Ratings fears

[infemous]

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slower version of Earl Thomas....great coverage skills and soild vs run

If you were to guess, who would you say this is about?

[post your guesses below]

My vote:

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Jairus Byrd...

The answer:

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Kenny Vaccaro

Thanks to this tweet from Donny Moore, I am again afraid that this year's Madden is going to be subject to inaccurate ratings again.

Yes, we all understand that OVR holds little value for us and that is bound to be overstated, but it is the skills of certain players that really matter.

If however you can get the evaluation of players like this SO wrong, despite the fact they are completely different styles of players and almost incomparable in terms of physicality, style, skillset and speciality....

Doesn't make us hopeful that any of the other ratings will be anything close to accurate, Andrew Luck's throw power last year a clear indication of that too.

What are your biggest fears with regards to ratings? Who do you think you will have to amend?

Sometimes, I just wish that I didn't have to edit all of the ratings to be able to enjoy playing Madden.

[DeuceDouglas]

It's subjective. It doesn't matter if Donny Moore is doing the ratings or not. If whoever is looking at them doesn't have the same view, it's going to be looked at as 'wrong'. I could say Dashon Goldson or Eric Weddle, but that doesn't make it fact, just as it doesn't make it absolutely wrong either.

[TheDelta]

Quote: Originally Posted by infemous

Thanks to this tweet from Donny Moore, I am again afraid that this year's Madden is going to be subject to inaccurate ratings again.

So in a roster based on mostly subjective perception of several hundred players different skills, not everyone will be rated according to my personal opinion? Shocking...

[infemous]

Quote: Originally Posted by DeuceDouglas

It's subjective. It doesn't matter if Donny Moore is doing the ratings or not. If whoever is looking at them doesn't have the same view, it's going to be looked at as 'wrong'. I could say Dashon Goldson or Eric Weddle, but that doesn't make it fact, just as it doesn't make it absolutely wrong either.

I think its very easy to say its more wrong than it is right because Earl Thomas is used and known for very specific abilities that are not attributed to Dashon Goldson and Eric Weddle and more specifically, to the player who was actually being discussed. If the comparison was Dashon Goldson or Eric Weddle instead of Earl Thomas, it'd be less worrying.

Quote: Originally Posted by TheDelta

So in a roster based on mostly subjective perception of several hundred players different skills, not everyone will be rated according to my personal opinion? Shocking...

I think you're missing the point.

Obviously that is the case, but the real issue is that one singular person is doing these ratings and that EA Tiburon allow such a vital aspect of the game to be controlled by one guy (2 if you count Clint Oldenburg).

My personal opinion is obviously irrelevant according to how the game will be rated. It would make a lot more sense if the game was rated based on more public and accepted perceptions or on a set of controlled and specified criteria.

There have been many instances in which Donny Moore has just thrown a number at a rating for some reason or another unknown to anyone.

Why would Andrew Luck's throw power be 92 when the single criticism of his game pre draft was his unspectacular arm strength? Why would his throw power still be 92 when that is still the biggest issue with his game?

What I personally think is irrelevant, but its shocking that he defies conventional wisdom with some ratings without there being any quantified measurement or fact based reasoning for it.

If you don't take exception to that, or worry about the game suffering as a result of that, I'm surprised.

[splff3000]

Quote: Originally Posted by infemous

There have been many instances in which Donny Moore has just thrown a number at a rating for some reason or another unknown to anyone. Why would Andrew Luck's throw power be 91 when the single criticism of his game pre draft was his unspectacular arm strength? Why would his throw power still be 91 when that is still the biggest issue with his game? What I personally think is irrelevant, but its shocking that he defies conventional wisdom with some ratings without there being any quantified measurement or fact based reasoning for it. If you don't take exception to that, or worry about the game suffering as a result of that, I'm surprised.

