Great video depicting 2k's totally flawed AI

[NealN42]

I'm not sure if it's the default, and awful for that matter, player tendencies or what...but after playing 2k12 for nearly 2 weeks now I just don't feel that 2k has improved teammate AI or passing in any way shape or form. Here's a good example -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fupUB3fvszA

and another -

http://www.youtube.com/user/akaBPhife#p/u/2/EYA2v6IiqRw

[SIZEqueen]

I don't have luck on fastbreaks, but I never have. I heard it was improved this year but I see Rondo and Garnett spotting up beyond the arc just like Grant Hill did for you. Honestly I just assume it's either a slider setting(s) or user error.

As far as defense goes...I have said too much already. Look up my posts dude. I think the defense model is pure garbage and needs to be completely redone. I just don't ever touch turbo, use crossovers or try anything in the paint anymore. I shoot jumpshots. I got a nice dunk on a steal last night though. First time I scored in the paint (save posting up) in over 3 entire games.

When they remove the defensive abilities to slide, morph, run faster than while going sideways or backwards and predict the future, this game is going to be pretty good. When they remove the things I just mentioned and actually tone down the length of animations, change or remove the bumping and tighten up player control so you feel like your're on a court and not on ice skates, this game is going to be amazing!

Fingers crossed for patches or 2k15!

[CuseGirl]

Quote: Originally Posted by SIZEqueen

As far as defense goes...I have said too much already. Look up my posts dude. I think the defense model is pure garbage and needs to be completely redone. I just don't ever touch turbo, use crossovers or try anything in the paint anymore. I shoot jumpshots. I got a nice dunk on a steal last night though. First time I scored in the paint (save posting up) in over 3 entire games. When they remove the defensive abilities to slide, morph, run faster than while going sideways or backwards and predict the future, this game is going to be pretty good. When they remove the things I just mentioned and actually tone down the length of animations, change or remove the bumping and tighten up player control so you feel like your're on a court and not on ice skates, this game is going to be amazing! Fingers crossed for patches or 2k15!

It baffles me how many fans are on this site who say "this is the greatest basketball game ever, and you just suck cuz I dunk on everyone in Assoc., My Player, on Hall of Fame sim slider, you need to master the controls and dont use turbo". Then why is there is a turbo button? Why is it the only way I can enjoy the game is to master every single control in the game? Why can't my "athletic" 2-guard drive to the hoop and make a simple layup but the AI scrubs can "achieve ISO-motion" (sorry Czar) and ignore contact in the paint?

The only way I was able to progress My Player was to take 35 jump shots a game and that's only after I got my mid-range up to the 90s. I never took free throws because i simply had no chance to drive to the hoop. It's nonsense. I won't even touch 2k12 because of this. Right now, i'm going with a 7 foot 3 center and he can't dunk smh.......

[SIZEqueen]

Quote: Originally Posted by CuseGirl

It baffles me how many fans are on this site who say "this is the greatest basketball game ever, and you just suck cuz I dunk on everyone in Assoc., My Player, on Hall of Fame sim slider, you need to master the controls and dont use turbo". Then why is there is a turbo button? Why is it the only way I can enjoy the game is to master every single control in the game? Why can't my "athletic" 2-guard drive to the hoop and make a simple layup but the AI scrubs can "achieve ISO-motion" (sorry Czar) and ignore contact in the paint? The only way I was able to progress My Player was to take 35 jump shots a game and that's only after I got my mid-range up to the 90s. I never took free throws because i simply had no chance to drive to the hoop. It's nonsense. I won't even touch 2k12 because of this. Right now, i'm going with a 7 foot 3 center and he can't dunk smh.......

