A comment/discussion about this game going forward...

[SmashMan]

If nothing else, 2K15-2K20 showed me that I like the idea of a "sim" wrestling game more than I actually liked playing one. Unless they massively change the AI to work matches with you, I don't see the point. I'm not even sure that would be fun to play either, but that would at least be them having a clear vision.

I'm good with them keeping the fighting game style as the base but adding in some of the older aspects to find a kind of middle ground though. Improving the AI would be my top priority but I think they want to emphasize head-to-head play and obviously AI wouldn't be important enough to focus on in that case.

[gbmbjj]

Quote: Originally Posted by SmashMan

If nothing else, 2K15-2K20 showed me that I like the idea of a "sim" wrestling game more than I actually liked playing one. Unless they massively change the AI to work matches with you, I don't see the point. I'm not even sure that would be fun to play either, but that would at least be them having a clear vision. I'm good with them keeping the fighting game style as the base but adding in some of the older aspects to find a kind of middle ground though. Improving the AI would be my top priority but I think they want to emphasize head-to-head play and obviously AI wouldn't be important enough to focus on in that case.

Ugh, baffles my mind how so many little things, which are really BIG things still exist in this game when it comes to AI.

The one that really REALLY baffles me, and I've seen it many times, including last night when simming; is this:

Long and amazing back and forth match, 20 mins in .....kick outs left and right, etc etc...

The following sequence plays out (and I've seen this WAY more than once)

- Irish whip ---> drop down --> leapfrog --> hip toss --> 1, 2, 3 PIN!

W
T
F
??!?!?!?!?

[DC]

Yea I would think it would be simply programming to not allow certain moves to end a match.

Hell, the N64 AKI games had that running under the hood. I will find the thread from "Melonbread" but there is no excuse for pattycake finishes like that.

[gbmbjj]

Quote: Originally Posted by DC

Yea I would think it would be simply programming to not allow certain moves to end a match. Hell, the N64 AKI games had that running under the hood. I will find the thread from "Melonbread" but there is no excuse for pattycake finishes like that.

Yep!

Also, it's a minor thing too, but is it?
The commentary with tagteam matches really needs some TLC.

The fact that they are more or less calling it like a singles match throughout the entire match just shows how little they care about the immersive experience overall.

Lastly, I think they need some new and creative ways to end matches; especially if the CPU is a super heel of sorts.

More DQs, illegal holds not being broke, count outs, (purposely, not because the CPU didn't return in time) ...things like that.

I've been playing more than ever lately and I just think that extra wrinkle to the overall game would really pay dividends.

[Fiddy]

Just give me a toggle on or off, can't finish a match unless a finisher or special has landed and stunned the opponent. That isn't perfect, but it's better than nothing and would for sure keep me invested in the game/matches longer.

[gbmbjj]

Quote: Originally Posted by Fiddy

Just give me a toggle on or off, can't finish a match unless a finisher or special has landed and stunned the opponent. That isn't perfect, but it's better than nothing and would for sure keep me invested in the game/matches longer.

Hey Hey, not sure if this is what you are referring to, in regards to finishing Tag matches, but I JUST learned this a few days ago, and I've been playing the game since day 1.

When you are in the ring, you can hold L1 and then press any of the 4 directions on the Dpad to trigger your partner to do certain actions.

right - go attack the tag partner on the apron
left - go get a weapon and throw in the ring
up - remove turnbuckle

I found that if you time it, you can send your partner to attack the other partner while you hit your finisher, and there will be no one to come break it up.

Pretty sweet.