i meant can't on the part talking bout dwight

The Magic F'd themselves over

Just look at Vince Carter. Raptors fans still hate him and boo him when he comes to Toronto.

What he did was almost a decade ago and on par, maybe even worse than what these guys did.

Dwight for sure. LeBron played his heart out and gave it all for Cleveland, they just couldnt get good solid pieces around him. And I dont care what anybody says, he didnt quit on Cleveland. He left as a FREE AGENT and didnt hold the team hostage. It also appeared to be a harder decision for LeBron to leave Cleveland. The guy still does everything up in Akron when he isnt in Miami.

Dwight wanted out, which is fair enough, but the fact that he changed his mind every other day made the whole thing terrible. He basically said he wanted to play for just about every team, but then decided Orlando was the place. Then decides he doesnt like Orlando any more and the Nets are the place for him. The whole thing was a terrible mess and some how he still ended up on a team he wanted to go to....they shouldve sent him to the Bobcats just to give him a big middle finger.

Dwight is a huge tool, he used to be likeable but now he is just a big guy with no real post game and the mindset of the little girl.

It's definitely Dwight.

1. The Dwightmare was more recent and still fresh in our memories.

2. Lebron already won a championship. Many people might still hate him but a winner in the NBA is very hard to be considered as villain.

Once Dwight re-establishes his image by winning championships, I bet his villain status would eventually diminish. And by then, I guess, there would be another name popping up and would stand out as NBA's biggest villain.

I agree that the decision wasn't the most humble way of leaving a team, and it's a shame that the good that came from the decision is and will be over shadowed. great point @thelakeshow. I don't believe Lebron quit on Cleveland or didn't stay the course, I think he lost faith in Management, just look at those teams assembled around him, his best teammates were Mo Williams, Delonte West, Shaq(old), Ben Wallace(Old), Big Z(Old and Injured), Daniel Gibson, JJ Hickson and Larry hughes. Those were the best players he played with in Cleveland. I think when the gm didn't trade JJ for Amare I think that was the last straw. Just like when Kobe was upset that they didn't trade Bynum for Jason Kidd. People don't seem to remember that Lebron was leaning towards returning to Cleveland than Leaving.

Another great point by @mastershake88 Most of these Owners don't give a rat as about wining a championship, if they can sell out every-night, make the playoffs and make a lot of money off of the Star player, they'll prefer that imo.Then spending a lot of money, to get talented players and a great coach so you can win the championship maybe.

Why shell out all of this money? When you are reaping all of these benefits. Imo I think Dan Gilbert was that type of Owner. Cleveland was nothing before Lebron came there(not speaking of the good retro Cavs) he was most likely losing money, so when the opportunity arose to make a buck off of the Cavs he did. Imo he never really invested in the team. So most likely Lebron was heading down the Charles Barkley road. Chasing a ring, no longer in his prime, old and slow. Every Great player turns into a ring chaser at some point in there careers. Clyde, Michael when he returned from baseball, Scottie, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, David Robinson. They've all were trying to get another ring, or their first.


I think Dwight left because he didn't believe in the Management, after the finals they basically rebuilt the team, when they didn't have too. Getting rid of hedo then bringing him back, picking Arenas up, Vince Carter, Jameer Nelson never learning how to be a true PG. The Playoffs showed how bad the Magic regressed, annihilating the Hawks a year ago, then the Hawks beating them, not getting past the celtics besides the year they went to the finals.


These players spend their whole careers for one team, with a Owner or manger that doesn't even care about wining. Then they get traded when their old and damaged, and the Owner can't make that profit off of him anymore. Now you got a hall of famer walking around and all he hears is that he's a failure because he didn't get that one ring. SMH

Dwights way worse

Dwight comes across as the biggest jerk and idiot. His indecisiveness makes him look dumb, not evil. That makes Lebron the biggest villain. He purposely broke the heart of Cleveland in a made for TV, ego stroking moment.

Lebron took less money to win a championship. it's foolish for fans and owners to ask their players for loyalty when teams dump guys every year.

the only thing i ask as a fan is for them to not go to a top rival. Favre-Jets? sure, Favre-Vikings? only thing worse would be the Bears.

Dwighthas been wanting out for years he didn't put on a show like Lebron. I will always despise lebron Dwight is alright.

It should be Dwight but the general public will say LeBron.
When you're the best at something, people are just going to hate regardless

Out of these two, the villain is Lebron. And this is why...

Howard is a tremendous talent and in my opinion, the best Centre in the League. His defensive prowess as a big-man is second to none, and he will be a force on both ends for years to come. His athleticism helps his case when you pit him against any other C (and some if not most PF's) to work efficiently under the hoop. Yes, his offense could use a little polish but if his averages from '11-'12 are anything to go by, he's capable of commanding both ends.

He is still my preferred Centre in the Bynum vs Howard argument and I'm positive he will be in conversations and comparisons with other great centres once his career is finished.

But that's where it ends for Howard. He may one day be a great C, but he isn't the player Lebron was/is projected to be.

That is why Lebron is the bigger villain.

He was projected by so many to be as good, if not better than Michael Jordan. At the time of the 'Decision' Lebron had the talent to lift his game to the next level, and really cement his place next to Jordan. I really do believe that if he had stayed with the Cavs, he would've won a Championship in the '10-'11 season.

He was celebrated before he actually achieved anything. And what made it worse was he was never meek. Not humble in his comparisons. Nothing., all the way up to the decision.

I was never a Cavs supporter or Lebron fan (In fact, I followed Wade, Roy and Ben Wallace for the better part of the last ten years). Lebron was fun to watch because of the way he played when there was no-one else to do the work.

Now, it just doesn't seem (and won't be) as satifying to see him live out the legacy people have pre-layed for him because of Wade and Bosh. And yes they matter in how much of a villain Lebron is. Imagine how much better he would've been (his individual game) had he stayed in Cleveland?

He is the villain because he could've achieved it all by himself with, as Jordan once said, his "supporting cast".

It didn't just affect his fans and supporters, but everyone who watched him become the next Jordan. Or so they thought.......

I think villain is a strong word here. I don't feel that either guy is trying to piss people off or be "the bad guy", but they have both just been immature in a lot of their actions and decision making.

LeBron had a whole summer/1st season in Miami where he just couldn't pull his foot out of his mouth all year, but honestly he was most hated for making a calculated business decision, rather than choosing the sentimental favorite (or anyone else). I definitely think he took an easier route to a title than some legends of the past, but he won it and his individual play was nothing short of spectacular all year, including the playoffs.

Dwight, on the other hand, is hated because of his indecisiveness, and obviously his childish and arrogant personality. The awkward press conference with SVG was bad enough, but for me, it was the moment when he signed the extension with Orlando, and then reiterated his trade demands only days later. Grow the f*ck up Dwight, you aren't good enough to make demands like this, and you obviously aren't smart enough to understand the concept of the league's salary cap. You can't demand to be traded to a team who can't afford you and doesn't have any desirable assets to put on the block. Pretty simple you would think. Oh and by the way, they can't even play you in the final minutes of a close game because YOU CAN'T MAKE A FREE THROW. Douchebag.

shoutouts to Ron Artest.

LMAO @2k10fonzarelli hahahahaha tdp shoutouts.