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NBA 2K9 Team-Up Mode Not Fixed By Patch (Pasta Padre)

05:53 AM - December 4, 2008 by Steve_OS

Pasta Padre has posted an article that talks about NBA 2K9's Team-Up mode, not fixed by the patch.

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	"One of the supposed fixes in the patch for NBA 2K9 was to make the 5 on 5 Team-Up mode playable. The mode has never worked properly having been inflicted with crippling lag (the worst I�ve ever experienced), disconnects, and frustration. I was concerned with the wording in the patch details and wanted to see how much it improved the performance. Two months after release would Team-Up mode actually function properly and deliver what was advertised? The short answer to that is no. I spent a considerable amount of time trying to play it with very little success. The only games I was able to load into and play involved only a couple other users. There was no success with 7 or more users involved. Here are a couple of the instances I experienced and a few thoughts on it."

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# 21 Chris Smoove @ 12/05/08 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bornindamecca


	In the video he says that it is impossible to get into a 5 on 5 game without major problems. That's just not true.

i challenge you to get a 5 on 5 popping and post the video of the 4th quarter lag free with all 10 players still connected to the game

# 22 Brooklynnets24 @ 12/05/08 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bornindamecca


	In the video he says that it is impossible to get into a 5 on 5 game without major problems. That's just not true.

it is true. I have yetr to have a 5 on 5 game w/o that 34 second clock popping up at random times or the sometimes lag not saying there is a lot of lag. But when i said that it took me 20-25 to find a good 5 on 5 game it literally took me 20-25 and that game still had that 34 second clock popping up at times.

# 23 Stumbleweed @ 12/05/08 02:22 PM

People drop during the game. That's not 2K's problem -- that's a ridiculous standard to hold it to. People drop for all kinds of reasons and not having a full 5 on 5 by the end of the game is very common in all team play games online.. have you played NHL 09, NHL 2K9, or NBA Live's OTP modes? Same deal there.

I'm not saying there aren't any issues, but I guess I just expect a certain amount of issues with 10 people connecting and playing such a resource-intensive game. The only problem I've had lately is games not being able to start because of that "network conditions are too poor" thing. It happened maybe 5 times and wasted probably 2 minutes of my precious life, but I was able to connect to several other games that ran silky smooth in between those non-starters. Maybe I have more patience for this stuff because the game mode itself is so freakin awesome, but it's a huge improvement from pre-patch because I haven't seen any super-laggy games like before and they generally just won't start now instead of dropping you after a 10 minute lag fest where you played all of 45 seconds gametime.

The lag and connection issues were nearly intolerable at first (I still played the mode though despite the frustration), but it's a world of improvement now.

# 24 Chris Smoove @ 12/05/08 02:41 PM

ive played many 10 vs 10 matches on fifa, whether my team is up big or losing big i've still had games were all 20 players were there from start to finish with no lag at all, how about showing an entire 1st quarter playing lag free with all 10 players then, is that challenge better?

# 25 Bornindamecca @ 12/05/08 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Smoove


	i challenge you to get a 5 on 5 popping and post the video of the 4th quarter lag free with all 10 players still connected to the game

I don't have video equipment, otherwise there's a whole bunch of stuff I'd have put up.

# 26 BroMontana82 @ 12/05/08 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bornindamecca


	I don't have video equipment, otherwise there's a whole bunch of stuff I'd have put up.

ok we all know it's true that you can get a lag free 10 on 10 game, but the majority of the time, you won't get one. also, there are certain scenarios where the issues are worse. the biggest problem is trying to create an unranked team up match, where you want to play with 4 of your friends against some other people. this is where you get the could not join lobbies message and all of that garbage from the video.

# 27 tulsa1 @ 12/05/08 03:07 PM

I actually find it easy to get an unranked Team-up game going post-patch. Before the patch, it was hard to do.

# 28 BroMontana82 @ 12/05/08 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tulsa1


	I actually find it easy to get an unranked Team-up game going post-patch. Before the patch, it was hard to do.

how about creating a match?

# 29 TMagic @ 12/05/08 03:36 PM

From my brief experience with the online five on five, it is very VERY much improved.

It's amazing that everybody seems to be having confounding findings when it comes to this game. In every area of the game it seems that one person thinks it's fine and another thinks it's terrible.

If I remember correctly, I played three 5 on 5 games. Lag free. No choppiness. Like Stumble said, the only time the countdown came up was when someone dropped. That's it. Which is not under 2K's control.

The only other problem I found was that some games would only start with a few users. I'd back out and find another game. Simple. I didn't have any problems connecting to a host, not once. It searched for the game, connected to a host and I was in every time I tried it.

The 5 on 5 is far more enjoyable than it was before the patch. These were all ranked games as well. Pre-patch, the 5 on 5 played like crap, plain and simple. I played 3 games with 10 users a piece, with no problems. Again, This is MY EXPERIENCE.

For some of you to think that people are just making things up for whatever reason, is just silly. What benefit do any of us gain from lying about our experiences?

# 30 Stumbleweed @ 12/05/08 03:53 PM

Heh, finally I got my TMagic powder blue name!

And I have no reason to try to hide flaws of 2K's game -- I was decidedly lukewarm on the game ever since the release high wore off, but I always thought that Team-Up was the best part of the game, even despite the issues. There was so much potential there if they could only sort out the lag/connection issues.. in my experience the past few days, those issues are greatly improved. The patch really improved the gameplay in my eyes and gave me back 2K Cam, so I'm back in love with the game, but I was about to jump ship to NCAA 09 a week ago.