I feel ya, bro. I think it's because defense is hard to replicate. NBA defense is like an enigma wrapped in a riddle. 90% of the time the ball gets passed around the horn causing someone to be out of position defensively or in a good spot offensively. From there, there is some dribbling and/or driving based on match ups,the situation and position on the floor. More often than not, the defensive team gets beat quite convincingly. Whether it be a nice spot up jimmy, a drive for an easy 2, a drive and dish for a nice 3, a drive and dump for a foul call down low, a drive catching a man at a horrible angle and leaving him the choice to foul or let his man go, etc. I can go on and on, but you get the point.

When trying to not have dunk fests and wide open jump shooting clinics the developers invented physics-breaking, time-folding, no-rules-applying robots as defenders in their game(s). It still leads to jump shooting clinics...it's just that this year the shots are 3's.

[CuseGirl]

Quote: Originally Posted by SIZEqueen

When trying to not have dunk fests and wide open jump shooting clinics the developers invented physics-breaking, time-folding, no-rules-applying robots as defenders in their game(s). It still leads to jump shooting clinics...it's just that this year the shots are 3's.

I dont want a dunk fest. But when I've got LeBron, I wanna feel like LeBron, invincible. When I have Dwight Howard, I dont want him to freeze in mid-run, while the defense boxes me out into the seats. I'm sick of defender morphing into position (which is CLEARLY outlined on that video) when I had them beat. And I'm sick of Raja Bell dribbling the ball for 15 seconds, doing a bunch of ISO moves and then spin fadeaway jumper SWISH? gtfoh.....

One of the reasons I have a hard time with the ISO moves in My Player is because your the only person on the court whose not allowed to hold the ball for longer than 3 seconds. So I can't dribble around and create space or angles unless the move is perfect. LeBron can call for the ball and he gets it, no questions asked. Kobe can dribble the ball up court, so can all the other non-PF/Center stars in this league. But not you, fake virtual pro. YOU must play the "right" way and stand on ur blue circle until Brandon Jennings is ready to use ur screen....::sigh::

[SIZEqueen]

Quote: Originally Posted by CuseGirl

I dont want a dunk fest. But when I've got LeBron, I wanna feel like LeBron, invincible. When I have Dwight Howard, I dont want him to freeze in mid-run, while the defense boxes me out into the seats. I'm sick of defender morphing into position (which is CLEARLY outlined on that video) when I had them beat. And I'm sick of Raja Bell dribbling the ball for 15 seconds, doing a bunch of ISO moves and then spin fadeaway jumper SWISH? gtfoh.....

I don't want dunk fests either. However, I want any player in the league at the 1,2,3 or even the 4 to be able to get by Antonio McDyss. I used McDyss the other day and shut down Shannon Brown. Now this is strictly speculation, but I'm gonna go ahead and say Shannon Brown would beat Antonio McDyss off the hop 100 times out of 100. Worst of it - had he not used any iso moves (especially crossovers, some are way worse than others) he would have had an 80% chance to literally just walk by him, but using iso moves triggers the super ultra mega awesome defense mode, which leads to shoulder checks and loss of ball control. It wouldn't have mattered anyway...Duncan would have slid over from the low block and shoulder checked him.

[CuseGirl]

Quote: Originally Posted by SIZEqueen

he would have had an 80% chance to literally just walk by him, but using iso moves triggers the super ultra mega awesome defense mode, which leads to shoulder checks and loss of ball control. It wouldn't have mattered anyway...Duncan would have slid over from the low block and shoulder checked him.

oh you mean

[SIZEqueen]

Quote: Originally Posted by CuseGirl

oh you mean

Haha, to a lesser degree, yes. Instead of actually throwing his shoulder and dropping him, he would have done that get low and lean weighted into Brown, stopping him dead in his tracks, despite physics and the rules.

The funny thing about that video, aside from the obvious, is it shows how the bumping and stopping just can't happen like it does in this game. You get 2 big guys going in opposite directions, one trying to stop the other by getting in front of him, it leads to that or football and hockey. None of this stuff I see in the game. Not saying there isn't some good bodied up d in the league, just saying it isn't every player, every time. Offensive players have an advantage in the rulebook and in practice. That's just life.