Wingspan/Speed formula

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Measurements and speeds for all the teams
This is a new *1/28 link http://sdrv.ms/1b3j7j6 *1/28
Sorry if it was bookmarked. This should be the last time I change the link. It will have the five or so players that were missing.

Chunt is keeping a file going. Thanks a ton. I hope it doesn't get too corrupted.
Gamertag: Chunt04
Roster: OS Roster
GR5Noles has a file on the PS 4.

Thanks again...

Once I realized we could adjust arms, shoulders and legs/torso it was the first thing I wanted to edit. The gameplay was more about curiosity and an organic, sensible foundation to build off of. The speed ratings packed their bags and said we’re coming too. Speed has bothered me for a while. I posted speed edits for 2k10. The problem I have with the speed ratings is that I know they are wrong. I went to a basketball school, I was more of a football player but I played varsity hoops at St Thomas Moore. Same school that featured Quincy Douby, and Andre Drummond recently. I watched the post graduate team practice I know that speed blends all over positions, height, race and body type. Ive timed players, counted their steps in the game and in real life.



Decent example of it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl0L3pxToSE. Fastforward to the real footage then work backwards a little.

I wondered about the consequences that come as a result of getting it wrong. At the same time I know the threshold was worse in 2k6; 2k7 had catchup speed, and 2k10 slowed you down considerably while dribbling with a weak offhand. I understand why people would wonder why I would raise minimum speed.



I think the speed ratings are close to NBA with a default 50 on the slider. It wasn’t built for default but 51 seemed the best and that’s only one away from default so… I have found that while the players move about as fast as a combine sprint which is close to what you get when you clock someone on the break the speed fluctuates. I don’t know how much it fluctuates outside of the freestyle practice gym but I know it fluctuates in the gym. Guys seem to run like they shoot. Sometimes they are excellent on a sprint sometimes they are little off but the median seems right.

Back to the consequences.


This is a good read

http://hoopchalk.com/2013/03/27/the-...-in-isolation/

It certainly seems like getting speed wrong trickled up to big men dragging down onball defense offset by more perimeter contact than Jerry West faced in the 70s. Big men in NBA 2k are like fat lineman in the NFL. The defensive stance is in worse shape than the speed. I hope more organic speeds can help fix it. This game has potential-

I counted 41 attributes 33 sig badges, 22 personality badges, 58 tendencies, and 40 signature animations give or take. It’s a tough count. Lot of scrolling. Makes you wonder.

I'll go into some detail about how I derive the numbers at a later date. (Some mention a few post down.)




Measurements
Wingspan/Shoulder width/torso(legs length the lower the longer)

Kings
Quincy Acy 96 68 0
DeMarcus Cousins 100 66 15
Jimmer Fredette 52 70 47
Rudy Gay 100 64 6
Aaron Gray 52 56 50
Carl Landry 38 78 50
Ray McCallum 48 64 46
Ben McLemore 72 54 34
Travis Outlaw 74 68 28
Isaiah Thomas 75 55 10
Jason Thompson 76 64 24
Marcus Thornton 50 71 34
Derrick Williams 80 66 26

Thunder
Durant
89 63 18
Westbrook
90 65 08
Serge Ibaka
63 69 24
Reggie Jackson
94 62 16
68 55 30
Adams
66 76 38
Perry Jones
38 43 35
Nick collision
70 60 35
Perkins
72 91 30
Fisher
68 72 19
Gomes
94 66 30
Jeremy Lamb
84 68 6
roberson
64 68 35
Thabeet
75 58 27

Pacers

Butler
94 55 00
Copeland
68 50 34
Paul George
75 55 22
Danny Granger
54 100 46
Roy Hibbert
53 58 42
George Hill
74 88 15
Ian Mahinmi
75 64 26
Solomon Hill
56 66 40
Orlando Johnson
100 71 15
Scola
48 50 50
Sloan
66 57 38
Stephenson
100 58 12
Watson
60 83 35
West
100 75 13

Knicks
Cole Aldrich
100 56 24
Carmelo Anthony
86 56 17
Andrea Bargnani
48 50 44
Tyson Chandler
51 70 40
Raymond Felton
88 60 15
Tim Hardaway Jr.
55 55 27
Kenyon Martin
56 42 50
Toure Murry
75 75 30
Pablo Prigioni
58 41 41
Iman Shumpert
53 83 18
J.R. Smith
61 69 40
Amar'e Stoudemire
77 62 34
Jeremy Tyler
91 61 13
Beno Udrih
55 62 50
Metta World Peace
72 67 36