I enjoy all three games and have no qualms about calling 2K out on things -- it was broken initially, but to say that's still the case doesn't seem fair to me, given the number of people reporting games running smoothly with minimal issues. I know that NBa Live's OTP runs nearly perfectly every time, but EA is also a gigantic company with tons of servers, a huge development/online team, and the game isn't nearly as popular as 2K9, resulting in a smaller server load. So there are legit reasons for them having connection problems even after a fix -- it's just very difficult to find 10 people with reliable connections, open NAT, etc., especially with such a technologically-demanding game.

If some idiot leaves his torrent client up while he's seeding or downloading some files, it'll ruin the whole game.. nothing 2K can do about that except not let the games start, which is essentially what they're doing with these error messages. It wastes much less of your time than it did before when you'd enter a lagfest game that took 20 minutes to get through 2 minutes of game time only to get booted.. give me the countdown screen and "network conditions are too poor" or "this game cannot be started" any day.

# 31 Pared @ 12/05/08 04:23 PM

That is very true, Stumble.

If just one person has a bad connection it will drag the entire game's connection down with it. It's just the nature of the system and out of 2k's hands.

# 32 Chris Smoove @ 12/05/08 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pared


	That is very true, Stumble. If just one person has a bad connection it will drag the entire game's connection down with it. It's just the nature of the system and out of 2k's hands.

what about fifa 09? can play with 20 ppl from ALL over the world

# 33 Pared @ 12/05/08 04:48 PM

You and a select others seem to have made it your mission to spam the boards.

We get it. You're upset for whatever reason.

That still has nothing to do with 2k's netcode and how 5 on 5 works post-patch. If one person has lag or someone disconnects, it screws up the game.

You have an answer, although not one that is apparently good enough for you. They obviously need to improve their netcode because, as you so insistently post all over the boards, other games do a better job of handling disconnects. To say that everyone can't connect and enjoy the game is simply un-true, however.

I would think some of you would hit a point where you realize your comments are nothing but whiny as you keep stating the same things over and over. If it's enough for you to be this upset with it, it's probably better you move on. But there's a reason you're this passionate about it, and it's because you WANT TO PLAY IT, because it's fun.

Obviously you're allowed to voice your displeasure about it but your comments start to get old when you keep posting them in every single thread. Over. And over. And over.

# 34 Stumbleweed @ 12/05/08 04:52 PM

I remember hearing that EA has a different server architecture than 2K does... that 2K uses P2P and EA has dedicated servers that host and support the games. Anyone else remember that? If true, that's probably the key regarding FIFA, as that game is very popular and has people from all over the world playing 10 on 10 -- being a larger company would give EA a distinct advantage in terms of how they handle lag issues, I'd imagine..

# 35 Pared @ 12/05/08 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stumbleweed


	I remember hearing that EA has a different server architecture than 2K does... that 2K uses P2P and EA has dedicated servers that host and support the games. Anyone else remember that? If true, that's probably the key regarding FIFA, as that game is very popular and has people from all over the world playing 10 on 10 -- being a larger company would give EA a distinct advantage in terms of how they handle lag issues, I'd imagine..

They are certainly both using very different networking structures. If you'd notice all of EA's titles (aside from Madden) are pretty solid and all of 2k's have more issues, when compared.

# 36 Chris Smoove @ 12/05/08 04:59 PM

no i have not gotten my answer, the answer im looking for is for the game mode to actually work as advertised, they promoted the game with this feature that they added because their competition offered this feature last year, yet they cant get theirs to work and they knew this, so they should have never advertised it

and i seriously dont believe that anyone has been able to get a 5 on 5 with all ten players to work lag free, ive yet to see any proof of that and that is what im requesting, ppl that claim that the patch fixed it are lying because when i try, or go to a friends house and try, or ask the friends on my friends list on xbl to try they tell me it doesnt work

that is y i asked for someone to show me some footage of it working with all 10 players lag free, its just not possible on 2ks servers, therefore they shouldnt have falsely advertised this feature

# 37 Stumbleweed @ 12/05/08 05:02 PM

Okay, I'll do my best to get on tonight and use my Dazzle to capture a full 5 on 5 game. If people drop during the game, that's nobody's fault, but I'll start a game that shows 10 players in the pre-game lobby and post the video of how everything goes from there and people can draw their own conclusions. I'll let you know if I ended up cherry-picking some of the footage or had to try multiple times to start the game, etc.

And yeah, I just LOVE lying to strangers on an internet forum about something that carries no discernible benefit for me. It's practically my favorite way to spend my time these days.

1. Get Up
2. Shower
3. Go To Work.
4. Lie to some dude named Chris Smoove about my online gaming experience
5. Eat Dinner
6. Go To Sleep

Leave the questions about other (WAY more established here than yourself, by the way) members credibility out of it please... no place in this discussion. I'm not saying you're lying about having tons of issues, I expect the same respect from you.

# 38 mvb34 @ 12/05/08 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Brooklynnets24


	how are people disagreeing with pasta when more then one person is having the same exact problems...

Blind love for 2K..

# 39 Stumbleweed @ 12/05/08 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mvb34


	Blind love for 2K..

Yes, that's exactly it. Or maybe it's because you can't fix the fact that some people with bad connections can ruin everyone's online gaming experience. Everyone is not ALWAYS going to have a perfect 5 on 5 experience every time they try to start a game... that's an unrealistic expectation, and 2K said nothing of the sort. You can't always finish a game or have it be completely lag-free all the time in Madden or any other online game either... that's the nature of online gaming.

Some companies and games can handle these issues better than others, but it's generally the behemoth games like Gears, Halo, Madden, etc. who have insane amounts of resources invested into them that run perfectly online. 2K simply isn't that scale of game and 2K isn't that kind of company, even with Take-Two backing them.

Maybe 2K should change the way their servers handle games, but I imagine that they would've gone the EA route if they had the resources.

# 40 notque @ 12/05/08 05:17 PM

5 on 5 works for me with no lag.

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