you should come in and say it's the same as TS3 when a lot of others have noted the improvements just in this demo, and assuming there will be more in the retail version (as well as higher difficulty levels).
# 76
Smallberries @ 03/08/11 05:07 PM
I can understand what Dudd is saying, and it was this arcadey experience that brought the gameplay down for me in TS3. However, I do think TS4 feels improved, at least in the groundies department on the hard level. Not impressed with serving, though. WAY too easy. Something they may consider doing next year is including a little shake or wiggle in the control on crucial points (a la a nervous pitcher in the MLB2k series) to make it more difficult and risky to go for wide or down-the-T serves.
In conclusion, I wanted to share an awesome point I had, which has almost sold me on this game alone. I was playing as Nadal and was in an extended rally with Federer from the baseline. He finally hit a short ball, which forced me/Nadal to the net to retrieve. My return to his backhand was fairly deep but not great, putting Federer in the driver's seat. He hit a massive crosscourt shot that would have won the point had it not tipped the net. Still, it managed to skip up and past me on my left, landing behind me and behind the service line. I ran back and retrieved it JUST before the second bounce and, woudn't you know it, my ball also tips the net, barely dribbling over to earn me the point. The whole thing ends with Nadal holding out his hand for the customary apology. Amazingly cool! It's stuff like that, in a brief 5-minute demo, that has me excited.
I still need to know that there's more depth and challenge in this year's single player experience before I commit to buying. I'll wait for the reviews. But I'm definitely hoping for good scores.
In conclusion, I wanted to share an awesome point I had, which has almost sold me on this game alone. I was playing as Nadal and was in an extended rally with Federer from the baseline. He finally hit a short ball, which forced me/Nadal to the net to retrieve. My return to his backhand was fairly deep but not great, putting Federer in the driver's seat. He hit a massive crosscourt shot that would have won the point had it not tipped the net. Still, it managed to skip up and past me on my left, landing behind me and behind the service line. I ran back and retrieved it JUST before the second bounce and, woudn't you know it, my ball also tips the net, barely dribbling over to earn me the point. The whole thing ends with Nadal holding out his hand for the customary apology. Amazingly cool! It's stuff like that, in a brief 5-minute demo, that has me excited.
I still need to know that there's more depth and challenge in this year's single player experience before I commit to buying. I'll wait for the reviews. But I'm definitely hoping for good scores.
It's tough for me to take a guy seriously who says you can just slice and set up a winner and then admits he has not even played the hard mode yet. Plus, this game is online based this year so that strategy will not work against every human player. Also, the game is nothing like TS3 to me.
the demo is real fun..I am excited that we may finally have a good tennis game to play.
the demo is real fun..I am excited that we may finally have a good tennis game to play.
# 78
at23steelers @ 03/08/11 06:54 PM
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All my impressions are from the hard difficulty, when I say maybe it's different on a higher difficulty I'm referring to those which aren't included in the demo. However, I went and played a set of TS3 on its very hard setting to reacquaint myself with it since it's been a while, and again the virtual complete lack of errors was the elephant in the room. I won one set 7-5, but had only 4 unforced errors the entire match (don't remember how many forced errors I had, they only track unforced) That's my fear for what the two harder difficulty levels are in this game, the AI gets more aggressive and moves you around the court more/hits more winners, but also makes a ton more errors, and all you have to do is outlast it because it's so difficult to make an error. I mean, I've played probably a dozen tiebreakers in the demo so far, and I haven't hit a single ball into the net. Not a one. I think I've hit one single shot long. The timing window on the shots are just way too generous, even when it says too early or too late, 95/100 the shot is ok, it just doesn't have as much speed or depth. If I'm trying to hit a deep shot or trying to hit the lines, getting the timing off should be a much bigger deal.
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