Effects of Penalties on Gameplay

[JoshC1977]

A few weeks in the Madden forum, a thread was begun that discussed the impact of penalty sliders on gameplay in Madden 13. In short, it was postulated that the penalty sliders impacted the gameplay. It seems that the penalty slider doesn't so much impact how often a penalty is called as much as it affects how often certain actions occur on the field. These actions impact CPU behavior on the field.

The link to that thread is as follows:
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-gameplay.html

As you may have figured by now, I decided to apply the same principle to NCAA 13. Guess what, it works!

For those of you interested in the set I am currently using, I am using Thumstyx's set:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...3-sliders.html

This set is a perfect blend of solid slider fixes as well as the incorporation of penalty slider concepts to make a tough but realistic challenge in NCAA 13.


I am no longer playing with the older sets below, but have left them here if people want to try them out.....

---------Changes as of 11/22/2012-------------

Level - Heisman
Time - 8/9 minutes

Speed - Slow (animations are better here)
Threshold - 40 (players feel a bit more explosive here)
Sliders - Default - THIS IS CRITICAL. THE FEEL OF THE GAME CHANGES DRAMATICALLY ONCE YOU START MESSING AROUND.
Autosubs - default


Penalty sliders
Offsides - 100 (helps with block shedding, anything lower doesn't seem to work)
False start - 1 (I haven't quite figured out why yet...but you still get a reasonable number of false starts at 1)
Holding - 53 (lowered a tad)
Facemask - 55 (gives a good number of calls)
Offensive pass interference - 25 (this plays in concert with DPI)
Defensive pass interference - 100 (speeds up how quickly receivers get into their routes...helpful with the offsides high and thus higher block shedding)
KR/PR Interference - 0 (still tentative, but it seems to improve the ability of a defender to change direction.)
Clipping - 33 (improves run blocking)
Intentional grounding - 100 (smart QB play)
Roughing passer - 54/55 (will get none at 54 and 4-5 per game at 55....your call)
Roughing the kicker - 40 (This works well with threshold at 40. Defenders flow well to the ball but fast players can still escape. This works beautifully with spread offenses.)



I am getting some very competitive games with this setup and they tend to be lower scoring affairs. I simply DO NOT have time to test this as I work 60+ hours per week. I would love to spend time on this, but need help from anyone interested. I only ask that people stick with default heisman sliders as changing ANYTHING has a dramatic impact on the gameplay.

NO HOLDS BARRED SET - ADDED ON 12/09/12

Note: You will get no holding calls with this set, but it dramatically improves line play.
Level - Heisman
Time - 8/9 minutes

Speed - Slow (animations are better here)
Threshold - 60 (research by Oraeon showed this was best, but I could never do it because of the line play....now I can)
Sliders - Default - THIS IS CRITICAL. THE FEEL OF THE GAME CHANGES DRAMATICALLY ONCE YOU START MESSING AROUND.
Autosubs - default


Penalty sliders
Offsides - 100 (critical for good line play)
False start - 53
Holding - 0 (critical for good line play)
Facemask - 45 (lower number helps increase number of fumbles)
Offensive pass interference - 50
Defensive pass interference - 50
KR/PR Interference - 50
Clipping - 50
Intentional grounding - 100 (smart QB play)
Roughing passer - 54/55 (will get none at 54 and 4-5 per game at 55....your call)
Roughing the kicker - 50

[JoshC1977]

Here are a couple of boxscores using these settings.

Ohio Bobcats at Pittsburgh Panthers
Oct 27, 2012	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	OT	SCORE
Ohio Bobcats ()	0	10	7	15	-	32
Pittsburgh Panthers ()	0	7	7	14	-	28

Team Stats Comparison
	OHIO	PITT
Total Offense	407	450
Rushing Yards	34-76-1	25-87-0
Passing Yards	17-26-337	24-33-363
First Downs	16	18
Punt Return Yards	9	16
Kick Return Yards	114	27
Total Yards	530	493
Turnovers	0	2
3rd Down Converstion	5-13	6-11
4th Down Conversion	0-0	0-0
2-Point Conversion	1-1	0-0
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals	4-2-1	2-1-0
Penalties	4-35	6-33
Posession Time	17:12	14:48

Ohio Bobcats at Hawaii Warriors
Oct 27, 2012	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	OT	SCORE
Ohio Bobcats ()	7	7	3	0	-	17
Hawaii Warriors ()	0	17	7	10	-	34

Team Stats Comparison
	OHIO	HAW
Total Offense	425	429
Rushing Yards	34-138-0	26-119-1
Passing Yards	14-28-287-2	20-36-310-1
First Downs	18	22
Punt Return Yards	0	25
Kick Return Yards	101	0
Total Yards	526	454
Turnovers	3	0
3rd Down Converstion	5-10	3-11
4th Down Conversion	0-0	0-0
2-Point Conversion	0-0	0-0
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals	3-1-1	4-2-2
Penalties	3-28	7-66
Posession Time	15:08	16:51