Bulls
D.J. Augustin 90 41 13
Carlos Boozer 69 81 14
Jimmy Butler 40 42 40
Mike Dunleavy 47 45 35
Taj Gibson 94 66 8
Kirk Hinrich 50 70 40
Nazr Mohammed 79 56 24
Erik Murphy 56 45 45
Joakim Noah 33 81 38
Derrick Rose 79 71 33
Tony Snell 87 53 28
Marquis Teague 66 80 27


Aldridge
80 68 15
Lillard
48 94 50
Matthews
64 70 36
Batum
92 64 11
Williams
64 46 36
Lopez
66 66 41
Cj
50 73 30
Wright
71 56 30
Robinson
84 78 16
Freeland
50 40 53
Watson
60 40 42
Crabe
71 61 29 God this Guy looks like Marlon Wayans meets the Goonies
Leonard
51 59 45
Barton
73 38 20


Lakers Measurements
Bryant
100 44 5
Gasol
77 40 36
Nash
50 40 50
Nick Young
63 90 35
Xavier Henry
75 69 27
Blake 57 57 45
Kaman 40 48 60

Jordan Hill
59 67 36
Meeks
20 30 60
Farmar 21 26 75
Sacre
37 39 63
Shawne Williams
71 81 29
Johnson

83, 35, 7

Heat Measurements
LeBron 63,71,38
Wade 82,73,10
Bosh
65 65 18
Allen
60 54 39
Chalmers
62 67 41
Cole
53 62 50
Battier
40 50 57
Haslem 66 50 50
Andersonj
60 54 39
Beasley 50 68 55
Mason
60 40 43
Lewis 68 31 35
Oden 69 53 26
Anthony
70 81 40
Jones
75 72 23


Timber wolves
Barea
45/45/53
Brewer
40 46 50
Budinger
25 35 60
Cunningham
73 53 36
Robbie Hummel
23 24 70
Kevin Love
62 58 45
Kevin Martin
56 62 44
Luc Richard Mbah A Moute
69 63 32
Shabaz Mohamed
95 55 05
Nikola Pekovic
58 78 50
A.J. Price
61 61 39
Ricky Rubio
67 70 32
Alexey Shved
38 38 50
Dieng
94 38 0
Ronny Turiaf
87 53 13


Clippers
Matt Barnes
17 54 65
Reggie Bullock
41 75 40
Darren Collison
49 56 40
Jamal Crawford
85 55 10
Jared Dudley
38 44 50
Willie Green
76 56 25
Blake Griffin
37 50 45
Ryan Hollins
60 50 33
Stephen Jackson
63 60 32
Antawn Jamison
50 64 40
DeAndre Jordan
100 76 10
Byron Mullens
44 50 50
Chris Paul
45 75 25
J.J. Redick
16 50 65
Maalik Wayns
57 55 40

Suns
Bledsoe
86 70 10
Christmas
16.25 75 57 25
Dragic
62 50 42
Frye
65 67 28
Goodwin
81 59 19
Green
63 58 38
Kravtsov
100 56 15
Alex Len
52 61 48
Markief Morris
63 49 37
Marcus Morris
56 58 44
Okafor
100 52 5
Plumlee
27 46 70
Ish Smith
57 70 45
Tucker
85 65 12
Pistons
Billups
63 54 30
Will Bynum
54 80 35
KCP
56 64 44
Datome
56 57 44
Drummond
80 84 10
Harrellson
50 62 60
Jennings
75 62 30
Jerebko
68 76 28
Tony Mitchel
82 73 11
Greg Monroe
58 76 40
Kyle Singler
54 56 47
Payton Siva
52 68 48
Josh Smith
78 56 15
Rodney Stucky
66 52 31
Charlie Villanueva
60 55 30

Celtics
Brandon Bass
97 69 00
Keith Bogans
66 68 32
Avery Bradley
64 72 36
MarShon Brooks
84 86 16
Jordan Crawford
76 48 10
Vitor Faverani
77 54 27
Jeff Green
52 88 35
Kris Humphries
58 68 38
Courtney Lee
58 50 40
Kelly Olynyk
26 38 74
Phil Pressey
56 75 44
Rajon Rondo
100 74 10
Jared Sullinger
66 74 34
Gerald Wallace
71 64 32

