The NHL Draft Prospects Project

[luby3131]

I'm currently working on editing and creating prospects for the 2011, 2012, 2013, and (if possible) 2014 drafts. These will be very realistic. The goal is to get the draft as similar to real life as possible. Of course, I cant make it exact because BeaGM creates random prospects for the drafts, but I will have over 150 prospects for 2011, 60+ each for 2012 and 2013, and about 25 for 2014. This will take me a little bit of time, and I might wait until after the trade deadline to do this so all draft picks will be in the right teams hands. Currently I'm on the research part, and I have compiled lists of the top rated players in all of these years. I will determine the ratings based on a slotting system, using the 2009 and 2010 drafts as a basis. The unfortunate part is I am doing this on PS3, but hopefully I'll figure out a way around the roster sharing issue. I will keep a spreadsheet, and hopefully if this is a success, I can also do this for 360. If you have any suggestions for me, please comment. I will you guys updated on how this progresses

[DrewDoughty8]

The 2014 draft will be impossible to do however the 2013 you can do with fake birthdays that all must be past September 20th 1994. And I'll help you out with this since I frequently edit the CHL'ers.

2011 Bobby Mac's top 60

1. Adam Larsson
2. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
3. Gabriel Landeskog
4. Sean Couturier
5. Dougie Hamilton
6. Ryan Strome
7. Ryan Murphy
8. Brandon Saad
9. Jonathan Huberdeau
10. Tyler Biggs
11. Duncan Siemens
12. Jonas Brodin
13. Nathan Beaulieu
14. Sven Bartschi
15. Joel Armia
16. Victor Rask
17. Ty Rattie
18. Matt Puempel
19. Mika Zibanejad
20. Rickard Rakell
21. Mark Scheiffle
22. Marc McNeill
23. Jaime Oleksiak
24. Boone Jenner
25. Scott Mayfield
26. Nicklas Jensen
27. David Musil
28. J.T. Miller
29. Lucas Lessio
30. