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Old 10-10-2018, 12:36 AM   #1
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IDK about you guys, but ACE doesn't work at all for me.

Friend of mine said the same exact thing....seems to me like they pick 1 or 2 plays and just calls them on repeat....
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Old 10-10-2018, 11:16 AM   #2
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Re: IDK about you guys, but ACE doesn't work at all for me.

ACE and 2Ks menus have been ignored and broken the last few years. Don't expect it to be fixed. They already have your money.
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Old 10-10-2018, 04:36 PM   #3
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Re: IDK about you guys, but ACE doesn't work at all for me.

Ace works for me, but only on All Star, Superstar and Hall of Fame. As soon as you change even one slider the game plays so differentl. It becomes so ISO heavy and it’s actually easier. The computer plays dumb, idk but that’s what I see. Put it on Hall of Fame, play for 5 minutes & then Adjust 1 slider just one click til’ it becomes custom & play for 5 more minutes and I guarantee you’ll see a difference.
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Old 10-10-2018, 09:28 PM   #4
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Ace works for me, but only on All Star, Superstar and Hall of Fame. As soon as you change even one slider the game plays so differentl. It becomes so ISO heavy and it’s actually easier. The computer plays dumb, idk but that’s what I see. Put it on Hall of Fame, play for 5 minutes & then Adjust 1 slider just one click til’ it becomes custom & play for 5 more minutes and I guarantee you’ll see a difference.
Wow I thought I was the only one who felt changing sliders from HOF makes
The game very different. I’m stuck between superstar default or HOF with just cpu 3pt at 50

The latter is easier than default superstar
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Old 10-11-2018, 10:09 AM   #5
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Re: IDK about you guys, but ACE doesn't work at all for me.

This is a case of Da_Czar hasn't gotten around to setting up your teams offense as of yet. I was in the same boat as you with ACE calling the same plays over and over again. As they continue to update the game you will start seeing ACE do more. Again to reap the benefits of ACE

Turn ACE On
Play calling AUTO
Play Call Messages to ALL

Now here is what happens with all those things on

Your team will have several profiles which is dictated by Da_Czars scouting of NBA teams. Lets say the 1st quarter your team may run a series and the 2nd quarter it may feature a star player or a hot player. All data driven by Score/Personnel/Quarter/Time of Game/Shot clock. It is dynamically driven as well so it can use take over, a bench player may get more minutes because of his performance.

Trust me this work, I complained about the Lakers only featuring LeBron a few weeks ago, and now ACE digs into the playbook calling plays for Ingram/Stephenson/Beasley ect... it really is good to see it when it comes together.

Here is a video of Da_Czar explaining it. Time Stamped.
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Old 10-11-2018, 11:16 AM   #6
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Re: IDK about you guys, but ACE doesn't work at all for me.

I only have a few major problems with ACE as of now:

1. We have no ability to customize the default Series options on the front-end which means we're at the mercy of the 2K team pushing updates. The game shipped with "incomplete" ACE profiles and it shows for certain teams more than others. I trust Czar will update most of this later in the year, but it is painful to watch for now.

2. The percentage of plays run out of Series vs Playbooks is way too high in key moments of the game, especially the 1st quarter. Czar says there are teams set to run 70% of their offense out of the base Series in the 1st quarter. That often means the CPU's offense is dead in the water if they cannot execute their base Series at a high level. All Series are not made equal and there are a few that the CPU simply can't run with any consistency due to where certain players handle the ball.

A quick example I found within a day of release was the Rockets running the Point series which puts the ball in Capela's hands at the top of the key on every possession, usually leading to either a handoff to CP3 or a pass to Tucker on the elbow which can flow into corner touches for Harden/Melo. If the play leads to Tucker on the elbow, then it's pretty much a guaranteed turnover on anything near default slider settings because the ball has been dominated by two players with low ball control and ball handling abilities.

3. The Run Plays logic is preset to only run plays for the perceived "star" players when the base Series execution finally ends. That means the Touches tendencies are virtually useless in this game with ACE turned On. It's realistic for some teams/coaches as they want the ball in their stars hands, but it removes so much diversity in play style that it makes the play calling predictable and boring after a few games with a team whose star tends to run either Iso or Post based play types.

If we had front-end options for editing any of these, then this wouldn't be a problem. If I'm ever able to get in anyone's ear at 2K/VC, then it's what I would push for. There are so many plays and Series available to run in this game, but the CPU/AI refuses to run more than a few each game. They even advertised on the gameplay blog that we would have a deeper execution of plays in the playbook, but the way ACE is configured prevents us from seeing how deep this system actually is.

Users always have the options to override and call plays, but the CPU doesn't and the problem really doesn't show up until you're in MyCareer NBA games or playing against the CPU in any NBA mode.
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If I'm ever able to get in anyone's ear at 2K/VC, then it's what I would push for.
Send a tweet to Da Czar. Mike Wang and Scott OG are also on Twitter, but Scott doesn't seem to be very concerned about possible patches/updates (or 2K at all for that matter), and Mike mostly tweets to the casuals. Czar is on his horse as far as updates and stuff, especially with offense and playcalling and whatnot.

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Re: IDK about you guys, but ACE doesn't work at all for me.

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I only have a few major problems with ACE as of now:

1. We have no ability to customize the default Series options on the front-end which means we're at the mercy of the 2K team pushing updates. The game shipped with "incomplete" ACE profiles and it shows for certain teams more than others. I trust Czar will update most of this later in the year, but it is painful to watch for now.

2. The percentage of plays run out of Series vs Playbooks is way too high in key moments of the game, especially the 1st quarter. Czar says there are teams set to run 70% of their offense out of the base Series in the 1st quarter. That often means the CPU's offense is dead in the water if they cannot execute their base Series at a high level. All Series are not made equal and there are a few that the CPU simply can't run with any consistency due to where certain players handle the ball.

A quick example I found within a day of release was the Rockets running the Point series which puts the ball in Capela's hands at the top of the key on every possession, usually leading to either a handoff to CP3 or a pass to Tucker on the elbow which can flow into corner touches for Harden/Melo. If the play leads to Tucker on the elbow, then it's pretty much a guaranteed turnover on anything near default slider settings because the ball has been dominated by two players with low ball control and ball handling abilities.

3. The Run Plays logic is preset to only run plays for the perceived "star" players when the base Series execution finally ends. That means the Touches tendencies are virtually useless in this game with ACE turned On. It's realistic for some teams/coaches as they want the ball in their stars hands, but it removes so much diversity in play style that it makes the play calling predictable and boring after a few games with a team whose star tends to run either Iso or Post based play types.

If we had front-end options for editing any of these, then this wouldn't be a problem. If I'm ever able to get in anyone's ear at 2K/VC, then it's what I would push for. There are so many plays and Series available to run in this game, but the CPU/AI refuses to run more than a few each game. They even advertised on the gameplay blog that we would have a deeper execution of plays in the playbook, but the way ACE is configured prevents us from seeing how deep this system actually is.

Users always have the options to override and call plays, but the CPU doesn't and the problem really doesn't show up until you're in MyCareer NBA games or playing against the CPU in any NBA mode.
#3 is extremely evident when playing against the 76ers. It explains why Ben Simmons takes way more shots than he does IRL and why The Process has so few touches...and it goes totally against the set Tendencies in the roster. Simmons has 69 Shot Tendency and Joel has high 90 and yet everytime ive played them Simmons had more shot attempts than anyone not named JJ Redick.
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