Warriors
Harrison Barnes 45 85 30
Kent Bazemore
76 84 10
Andrew Bogut
53 71 38
Stephen Curry
44 47 45
Toney Douglas
70 64 37
Festus Ezeli
75 89 18
Draymond Green
100 60 10
Andre Iguodala
78 45 16
Ognjen Kuzmic
77 42 32
David Lee
70 56 35
Nemanja Nedovic
20 38 75
Jermaine O'Neal
68 53 37
Marreese Speights
79 70 22
Klay Thompson
66 51 29


Rockets
Omer Asik
78 39 46
Patrick Beverley
79 65 22
Ronnie Brewer
70 70 30
Aaron Brooks
70 72 28
Isaiah Canaan
78 62 26
Omri Casspi
45 55 50
Robert Covington
94 68 12
Francisco Garcia
67 62 33
James Harden
94 56 30
Dwight Howard
89 61 13
Terrence Jones
77 67 18
Jeremy Lin
46 48 40
Donatas Motiejunas
53 47 47
Chandler Parsons
39 43 53
Greg Smith
75 75 20

Nuggets
Darrell Arthur
64 50 33
Wilson Chandler
73 65 21
Kenneth Faried
88 56 28
Evan Fournier
57 67 43
Randy Foye
54 68 36
Danilo Gallinari
61 61 37
Jordan Hamilton
58 54 22
J.J. Hickson
73 67 16
Ty Lawson
50 50 50
JaVale McGee
100 53 16
Andre Miller
68 79 38
Quincy Miller
90 50 30
Timofey Mozgov
50 58 56
Anthony Randolph
79 61 30
Nate Robinson
72 64 40

Raptilians

Dwight Buycks
74 41 29
Austin Daye
74 60 38
DeMar DeRozan
55 65 40
Landry Fields
62 54 30
Tyler Hansbrough
53 60 38
Chuck Hayes
75 64 47
Amir Johnson
50 64 44
Kyle Lowry
70 54 32
Steve Novak
38 44 32
Patrick Patterson
72 64 23
Terrence Ross
46 48 36
John Salmons
98 47 30
Julyan Stone
65 65 18
Jonas Valanciunas
64 64 34
Greivis Vasquez
50 58 50

76ers
Lavoy Allen
64 55 38
James Anderson
79 43 26
Lorenzo Brown
49 65 33
Michael Carter-Williams
51 60 39
Brandon Davies
71 62 40
Dewayne Dedmon
72 72 24
Spencer Hawes
52 52 48
Arnett Moultrie
52 85 24
Nerlens Noel
84 52 10
Jason Richardson
74 78 30
Hollis Thompson
42 62 43
Evan Turner
54 54 35
Elliot Williams
83 70 19
Tony Wroten
50 60 45
Thaddeus Young
97 55 14


Pels
Alexis Ajinca
90 70 18
Al-Farouq Aminu
97 64 28
Ryan Anderson
54 38 39
Anthony Davis
79 85 13
Tyreke Evans
100 53 9
Eric Gordon
82 73 7
Jrue Holiday
68 60 13
Darius Miller
41 73 16
Anthony Morrow
67 67 33
Austin Rivers
36 55 54
Brian Roberts
46 50 42
Jason Smith
38 45 55
Greg Stiemsma
58 49 52
Tyshawn Taylor
45 79 35
Jeff Withey
43 73 44

Hawks

Pero Antic
34 30 67
Gustavo Ayon
64 67 35
Elton Brand
100 73 14
DeMarre Carroll
69 50 37
Jared Cunningham
47 84 14
Al Horford
52 78 50
John Jenkins
51 85 50
Kyle Korver
44 70 44
Shelvin Mack
60 91 28
Paul Millsap
88 68 26
James Nunnally
60 77 26
Dennis Schroder
69 74 14
Mike Scott
53 67 40
Jeff Teague
90 66 22
Louis Williams
58 66 32


Wizards
Trevor Ariza
95 60 35
Bradley Beal
63 66 20
Trevor Booker
78 44 12
Marcin Gortat
65 65 25
Al Harrington
81 53 24
Eric Maynor
46 66 46
Nene
69 81 18
Otto Porter
67 75 24
Glen Rice
60 69 16
Kevin Seraphin
97 49 20
Chris Singleton
48 90 45
Garrett Temple
68 77 17
Jan Vesely
68 50 55
John Wall
93 57 4
Martell Webster
100 47 16

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[gnusi]

I like this!, do you have anymore edits?

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Quote: Originally Posted by gnusi

I like this!, do you have anymore edits?

Yeah I just added the Lakers and the Heat's speed and measurements.
So far I have the measurements for the Bobcats, Heat, Lakers, Pacers, Timber Wolves, Thunder, and Trail Blazers with the speeds for the Lakers, Heat, Pacers, Thunder and Trail Blazers above.


