Association Stats are a ROSTER issue

[Po Pimp]

I see a lot of people complaining about the stats in Association. Even myself, I had Lebron James lead the NBA in ppg with 38 after Wade went out for the season. All...well most of these stats can be fixed with roster changes. Shot tendencies and coaching sliders all play a part in getting the stats you want. Just messing around, I made it possible for Derrick Rose to average 25 and 8 when he usually averages 29 and 6. Obviously it's not gonna be perfect as the minutes per game and blocks are broken, but you can still get guys to average their correct ppg (tendencies and touches), rebounds per game (increased tempo and lower FG percentages increases rebounds as well as decreasing and increasing certain guys rebound rating) and assists (touches and tendencies) just to name a few.

[Serra11]

Quote: Originally Posted by Po Pimp

I see a lot of people complaining about the stats in Association. Even myself, I had Lebron James lead the NBA in ppg with 38 after Wade went out for the season. All...well most of these stats can be fixed with roster changes. Shot tendencies and coaching sliders all play a part in getting the stats you want. Just messing around, I made it possible for Derrick Rose to average 25 and 8 when he usually averages 29 and 6. Obviously it's not gonna be perfect as the minutes per game and blocks are broken, but you can still get guys to average their correct ppg (tendencies and touches), rebounds per game (increased tempo and lower FG percentages increases rebounds as well as decreasing and increasing certain guys rebound rating) and assists (touches and tendencies) just to name a few.

You are right po pimp but why do WE have to make ALL the changes to have a reliable association experience????
Has 2k nobody on his payroll to check this(2k insider...)????
I know nothing can be perfect but with default roster the stats are a completely mess.

[ffpp]

Quote: Originally Posted by Po Pimp

I see a lot of people complaining about the stats in Association. Even myself, I had Lebron James lead the NBA in ppg with 38 after Wade went out for the season. All...well most of these stats can be fixed with roster changes. Shot tendencies and coaching sliders all play a part in getting the stats you want. Just messing around, I made it possible for Derrick Rose to average 25 and 8 when he usually averages 29 and 6. Obviously it's not gonna be perfect as the minutes per game and blocks are broken, but you can still get guys to average their correct ppg (tendencies and touches), rebounds per game (increased tempo and lower FG percentages increases rebounds as well as decreasing and increasing certain guys rebound rating) and assists (touches and tendencies) just to name a few.

You're totally wrong. At least if we are aiming at the same complaints here
There is a bug in Association that counts the stats wrong. For example, when I look at my team's individual stats (and I played those games myself) then I see some reasonable numbers for team steals, assists and rebounds. But when I check the league stats of the whole season so far, those numbers are totally skewed.
I average more than twice as many assists/game as a team, as I score in all of my games. There are just some calculations gone very wrong. And this is what really should get dealt with because it can't be a very complicated issue.

[Scruffychicken]

Team stats are still bad though. I'm still seeing teams with 100+ games played in one season.

[RumbleCard]

Yeah there is a completely different issue than the "simulation" stats mentioned in the OP's post. Most of us are upset over the bug/glitch mentioned above where stats are erroneously calculated along with messed up records.

My guess is that the code work involved with fixing these calculations is too great to overcome in a patch. Otherwise it would have been fixed because its one of the more glaring issues with the game.

A response would be nice but every time a thread like this is made is gets locked or tossed in the black hole of the bugs/glitches thread or impressions.

[miller31time]

The OP is correct that many statistical inaccuracies can be corrected with tendency and attribute changes. Heck, I just spent about 6 hours yesterday (after downloading the latest rosters and patch) editing basically every attribute, signature style, accessories, etc.

Where the OP is incorrect is that there are a multitude of statistical problems that cannot be fixed and are simply errors in the game. Here is a list of what I have noticed...

1. Point Guard assists - in 2K12, star point guards do not average enough assists per game. Deron Williams, no matter what you tweak to his attributes and tendencies, will not average more than 7 or 8 assists. If you lower his shooting tendency (which puts him at about 14ppg, ie: unrealistically low), he can potentially be bumped up to 8.5 or 9 but even that's too low and you now have the added problem of him not scoring nearly enough. Chris Paul is essentially the same. Steve Nash as well. It's a glitch.

2. Big-Man blocks - much like assists for star point guards, you will see the league leader in blocks per game usually at or below 2.0 when, in reality, it should be closer to 3 - 3.5. You can edit a player like Dwight Howard or JaVale McGee to give the absolute highest BLK rating and "challenge shot" tendency, but it doesn't seem to matter. (And no, they aren't averaging too few minutes due to foul problems if that was your next question)

3. Minutes per game for....everyone - everyone is aware of this problem which is why I was so shocked it wasn't fixed in the patch we've been anxiously awaiting. Player minutes seem to be capped at about 35 per game for even the brightest of NBA superstars. Sure, some superstars DO actually average 35 or less (Kobe, for example) but Durant sure doesn't. Conversely, bench scrubs are always given rotation minutes, no matter how low they are on the depth chart or how bad their ratings are. This takes away from players who actually need and deserve more minutes. The only way to fix these problems is to user-control all 30 teams, but honestly, that's just not fair to ask of even the most hardcore 2K gamer.

[youALREADYknow]

Quote: Originally Posted by miller31time

The OP is correct that many statistical inaccuracies can be corrected with tendency and attribute changes. Heck, I just spent about 6 hours yesterday (after downloading the latest rosters and patch) editing basically every attribute, signature style, accessories, etc. Where the OP is incorrect is that there are a multitude of statistical problems that cannot be fixed and are simply errors in the game. Here is a list of what I have noticed... 1. Point Guard assists - in 2K12, star point guards do not average enough assists per game. Deron Williams, no matter what you tweak to his attributes and tendencies, will not average more than 7 or 8 assists. If you lower his shooting tendency (which puts him at about 14ppg, ie: unrealistically low), he can potentially be bumped up to 8.5 or 9 but even that's too low and you now have the added problem of him not scoring nearly enough. Chris Paul is essentially the same. Steve Nash as well. It's a glitch. 2. Big-Man blocks - much like assists for star point guards, you will see the league leader in blocks per game usually at or below 2.0 when, in reality, it should be closer to 3 - 3.5. You can edit a player like Dwight Howard or JaVale McGee to give the absolute highest BLK rating and "challenge shot" tendency, but it doesn't seem to matter. (And no, they aren't averaging too few minutes due to foul problems if that was your next question) 3. Minutes per game for....everyone - everyone is aware of this problem which is why I was so shocked it wasn't fixed in the patch we've been anxiously awaiting. Player minutes seem to be capped at about 35 per game for even the brightest of NBA superstars. Sure, some superstars DO actually average 35 or less (Kobe, for example) but Durant sure doesn't. Conversely, bench scrubs are always given rotation minutes, no matter how low they are on the depth chart or how bad their ratings are. This takes away from players who actually need and deserve more minutes. The only way to fix these problems is to user-control all 30 teams, but honestly, that's just not fair to ask of even the most hardcore 2K gamer.

It's not hard at all to get PGs to average 10+ assists per game. Like the OP said, this is a roster issue.

The only issues in Association that aren't related to rosters are the statistical bugs in team stats. It would be nice to have star players get more MPG, but I've seen them around 36 MPG when the OVR ratings are set to more realistic levels for the entire league.

[drewbaby1414]

Does anyone have any recommendations on on association stats rosters that are out there?....I hate to say it but I think that the only fix again is user control all 30 teams and put a lot of it on automate.

You've got to increase game tempo through coaching profiles as well as control shot tendencies and min.