#OSFM 17: Chicago White Sox

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

Guys listed in italics are going to be in the game. The few with "*" after their name are players that were removed from previous versions of the game and will be imported using year-to-year saves or recreated with correct service time. Everyone else has my potential ranking next to their name. Feel free to discuss (I want to hear everyone's opinion).

The List:

Starting Pitchers
1. Jose Quintana
2. James Shields
3. Carlos Rodon
4. Derek Holland
5. Miguel Gonzalez
6. Lucas Giolito
7. Reynaldo Lopez
8. Tyler Danish
9. Carson Fulmer
10. David Holmberg* [100% Completed]
11. Chris Volstad* [0% Completed]
12. Michael Kopech (B/89) [100% Completed]
13. Alec Hansen (B/83) [100% Completed]
14. Dane Dunning (C/79) [100% Completed]
15. Spencer Adams (C/77) [100% Completed]
16. Jordan Stephens (C/75) [100% Completed]
17. Jordan Guerrero (C/72) [100% Completed]
18. Dylan Covey (C/71) [100% Completed]
19. Thaddeus Lowry (D/66) [100% Completed]

Relief Pitchers
1. Nate Jones
2. Zach Putnam
3. Dan Jennings
4. Cory Luebke
5. Anthony Swarzak
6. Jake Petricka
7. Tommy Kahnle
8. Chris Beck
9. Michael Ynoa
10. Mike Pelfrey
11. Matt Purke
12. Juan Minaya
13. Greg Infante* [100% Completed]
14. Jake Dunning* [100% Completed] [Transfer from MLB '15]
15. Giovanni Soto* [100% Completed] [Transfer from MLB '16]
16. Scott Snodgress* [100% Completed] [Transfer from MLB '15]
17. Zack Burdi (B/82) [100% Completed]
18. Aaron Bummer (B/74) [100% Completed]
19. Victor Diaz (C/73) [100% Completed]
20. Brian Clark (C/72) [100% Completed]
21. Will Lamb (D/67) [100% Completed]
22. Brad Goldberg (D/66) [100% Completed]
23. Matt Cooper (D/65) [100% Completed]
24. Colton Turner (D/62) [100% Completed]
25. Brandon Brennan (D/59) [100% Completed]

Closing Pitchers
1. David Robertson

Catchers
1. Geovany Soto
2. Kevan Smith
3. Omar Narvaez
4. Carson Blair* [100% Completed] [Transfer from MLB '16]
5. Zack Collins (B/82) [100% Completed]
6. Roberto Pena (C/70) [100% Completed]
7. Alfredo Gonzalez (D/68) [100% Completed]

First Basemen
1. Jose Abreu
2. Nick Delmonico (D/68) [100% Completed]
3. Danny Hayes (D/66) [100% Completed]
4. Keon Barnum (D/63) [100% Completed]
5. Cameron Seitzer (D/56) [100% Completed]

Second Basemen
1. Yoan Moncada
2. Tyler Ladendorf
3. Yolmer Sanchez
4. Luery Garcia
5. Luis Curbelo (C/73) [0% Completed]
6. Jake Peter (C/72) [100% Completed]
7. Ronald Bueno (D/56) [100% Completed]

Third Basemen
1. Todd Frazier
2. Matt Davidson
3. Trey Michalczewski (C/75) [100% Completed]

Shortstops
1. Tim Anderson
2. Tyler Saladino
3. Everth Cabrera* [100% Completed] [Transfer from MLB '16]
4. Jose Vinicio (D/68) [100% Completed]
5. Eddy Alvarez (D/66) [100% Completed]

Left Fielders
1. Melky Cabrera
2. Cody Asche
3. Rymer Liriano* [100% Completed] [Transfer from MLB '15]
4. Jameson Fisher (C/75) [100% Completed]
5. Courtney Hawkins (D/69) [100% Completed]
6. Nick Basto (D/68) [100% Completed]

Center Fielders
1. Charlie Tilson
2. Jason Bourgeois* [Transfer from MLB '16] [Needs Face]
3. Luis Alexander Basabe (C/77) [100% Completed]
4. Adam Engel (C/74) [100% Completed]
5. Alex Call (C/74) [100% Completed]
6. Jacob May (C/72) [100% Completed]
7. Hunter Jones (D/59) [100% Completed]

Right Fielders
1. Avisail Garcia
2. Willy Garcia (C/71) [100% Completed]
3. Micker Adolfo (C/71) [100% Completed]
4. Keenyn Walker (D/56) [100% Completed]

(90/90 Players Spots Filled)

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Additional Players
- C Brett Austin (D/63) [100% Completed]
- RP Miguel Chalas (D/66) [75% Completed]
- SP Bernardo Flores (C/76)
- SP Jace Fry (D/67)
- RP Robinson Leyer (D/66) [100% Completed]
- SP Luis Martinez (C/72)
- RP El'Hajj Muhammad (D/53) [100% Completed]
- C Chris O'Dowd (D/59) [100% Completed]
- SP Zach Thompson (C/71)

[JoeCoolMan24]

Would like to see Curbelo added.

As for ratings, Kopech should be a top 15-20 prospect in baseball, I put his potential in my game to 89.