Connecticut Huskies at Ohio Bobcats
Oct 27, 2012	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	OT	SCORE
Connecticut Huskies ()	0	7	3	7	-	17
Ohio Bobcats ()	7	17	7	7	-	38

Team Stats Comparison
	CONN	OHIO
Total Offense	277	516
Rushing Yards	14-23-0	44-228-3
Passing Yards	17-27-2	14-19-2
First Downs	12	19
Punt Return Yards	0	9
Kick Return Yards	27	24
Total Yards	304	549
Turnovers	2	2
3rd Down Converstion	1-7	11-14
4th Down Conversion	0-0	1-1
2-Point Conversion	0-0	0-0
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals	3-2-1	4-2-1
Penalties	3-35	4-40
Posession Time	10:58	21:02

[Sundown2600]

Bump. Very interested to hear more about this. Please don't stop your research. I will test this out ASAP.

[SonOfEd]

I had read that thread in the Madden forum when it came out. I plugged some of those numbers into Madden 12 and saw the same results listed.
I tried some of them in NCAA, prior to the most recent patch and didn't see the same effect. However, I've read that since this latest patch people are seeing these things now. Pretty pumped to check it out again!

[priam11]

I will keep an eye on this as well as I am curious to see what people see from this. I don't play on Heisman but rather Varsity as I use Fist's sliders as a base to avoid as much as possible the DB glitch.

But still I will try these settings as I am interested in the Intentional Grounding one as I heard that if its really high, the QBs are making better decisions.

[JoshC1977]

Quote: Originally Posted by priam11

I will keep an eye on this as well as I am curious to see what people see from this. I don't play on Heisman but rather Varsity as I use Fist's sliders as a base to avoid as much as possible the DB glitch. But still I will try these settings as I am interested in the Intentional Grounding one as I heard that if its really high, the QBs are making better decisions.

I would assume that the penalty sliders will impact all difficulty settings. So, you could certainly keep using Fists sliders with penalty slider adjustments.

I'm glad to see there is at least some interest in this....I just wish I had more time to investigate. I just didn't want to keep this from the community; if this is correct, it can really help modify the gameplay.

I will report in as I find more information and hopefully others will too....

[HighCmpPct]

Gonna try these with Mkharsh's AA set in a offline dynasty for a couple games really interested to see where this can go.

[HighCmpPct]

Quote: Originally Posted by HighCmpPct

Gonna try these with Mkharsh's AA set in a offline dynasty for a couple games really interested to see where this can go.

Weeeeeelllllllll heres a how it went:

Boise State Broncos at Michigan State Spartans
Jan 1,	1ST	2ND	3RD	4TH	SCORE
#21 Boise State Broncos (0-0)	14	0	7	7	28
#12 Michigan State Spartans (0-0)	14	10	0	9	33

Team Stats Comparison
	BSU	MSU
Total Offense	370	409
Rushing Yards	26	120
Passing Yards	344	289
First Downs	10	16
Punt Return Yards	10	17
Kick Return Yards	117	41
Total Yards	497	467
Turnovers	1	1
3rd Down Converstion	3-15	7-18
4th Down Conversion	2-4	0-2
2-Point Conversion	0-0	0-0
Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals	2-0	2-2
Penalties	11-80	9-75
Posession Time	13:50	22:10

Boise State Broncos PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Joe Southwick 23/49 344 4 0 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD DJ Harper 5 30 6.0 0 Drew Wright 4 12 3.0 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD Matt Miller 5 143 28.6 2 Gabe Linehan 4 58 14.5 0 Dan Paul 3 18 6.0 1 Mitch Burroughs 3 34 11.3 0 Geraldo Boldwijn 3 48 16.0 0 Dallas Burroughs 1 20 20.0 0 Kirby Moore 1 23 23.0 1 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD Jonathan Brown 12 0.0 0 0 JC Percy 12 0.0 0 0 Demarcus Lawrence 4 2.0 0 0 Samuel Ukwuachu 5 1.0 0 0 Blake Renaud 8 1.0 0 0 KICKING FG XP PTS LONG Dan Goodale 0/0 4/4 4 0 KICK RETURN RET YDS AVG TD Matt Miller 3 69 23.0 0

Michigan State Spartans PASSING C/A YDS TD INT Andrew Maxwell 15/28 289 2 0 RUSHING ATT YDS AVG TD Le'veon Bell 24 86 3.5 1 Larry Caper 12 28 2.3 0 RECEIVING REC YDS AVG TD Bennie Fowler 5 75 15.0 0 Keith Mumphery 4 65 16.2 0 Andrew Gleichert 2 24 12.0 1 Tony Lippett 2 42 21.0 0 Le'Veon Bell 1 78 78.0 1 Dion Sims 1 5 5.0 0 DEFENSE TACK SACK INT TD Isaiah Lewis 8 0.0 0 0 KICKING FG XP PTS LONG Dan Conroy 4/4 3/3 15 46

Just Freaking Great!!http://1.1.1.1/bmi/www.operationspor...ins/freddy.gif