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tjspeaks · 03-23-2015, 09:46 AM

to OS.com,

Feel free to delete if required, however, people want to discuss this game and we love OS.com, which is, for many of us, our 'go to site' for information. The following are facts that people would love to know and can be verified by the 100+ people who stopped by the broadcast.

Damon Grow has spent several hours the last two Sunday evenings in the chat during the SFL's live broadcast of APF2K: http://www.twitch.tv/simulationfl

He can't say much, but has made several statements:

1) he is blown away at the SFL's broadcast
2) he is a huge fan of NFL2K5 and APF2K8
3) he said JM16's 'customization is deep'
4) he said 'change is coming' when someone asked him about 'why pay big name announcers when you can get local talent and add things often to keep it fresh'. (have no idea what this means and may have been a general statement about simulation football)

As far as a lawsuits for providing customization tools (as some have suggested) ... this has been done a dozen times in video games with zero lawsuits. Would EA or the NFL sue the public for using a tool to replicate their league? History tells us 'no'.

----------------- Past confirmed news ----------------

from BigFNdeal's compilation

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ultralow36 · 03-23-2015, 10:23 AM

yep i checked that out after seeing his twitter

kjcheezhead · 03-23-2015, 11:20 AM

I dont think the NFL can sue for a game providing customization tools. Backbreaker provided the tools just fine. It's the sharing that causes the problems. If the tools are easy to use and the customization is as deep as they say, it won't be too difficult for people to recreate the NFL or CFL or whatever on their own.

mestevo · 03-23-2015, 11:42 AM

If they provided the tools and capabilities everyone's hoping for and it's remotely as successful as everyone seems to be expecting then yeah, they can expect to face litigation, right or wrong.

It's a risk, no two ways about it. A risk they have to manage, and others have managed by restricting the capabilities of the tools. It's just as much about being able to defend themselves in a lawsuit as it is about winning one.

jp7588 · 03-23-2015, 12:03 PM

I can't see EA/NFL winning such a lawsuit but the threat of litigation, and the associated costs, may prove to be a big enough deterrent. Unless they've got a publisher with deep pockets who would be willing to go to bat for them, giving us the customization we want is a financial risk that may not be worth the trouble.

Heck, the modding community might be enough to scare them away from releasing on PC, regardless of the level of in-game customization. People will turn the thing into an NFL game in a flash, at no fault of the developer. Would they be sued for that? I dunno, but I wouldn't be surprised and that's depressing.

Also, I watched SimulationFL for a bit this weekend and it was awesome. Really made me miss APF.

Big FN Deal · 03-23-2015, 12:07 PM

Good thread Tj, I agree about people that want to discuss JM16 should have some place to on OS. I got into the stream late, missed the part about Grow saying the customization would be deep but did catch the "change is coming" comment. I had compiled a list of other things revealed by Grow from various places for a thread, maybe you can add them to this one as part of the discussion.

With all the rumors and mystery surrounding this game, it seemed appropriate to have a thread where everyone could find, as well as discuss, what has been revealed about Joe Montana 16.

Fan variation, weather conditions, player model special effects, mo'capping, Montana hands on involved in development, TD dances and prioritizing player AI.

Spoiler

Core Franchise Mode, NFL2k5 homage, interactive stadium displays, dynamic weather, utilizing Unreal Engine 4 and was demoed at Super Bowl XLIX (Feb 2015)

Spoiler

nowayout47 · 03-23-2015, 12:22 PM

It is not about providing tools, it is about allowing the community to easily access the files made with the tools. Backbreaker didn't get sued, because they didn't give the game a file share system. You had to either make it all yourself or jumps through hoops to download the file online and to put it back on your Xbox. If Jm16 has a file share system and they don't do a good job of removing NFL files from the database then they will probably get sued for that.

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edit: Oh hey that SFL is commentated by that Irvine guy. I remember when he did that NCAA sim league (not using NCAA teams, but using the teambuilder.)

tjspeaks · 03-23-2015, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Big FN Deal


	Good thread Tj, I agree about people that want to discuss JM16 should have some place to on OS. I got into the stream late, missed the part about Grow saying the customization would be deep but did catch the "change is coming" comment. I had compiled a list of other things revealed by Grow from various places for a thread, maybe you can add them to this one as part of the discussion.

- Concur, operationsports.com is the only place many of us go for information on sports video games. We are not sure why every post about a game we want to discuss was closed. If required, we would be fine with threads being deleting that were not backed by facts (which in this case stated by Damon). Thanks to the OS crew for allowing one thread (whether it's this one or a 'general discussion' one).

