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# 61
moylan1234 @ 06/17/09 02:23 PM
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1. Proof Madden is actually trying to improve their product
2. Showing that they care.. have any NCAA devs. shared this type of in depth information with us ever.. No. This honestly is like a daily thing for Ian.
3. This has a direct effect on improving gameplay. Yes, NCAA added WR/DB animations.. But did they actually adjust the code that effects who wins those match ups? Probably not.
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ase-issue.html
# 63
countryboy @ 06/17/09 02:29 PM
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also could've done without the "I'm sorry" at the beginning. My bad moylan55

# 64
moylan1234 @ 06/17/09 02:33 PM
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# 65
moylan1234 @ 06/17/09 02:36 PM
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trust me i'd love to be as blown away by madden right now as others seem to be, but all i have to go on is what i've seen in the vids and to me it just doesn't look like as big of a step up as i anticipated.
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So if he was a Missouri fan, would you expect him to rail on Chase Daniel for averaging almost 2 picks per game last year? Or would you be ok if (as a fan), he focused more on the 4300 yards and 39 TD's?
Fire Chase Daniel!!
# 68
moylan1234 @ 06/17/09 02:58 PM
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# 70
NoLittleBabies @ 06/17/09 04:25 PM
I think this will be the last video I allow myself to watch. Thanks, Steve, for putting them up. But it's just depressing. It's really sad when a whole team of developers spent a year on this product, and you really have to watch closely to try to pick out any positives. I don't know about you guys, but if I was given a year to take a product and improve it as much as I was capable of doing so, I would want the positives to constantly jump out at the someone viewing my final product.
- Swivel running looks absolutely bizarre, and anyone that has ever watched football (or any sport with non-linear running) should be turned off by this immediately. The game has no sense of realistic momentum/physics.
- Defensive line pressure has not improved one single iota. This might be the saddest part of all, since this was the number one thing on everyone's wishlist way back in July (or even sooner, considering the Community Day reports of 09). A forced pocket forming doesn't make much difference considering it's just that, forced, and not based on improved DE AI.
- Short to medium bullet passes in this game are traveling probably faster than 80 mph. That's ridiculous. The strongest arms in NFL history (like Favre or Elway in their prime) could probably throw the ball between 70-75. And yet here we have average college passers throwing balls (without even stepping into the pass sometimes) that look like MLB fastballs. I mean, seriously, four years into the current generation of consoles, and they can't even properly adjust something as simple as pass speed?
Looks like another year of playing against a lot of 3-3-5 and Quarters "Show Blitz" online, since those defenses screw with the blocking AI and can stop the pass and the run efficiently, while defenses like the 4-3 are pretty much worthless all the way around.
- Swivel running looks absolutely bizarre, and anyone that has ever watched football (or any sport with non-linear running) should be turned off by this immediately. The game has no sense of realistic momentum/physics.
- Defensive line pressure has not improved one single iota. This might be the saddest part of all, since this was the number one thing on everyone's wishlist way back in July (or even sooner, considering the Community Day reports of 09). A forced pocket forming doesn't make much difference considering it's just that, forced, and not based on improved DE AI.
- Short to medium bullet passes in this game are traveling probably faster than 80 mph. That's ridiculous. The strongest arms in NFL history (like Favre or Elway in their prime) could probably throw the ball between 70-75. And yet here we have average college passers throwing balls (without even stepping into the pass sometimes) that look like MLB fastballs. I mean, seriously, four years into the current generation of consoles, and they can't even properly adjust something as simple as pass speed?
Looks like another year of playing against a lot of 3-3-5 and Quarters "Show Blitz" online, since those defenses screw with the blocking AI and can stop the pass and the run efficiently, while defenses like the 4-3 are pretty much worthless all the way around.

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