Pass block glitch is determined by the handedness of the QB

[WilesThing]

I was fooling around with some pass block sliders with the Eagles and Redskins in practice mode when I noticed that Orakpo was getting a lot of sacks on Vick. When I would run the identical plays for offense and defense over again, I noticed Orakpo was doing the same push off & around glitch to Jason Peters that the LE usually does to the RT. But Kerrigan on the left side was doing the same hand fighting and jostling that the RE usually gets stuck doing to the LT.

I wondered what was different about this situation to flip the seemingly LE/RT only pass block glitch. Then I realized Vick was left handed. So I subbed in Nick Foles (who is right handed) for Vick and ran the same exact plays. Now Kerrigan was doing the push off & around move and Orakpo was doing the hand fighting and jostling.

Whatever glitch is causing DE/OLBs to simply push off tackles and run around them for sacks is apparently going to happen on the side the QB is facing, which for most QBs will be their right and is why the LEs are getting all the sacks.

[WilesThing]

Sorry. This isn't really slider related. This should probably go in the main forums.

Moved here: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...edness-qb.html

[phukwiddit]

Quote: Originally Posted by WilesThing

Sorry. This isn't really slider related. This should probably go in the main forums. Moved here: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...edness-qb.html

You're right, it's not altogether slider related. Really observant of you to identify the glitch is related to the handedness of the QB. Sure enough, I tried the Eagles (Vick's a lefty) and the glitch was happening on the other side. I see you have identified certain plays where this glitch happens. In my experience I found that it doesn't matter what defensive play, but the glitch happens whenever the offense does a 5 step dropback. I thought I had it fixed because with a pass block setting of 73 I was able to block the two best outside linebackers, Clay Matthews and Von Miller but somehow because their acceleration is so high they engage quicker which seemed to allow the OT to recover earlier in the block sequence and sustain the block, but then lower rated OLBs and REs were still slipping by. One way around this glitch is to call a line audible to block toward the glitch side, but this only solves it for the HU player. A pass block setting of 87 works better it reduces the chances of the glitch happening no matter who the defender is. With the 87 setting, out of 20 5 step drop backs it glitched 6 times.

[WilesThing]

Quote: Originally Posted by phukwiddit

You're right, it's not altogether slider related. Really observant of you to identify the glitch is related to the handedness of the QB. Sure enough, I tried the Eagles (Vick's a lefty) and the glitch was happening on the other side. I see you have identified certain plays where this glitch happens. In my experience I found that it doesn't matter what defensive play, but the glitch happens whenever the offense does a 5 step dropback. I thought I had it fixed because with a pass block setting of 73 I was able to block the two best outside linebackers, Clay Matthews and Von Miller but somehow because their acceleration is so high they engage quicker which seemed to allow the OT to recover earlier in the block sequence and sustain the block, but then lower rated OLBs and REs were still slipping by. One way around this glitch is to call a line audible to block toward the glitch side, but this only solves it for the HU player. A pass block setting of 87 works better it reduces the chances of the glitch happening no matter who the defender is. With the 87 setting, out of 20 5 step drop backs it glitched 6 times.

It was actually your thread about the pass block glitch and how to mitigate it that led me to testing this out. I wasn't able to reproduce the glitch with the 5 step drop passes that I was testing. It wasn't until I stumbled on certain play combinations that I started triggering the glitch, and those particular examples were shotgun passes with no dropbacks.

I also tried turning the pass blocking slider all the way to 100 to see if that would counter the push off of the DEs. In my testing, there was very little effect. Jason Peters, who is a great pass blocker, was only able to reengage Orakpo after he did the push off glitch maybe 10-20% of the time with the slider cranked up. The rest of the time, Orakpo performed the glitch like normal.

I'm no expert on this issue or these sliders by any means, so if you're seeing results that counter this glitch, that's good news. I just wasn't able to reproduce them myself. But hopefully with people talking about this and trying to find workarounds, EA will get it on their radar and fix whatever's causing it. This and CPU RBs having a hard time running are my biggest pet peeves with the game.

[phukwiddit]

Interesting stuff. It helps to know what others are experiencing. You're right, 100 on the pass block slider does not help. From 100 I decreased by 5 each time and ran 20 plays per setting in practice mode and recorded the results, then further tweaked it to 87. I did not test those play combinations. I used only one combination which I thought was the surest way to produce the glitch. Stick N Nod from Y-Trips formation vs. 2 Man deep from 2-4-5 Nickel. Plus I never went back and tested it on a left handed QB. So there's more work to be done hopefully EA recognizes this and fixes with a new patch

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[C_Bailey24]

While this may be a glitch of some kind if you find a "fix" for it then won't the end result be getting pretty much no pressure on the QB at all?

[WilesThing]

No, the other defensive linemen still get pressure on the QB. On the plays when the glitch isn't triggered, sacks still happen, they just don't happen as quickly. Because the DE performing the glitch does it so quickly, he simply beats everybody to the sack.