I agree 100% with what you're saying. Player ratings are such a big part of the game that there should be checks and balance to what Donny Moore can do. I'm sure most people that pay attention to the ratings can tell you they have seen some unexplainable ratings for some players. I had to stop looking at Donny Moore's twitter feed during football season cause it's nerve racking cause he's wanting to change ratings after every play. I know that he doesn't do research on every player, so how can he rate every player? There needs to be a team there so every player can be researched and rated more accurately. Also so there can be some kind of discussion for controversial ratings instead of his opinion being all powerful. I posted this in another thread:

Quote: Originally Posted by splff3000

I wonder about this same thing. I wonder how the hell Donny Moore could give a player a 85+ rating and he's not even on a NFL roster when the game drops. I mean if the player was really a 87, don't you think some team would want him? I usually just go through and make every free agent a 79 or lower. I have been saying this a long time, but I really wish there was more than one person with input over ratings.

There's no one at EA tho to say "Hey Donny, maybe since that TE isn't on an NFL roster right now, maybe we shouldn't make him 89 OVR. I know he was a great TE a few years ago, but since he's not on a roster, maybe he's not really an 89 OVR TE anymore." These are the things that need to be said, but are not being said because there is no one there to say it. Anyway, I have no personal vendetta against Moore and actually think he does an ok job most of the time. I just feel that the ratings could be soooo much better and in effect make the actual game sooooo much better.

[infemous]

Quote: Originally Posted by splff3000

I agree 100% with what you're saying. Player ratings are such a big part of the game that there should be checks and balance to what Donny Moore can do. I'm sure most people that pay attention to the ratings can tell you they have seen some unexplainable ratings for some players. I had to stop looking at Donny Moore's twitter feed during football season cause it's nerve racking cause he's wanting to change ratings after every play. I know that he doesn't do research on every player, so how can he rate every player? There needs to be a team there so every player can be researched and rated more accurately. Also so there can be some kind of discussion for controversial ratings instead of his opinion being all powerful. I posted this in another thread: There's no one at EA tho to say "Hey Donny, maybe since that TE isn't on an NFL roster right now, maybe we shouldn't make him 89 OVR. I know he was a great TE a few years ago, but since he's not on a roster, maybe he's not really an 89 OVR TE anymore." These are the things that need to be said, but are not being said because there is no one there to say it. Anyway, I have no personal vendetta against Moore and actually think he does an ok job most of the time. I just feel that the ratings could be soooo much better and in effect make the actual game sooooo much better.

Exactly. I think in my sig there is still a link to one of my first ever posts on OS asking for a ratings team.

I also avoid looking at his twitter during the season, mainly because his twitter is the definition of a

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struggle twitter

but when I do see his tweets I can't help but feel sad for the game.

I think what you say about the OVR is very obvious and amazing its missed.

I also think that it shows how bad the formula is in working out OVR.
Surely having a low injury rating should feed into that formula? I understand that it is only for CPU roster management, so it should be based on things that would assist the CPU's management of the roster.

It pains me to see blocking for HBs and WRs be a non factor. I really think in certain schemes these ratings should be represented in the OVR.

I like your idea of lowering free agent OVRs tho. Will definitely do that now before I start a new CCM (as my others have been ruined by Flacco going to the Browns etc. etc.)

[BleedGreen710]

Maybe they could let the fans vote on the key ratings? Maybe for 1 month (1 team per day) they could have a thing on the EA website where you can click on any player on that team and pick what rating they should have for their key attributes and also pick an OVR rating as well. Any players or ratings that don't get enough votes will be decided on by EA. Everybody wins. Right?

[Yukon46]

Quote: Originally Posted by BleedGreen710

Maybe they could let the fans vote on the key ratings? Maybe for 1 month (1 team per day) they could have a thing on the EA website where you can click on any player on that team and pick what rating they should have for their key attributes and also pick an OVR rating as well. Any players or ratings that don't get enough votes will be decided on by EA. Everybody wins. Right?

But then someone would not be able to call themselves a "Czar".... they would just be a "Number's Gatherer" ! (That title just has no ring to it !)