- We did see you in the broadcast chat. Deep customization was the big news (actually breaking news) from Damon. As far as 'change is coming', we can't say he was referring to the broadcasters portion of the game or just in general.

- On the customization, 'create a player' goes back decades and many games have allowed you to build your own team. nowayout47 makes a good point about tools vs sharing. Regardless, franchise mode and deep customization is confirmed and in the game. However, it won't matter unless the gameplay is excellent and the graphics/animations are good.

03-23-2015, 09:46 AM	#1
tjspeaks Banned OVR: 8 Join Date: Jun 2007 Blog Entries: 1	JM16 Customization to OS.com, Feel free to delete if required, however, people want to discuss this game and we love OS.com, which is, for many of us, our 'go to site' for information. The following are facts that people would love to know and can be verified by the 100+ people who stopped by the broadcast. Damon Grow has spent several hours the last two Sunday evenings in the chat during the SFL's live broadcast of APF2K: http://www.twitch.tv/simulationfl He can't say much, but has made several statements: 1) he is blown away at the SFL's broadcast 2) he is a huge fan of NFL2K5 and APF2K8 3) he said JM16's 'customization is deep' 4) he said 'change is coming' when someone asked him about 'why pay big name announcers when you can get local talent and add things often to keep it fresh'. (have no idea what this means and may have been a general statement about simulation football) As far as a lawsuits for providing customization tools (as some have suggested) ... this has been done a dozen times in video games with zero lawsuits. Would EA or the NFL sue the public for using a tool to replicate their league? History tells us 'no'. ----------------- Past confirmed news ---------------- from BigFNdeal's compilation Spoiler (Fan variation, weather conditions, player model special effects, mo'capping, Montana hands on involved in development, TD dances and prioritizing player AI.) Thus far, Grow has released a few nuggets of information about the game. First, the crowds in the football game he is working on have 3500 fan permutations[and weather conditions] (Feb 4). That doesn’t mean there are 3500 fan models though, just that fans can be ordered or varied in 3500 different ways — that’s a key difference which many overlooked when that information was initially released. Another release of information from Grow was met with a hashtag of “#TheGrind”, which can be assumed to be talking about the development of the game. On the wall in the picture are player models — which one could assume are from the football game in development. (Jan 28) Grow has posted a couple of times the player models they are working on as assets, one an impressive GIF showing sweat and blood vessel dilation (Jan 21) and another showing a face, presumably a development asset. (Dec 31) We know motion capture has taken place (Nov 21), there will be touchdown dances (Nov 18), and that Joe Montana has at least some input into the game (Nov 19). Later tweets by Grow indicate Montana may be heavily involved in the development. (Jan 10) Joe Montana himself showed off a brief bit of in-game animation, claiming the game was more than a roster update (Oct 22). Grow confirmed player cards and ratings — with AI being a main focus. (Nov 14) Core Franchise Mode, NFL2k5 homage, interactive stadium displays, dynamic weather, utilizing Unreal Engine 4 and was demoed at Super Bowl XLIX (Feb 2015) https://twitter.com/damongrow/status/572463123023601664 https://twitter.com/DamonGrow/status/565300272428494849 https://twitter.com/DamonGrow/status/563150469665538049 https://twitter.com/damongrow/status/542908900949753856 https://twitter.com/JoeMontana/statu...095616/photo/1 https://twitter.com/DamonGrow/status/561662217557266433 https://twitter.com/DamonGrow/status/561911302990221312 The_Cane, GiantBlue76, Jumpman232 and 6 others like this. Last edited by tjspeaks; 03-23-2015 at 05:34 PM.

03-23-2015, 10:23 AM	#2
ultralow36 MVP OVR: 0 Join Date: Mar 2011	Re: JM16 Customization yep i checked that out after seeing his twitter

03-23-2015, 11:20 AM	#3
kjcheezhead MVP OVR: 27 Join Date: May 2009 Blog Entries: 1	Re: JM16 Customization I dont think the NFL can sue for a game providing customization tools. Backbreaker provided the tools just fine. It's the sharing that causes the problems. If the tools are easy to use and the customization is as deep as they say, it won't be too difficult for people to recreate the NFL or CFL or whatever on their own.

03-23-2015, 11:42 AM	#4
mestevo MVP OVR: 33 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 19,651 Blog Entries: 1	Re: JM16 Customization If they provided the tools and capabilities everyone's hoping for and it's remotely as successful as everyone seems to be expecting then yeah, they can expect to face litigation, right or wrong. It's a risk, no two ways about it. A risk they have to manage, and others have managed by restricting the capabilities of the tools. It's just as much about being able to defend themselves in a lawsuit as it is about winning one. SageInfinite likes this.

