Whats the chance at a deep dive on chain wrestling?

[Granbyroll]

We are almost a year in and most players can't chain together more then one turn. I cant perform the single leg denied to power single switch. You guys made a game with all this beautiful chain wrestling just waiting to be discovered and noone has found out how to do it. This game needs a better tutorial. For now can you please make a deep dive on the chain wrestling and better explain it?

[Granbyroll]

Please? Lol

[johnmangala]

This is the answer I got from zyaf.

"It depends on how fast they defend and both of your ST stam when the first TD is initiated IIRC...

... So basically notice when they defend before they get single under and go for the next turn...

... It's almost always going to be when they have low ST stam."

Videos of it being done:
https://twitter.com/ZyafYT/status/1345209633120522241

https://twitter.com/ZyafYT/status/1333551465089044480

It would be better if these things had training drills in the tutorials. Idk how to do it yet, I have tried to do multiple turns when they have low stamina but I must be doing something wrong. Some sort of drill in the tutorials would be useful in learning this sorta stuff, especially with timing indicators, prompts etc.

[Granbyroll]

I'm sorry but thats just not sufficient enough to learn from.

[Good Grappler]

Honestly, as opposed to focusing on the turns, I think bails into the clinch (and subsequent re-shots) should be the main focus for enhancing the chain wrestling.

Because honestly, it’s the clinch is where the magic happens. That’s where all the immersion of “chain wrestling” comes from. It’s the bails into the clinch, the re-shots and trips, pushing each other around, etc.

So the clinch should be involved more, along with pushing/moving within the clinch. And failed trip attempts shouldn’t lead to automatic separations, and short term stamina cost should be reduced to allow more activity and attempts. This would give players more time to attempt stuff and go from takedown to clinch to trip to takedown again. And decreasing short term stam tax would make it so when they finally separate, they can immediately shoot and do it all over again.

This creates more of an up-down, up-down, you defended my shot but I’m still here type of feel.

The turns are nice and all, especially when they prolong enough to do more than one... but they don’t contribute *THAT* much to a chain wrestling vibe.

[WarMMA]

Quote: Originally Posted by Granbyroll

We are almost a year in and most players can't chain together more then one turn. I cant perform the single leg denied to power single switch. You guys made a game with all this beautiful chain wrestling just waiting to be discovered and noone has found out how to do it. This game needs a better tutorial. For now can you please make a deep dive on the chain wrestling and better explain it?

Btw with switching to power td's off a denied turn, it's easy, but the problem is the controls in the move list are wrong. I learned how to do it by mistake one day. To switch any denied td turn to power, you have to be holding the power td input from the start. Meaning when you shoot, your initially shooting a power td and then attempting a turn. If they deny the turn, it will switch to the power td. It works better in situations where your opponents stamina is low.

[WarMMA]

Quote: Originally Posted by johnmangala

Videos of it being done: https://twitter.com/ZyafYT/status/1345209633120522241 https://twitter.com/ZyafYT/status/1333551465089044480

Did they remove this stuff from the game or something? Cuz I find after they deny one turn, you are unable to control the td anymore it seems. Like after they defend a turn, it'll just drive them forward. I can understand not allowing multiple attempts when opponent has high stamina, but when you have a significant stamina advantage, you should be able to do these things. Sort of like how the td bails into the clinch work now. If I have a good bit of stamina advantage and they deny my first turn attempt, I should be able to go for another turn or bail into clinch, ect. If they removed these things that was a horrible decision. Taking away the beauty of the grappling.

[johnmangala]

Quote: Originally Posted by WarMMA

Did they remove this stuff from the game or something? Cuz I find after they deny one turn, you are unable to control the td anymore it seems. Like after they defend a turn, it'll just drive them forward. I can understand not allowing multiple attempts when opponent has high stamina, but when you have a significant stamina advantage, you should be able to do these things. Sort of like how the td bails into the clinch work now. If I have a good bit of stamina advantage and they deny my first turn attempt, I should be able to go for another turn or bail into clinch, ect. If they removed these things that was a horrible decision. Taking away the beauty of the grappling.

I really dk. I have tried but it never works- multiple turns. I must be doing something wrong, or it was removed idk. Romero said he might make a tutorial on how to do it, hopefully he does.