And Burdi I had about 92 potential as a reliever, because he has a gigantic fastball (103 mph this year) and good control given how huge that fastball is, two of the most important things any great reliever would have. He profiles as an Aroldis Chapman type ceiling, and that's what potential is, right? If prospect rankings did just relievers, I'd imagine he would be a top 3 relief prospect in baseball.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

Quote: Originally Posted by JoeCoolMan24

Would like to see Curbelo added. As for ratings, Kopech should be a top 15-20 prospect in baseball, I put his potential in my game to 89. And Burdi I had about 92 potential as a reliever, because he has a gigantic fastball (103 mph this year) and good control given how huge that fastball is, two of the most important things any great reliever would have. He profiles as an Aroldis Chapman type ceiling, and that's what potential is, right? If prospect rankings did just relievers, I'd imagine he would be a top 3 relief prospect in baseball.

I really want to get Curbelo (or Nunez) in too, but there may be too many needed to fill out the rosters, especially if Quintana is dealt.

I think a 92 is a little high for Burdi, especially if he's got a better potential than Kopech. Don't get me wrong, he's one of my favorite prospects in the system but he is not quite an elite prospect. I usually save the 90's for guys who appear in the top 10 lists (Moncada, Giolito, etc), and I don't think Burdi could be a headliner in a blockbuster.

I could see bumping him up to a 82 potential. Potential can fluctuate up/down on performance, so I always use a +/-5 rule. And look at the potentials for what the game rates similar players in Bruce Rondon (78) and Keone Kela (80). I'm curious to see where Jose Leclerc comes in '17. They have almost identical minor league stats and are in the same age group.

[The Left Shark]

Quote: Originally Posted by CWSpalehoseCWS

I really want to get Curbelo (or Nunez) in too, but there may be too many needed to fill out the rosters, especially if Quintana is dealt. I think a 92 is a little high for Burdi, especially if he's got a better potential than Kopech. Don't get me wrong, he's one of my favorite prospects in the system but he is not quite an elite prospect. I usually save the 90's for guys who appear in the top 10 lists (Moncada, Giolito, etc), and I don't think Burdi could be a headliner in a blockbuster. I could see bumping him up to a 82 potential. Potential can fluctuate up/down on performance, so I always use a +/-5 rule. And look at the potentials for what the game rates similar players in Bruce Rondon (78) and Keone Kela (80). I'm curious to see where Jose Leclerc comes in '17. They have almost identical minor league stats and are in the same age group.

Any chance you'd be able to add extra guys to the vault when the time is right? What I did this year was drop the older minor league fodder type guys like Sands, Campana, Volstad and replaced them with younger depth guys.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

Quote: Originally Posted by The Left Shark

Any chance you'd be able to add extra guys to the vault when the time is right? What I did this year was drop the older minor league fodder type guys like Sands, Campana, Volstad and replaced them with younger depth guys.

Every year I say I'm going to, and every year I seemly drop the ball. I'll try to get some extras in there earlier this year.

[JoeCoolMan24]

Quote: Originally Posted by CWSpalehoseCWS

I think a 92 is a little high for Burdi, especially if he's got a better potential than Kopech. Don't get me wrong, he's one of my favorite prospects in the system but he is not quite an elite prospect. I usually save the 90's for guys who appear in the top 10 lists (Moncada, Giolito, etc), and I don't think Burdi could be a headliner in a blockbuster.

But I don't see potential (or overall) as being equal from every position on the field. You can't value a 95 reliever higher than a 94 starter. IMO, relievers are rated against each other, so while I think Burdi is a 92 potential versus an 89 for Kopech, I am not comparing the two players as Kopech at 89 is far more valuable than Burdi at 92.

However, after looking at ratings of the games top closers, I didn't realize how few were above 92. I expected to see Jansen at like 96, Chapman around 94, and a couple others at 90-93. But that wasn't the case. So I think I would revise him to an 88 potential in my game.

But you didn't comment on Kopech being only an 85. By your own standards, you save players rated in the 90s for the top 10 prospects in baseball. Kopech will likely show up around 15-20 on most lists, thus a high 80s rating seems appropriate. Not that 85 is far off, just figured a top 5 pitching prospect in baseball would land somewhere around 90.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

Quote: Originally Posted by JoeCoolMan24

But I don't see potential (or overall) as being equal from every position on the field. You can't value a 95 reliever higher than a 94 starter. IMO, relievers are rated against each other, so while I think Burdi is a 92 potential versus an 89 for Kopech, I am not comparing the two players as Kopech at 89 is far more valuable than Burdi at 92. However, after looking at ratings of the games top closers, I didn't realize how few were above 92. I expected to see Jansen at like 96, Chapman around 94, and a couple others at 90-93. But that wasn't the case. So I think I would revise him to an 88 potential in my game. But you didn't comment on Kopech being only an 85. By your own standards, you save players rated in the 90s for the top 10 prospects in baseball. Kopech will likely show up around 15-20 on most lists, thus a high 80s rating seems appropriate. Not that 85 is far off, just figured a top 5 pitching prospect in baseball would land somewhere around 90.

Your absolutely right on Kopech, especially after his great AFL showing. I agree he needs to be higher (I was worried I was going to over valued him). I initially planned on putting him at 89, but I held off out of fear of people calling me a homer.

What do you think about Hansen? I originally had him at a 83, but felt he needed to drop a few because his floor is so incredibly low. He's a tricky case because he lost a lot of stock this year with his terrible college performance and lit it up once he started playing pro ball. I don't know if 80 is too low, but that does equate to a #3-4 type of starter or high-end reliever.

[ShowTyme15]

White Sox just signed Everth Cabrera to a minor league deal. He didn't play in the majors last year so he'll need to be created if you plan on adding him (just carry him over).