03-23-2015, 12:03 PM	#5
jp7588 Pro OVR: 6 Join Date: Aug 2003	Re: JM16 Customization I can't see EA/NFL winning such a lawsuit but the threat of litigation, and the associated costs, may prove to be a big enough deterrent. Unless they've got a publisher with deep pockets who would be willing to go to bat for them, giving us the customization we want is a financial risk that may not be worth the trouble. Heck, the modding community might be enough to scare them away from releasing on PC, regardless of the level of in-game customization. People will turn the thing into an NFL game in a flash, at no fault of the developer. Would they be sued for that? I dunno, but I wouldn't be surprised and that's depressing. Also, I watched SimulationFL for a bit this weekend and it was awesome. Really made me miss APF. Last edited by jp7588; 03-23-2015 at 12:20 PM.

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03-23-2015, 12:07 PM	#6
Big FN Deal Banned OVR: 33 Join Date: Aug 2011	Re: JM16 Customization Good thread Tj, I agree about people that want to discuss JM16 should have some place to on OS. I got into the stream late, missed the part about Grow saying the customization would be deep but did catch the "change is coming" comment. I had compiled a list of other things revealed by Grow from various places for a thread, maybe you can add them to this one as part of the discussion. With all the rumors and mystery surrounding this game, it seemed appropriate to have a thread where everyone could find, as well as discuss, what has been revealed about Joe Montana 16. Fan variation, weather conditions, player model special effects, mo'capping, Montana hands on involved in development, TD dances and prioritizing player AI. Spoiler From OS Thus far, Grow has released a few nuggets of information about the game. First, the crowds in the football game he is working on have 3500 fan permutations[and weather conditions] (Feb 4). That doesn’t mean there are 3500 fan models though, just that fans can be ordered or varied in 3500 different ways — that’s a key difference which many overlooked when that information was initially released. Another release of information from Grow was met with a hashtag of “#TheGrind”, which can be assumed to be talking about the development of the game. On the wall in the picture are player models — which one could assume are from the football game in development. (Jan 28) Grow has posted a couple of times the player models they are working on as assets, one an impressive GIF showing sweat and blood vessel dilation (Jan 21) and another showing a face, presumably a development asset. (Dec 31) We know motion capture has taken place (Nov 21), there will be touchdown dances (Nov 18), and that Joe Montana has at least some input into the game (Nov 19). Later tweets by Grow indicate Montana may be heavily involved in the development. (Jan 10) Joe Montana himself showed off a brief bit of in-game animation, claiming the game was more than a roster update (Oct 22). Grow confirmed player cards and ratings — with AI being a main focus. (Nov 14) Core Franchise Mode, NFL2k5 homage, interactive stadium displays, dynamic weather, utilizing Unreal Engine 4 and was demoed at Super Bowl XLIX (Feb 2015) Spoiler https://twitter.com/damongrow/status/572463123023601664 https://twitter.com/DamonGrow/status/565300272428494849 https://twitter.com/DamonGrow/status/563150469665538049 https://twitter.com/damongrow/status/542908900949753856 https://twitter.com/JoeMontana/statu...095616/photo/1 https://twitter.com/DamonGrow/status/561662217557266433 https://twitter.com/DamonGrow/status/561911302990221312 howboutdat, footballismyhobby, steelers99_58_36 and 2 others like this. Last edited by Big FN Deal; 03-23-2015 at 12:18 PM. Reason: getting link to work

03-23-2015, 12:22 PM	#7
nowayout47 Rookie OVR: 0 Join Date: Jan 2013	Re: JM16 Customization It is not about providing tools, it is about allowing the community to easily access the files made with the tools. Backbreaker didn't get sued, because they didn't give the game a file share system. You had to either make it all yourself or jumps through hoops to download the file online and to put it back on your Xbox. If Jm16 has a file share system and they don't do a good job of removing NFL files from the database then they will probably get sued for that. Spoiler It is kind of why I'm hoping it is on PC, too. It would probably be a lot easier to get NFL files on there (without the use of a file share system in-game) compared to consoles. edit: Oh hey that SFL is commentated by that Irvine guy. I remember when he did that NCAA sim league (not using NCAA teams, but using the teambuilder.) Last edited by nowayout47; 03-23-2015 at 12:37 PM.

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