The slip rear hook

[UFCBlackbelt]

Haven't seen a thread on this even though most players agree its a bit annoying, I won't lie I find myself using it once its used on me.

The fact that it has such a large invulnerability + major counter damage, callback to duck uppercuts.
That is can essentially reset your combos.

Its just too effective imo

[johnmangala]

Yeah it's a bit op. Altair said they are working on it.

What I'm surprised more of is that altair said theres nothing wrong with back sitting RNC. I think people on discord are trying to talk him out of that stance well see if it changes.

[UFCBlackbelt]

Quote: Originally Posted by johnmangala

Yeah it's a bit op. Altair said they are working on it. What I'm surprised more of is that altair said theres nothing wrong with back sitting RNC. I think people on discord are trying to talk him out of that stance well see if it changes.

I'm fine with backsitting RNC, I'm not fine with the fact that my fighter has no proper response to the backtake against the cage.

[johnmangala]

Quote: Originally Posted by UFCBlackbelt

I'm fine with backsitting RNC, I'm not fine with the fact that my fighter has no proper response to the backtake against the cage.

Which one? The one where they drag you back or the one where they hop onto your back?

The first one is turn based denial, the other one is high block.

[UFCBlackbelt]

Quote: Originally Posted by johnmangala

Which one? The one where they drag you back or the one where they hop onto your back? The first one is turn based denial, the other one is high block.

No, the fact that people can press you against the cage and spam the back take from overunder. Even if you deny they can just retake it and ride the whole round out,

unless I'm missing something, its weird because I just cant imagine how this makes sense

[johnmangala]

Quote: Originally Posted by UFCBlackbelt

No, the fact that people can press you against the cage and spam the back take from overunder. Even if you deny they can just retake it and ride the whole round out, unless I'm missing something, its weird because I just cant imagine how this makes sense

I think the back take from over under should be deniable, I dont like how there are so many undeniable transitions now.

But that's beside the point you can escape from there too. You just move out and you escape, you can also instant out when you deny the backpack.

[RetractedMonkey]

Quote: Originally Posted by johnmangala

I think the back take from over under should be deniable, I dont like how there are so many undeniable transitions now. But that's beside the point you can escape from there too. You just move out and you escape, you can also instant out when you deny the backpack.

It is deniable. There are no undeniable positions.

The issue isn't whether you can escape them or not, it's the fact that it is so easy to initiate a position where you essentially have a 50/50 chance to end up in an advanced position that will easily end the fight if you make one mistake.

How many straight up back takes do you see in the UFC? Almost none. And even those are initiated by grapplers. In this game you have every fighter in the game able to easily put someone into back sitting with full stamina, no damage, fight ending RNC capability no matter the ground skills or sub stats.

[johnmangala]

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Wdym there are no undeniable positions? You cant deny single under or single collar and the GNP transitions to other positions. I think you're right you can deny the back take, but only after getting into that position so it's more like transitioning back. I rmb an actual denial (same animation) but I havent been able to do it in a while, could be still in maybe they changed it or something.

I dont like the 50/50s either, I preferred the denial mechanic of the old clinch from ufc 3. I'm just letting him know you can escape those positions since he made it seem like you cant.

And yeah I said early in the patch cycle the backpack should be a grappling specialist move. It's odd seeing Tyson Fury hop on someone's back like that. If they wanna keep a way to get to back sitting for all they should use that other back drag to backside or back sitting.

Also that stats in general should matter way more. But as long as you can knock out Usman with Maia you should be able to sub someone despite similar stat discrepancies. I would like it to be harder tho if they make stats actually matter more, but it should be for both striking and grappling. It's weird seeing Saki be able to sub Jones so easily, same with Maia and Usman for KOs.