I've noticed that any speed under 50 fall into the category of "no NBA player runs that slow" so Ive shifted the scale from 50 to 99. I use 3/4 sprint times because while they dont tell you how fast a player plays it tells you how slow they arent. Its also somewhat fair and it creates an athletic curve thats missing. Out of five teams the Heat Trail Blazers Thunder, Pacers and Lakers there are only three guys with 90s and no player above 95 yet.

[jayska23]

The way I'm doing the wingspans are if the players wingspan is 9% bigger than their height than it's a 90
8.4% 84 and so on
I think many of your wingspans and speed are too high like Greg Oden with a 72 speed?

[gnusi]

This is awesome! I was exactly going to ask for lakers edits. however I edit everything, so keep up the good work man

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Quote: Originally Posted by jayska23

The way I'm doing the wingspans are if the players wingspan is 9% bigger than their height than it's a 90 8.4% 84 and so on I think many of your wingspans and speed are too high like Greg Oden with a 72 speed?

Thats kinda what I do with wingspans except I split the number against shoulder width. A higher percentage goes to wingspan when they larger than average standing reaches, a lower percentage goes when its lower than average so guys with maxed shoulders or wingspans have either freakishly long arms from having a huge standing reach or freakish wide shoulders by having a short standing reach with a huge wingspan.

Examples
Kobe has an unearthly standing reach so his wingspan drains from his shoulders. The guy is like 6'4.75 barefoot with an 8'10 standing reach...

Im thinking about redoing the formula for guys like Kobe who goes well past the existing range so I would pour the remainder into shoulders after subtracting it for wingspan. I'll try it right now.

The new Kobe Bryant.
100 44 0


So yeah even the new Kobe is maxed. Two things changed. I found out his

standing reach was in shoes and I changed how I handle maxed stats.



Here is the math. I take the difference between a players wingspan and barefoot height and subtract 1.5 because the models are already somewhat lanky. I would say that they have a slightly above average wingspan. I then take the remainder increase it by a value of ten then cut it in half. I set the two numbers to the side. Lets say the number was 4 I make it 40 then cut in half with two 20s.



So I have two 20s

I then compare their standing reach to the average NBA standing reach for their height. Lets say its .7 greater. I multiply that times a modifier. Its ten now it started off as 1.5. 10 * .7 I get 7. Since the standing reach is greater than average I subtract 7 from shoulder width and give it to wingspan. When the standing reach is less than average I subtract from wingspan and give to shoulder width. What Im changing now is that everytime I subtract I give back after one maxes out so no actual numbers are lost.


This is a redo of a maxed shoulder width as an example.


Danny Granger


You subtract his barefoot height from his wingspan, then subtract 1.5 * 10 /2 and you get two 22s his standing reach is 3.1 inches shorter than average. Go with the formula and...


New Granger

44 100 50


Reducing guys from what they once were is the toughest part about roster edits especially with someone like Oden. This is a dude that was faster than Lillard and CJ. I took 10 off of him and I'm not sure either way. He looked good when he played in the preseason. I was thinking he is back until tells the reporter he has to go ice up. If he has to ice after 10 minutes it makes you wonder. I think he is healthier than advertised and its a ploy. We will see.

[J_Posse]

Nice job, man. You can really see the difference in Nic Batum and Kevin Durant's player models. Have you noticed the longer arms making a difference in gameplay?

from Spurs Nation/Bills Backer HQ using Tapatalk

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Quote: Originally Posted by J_Posse

Nice job, man. You can really see the difference in Nic Batum and Kevin Durant's player models. Have you noticed the longer arms making a difference in gameplay? from Spurs Nation/Bills Backer HQ using Tapatalk

it makes a difference in jump balls and probably tip ins now that big men are are jumping for rebounds. I see more of a difference with organic speeds. I can still get to the hoop with Lillard after dropping his speed from 95 to 80 because ball handling and onball defense matters more than speed in the halfcourt. It does make a difference in the transition game. Just seems more realistic. I would gladly dump the system if STATS would use their speedometer for speed ratings but I figure Visual Concepts is too idealistic to use such technology. They have been nerfing athletic bigs for years now. I think Dwight Howard is still slower than every PG except Fisher who has a 70. He might even be slower than Fisher.

Sucks that this speed thing is only for average speed.
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingS...&sortOrder=DES
Great tool for stamina ratings.

I added speeds and measurements for the Kings and Spurs to the file. I'll update it here this week and probably add the T-Wolves, and Bobcats since they are already on the file.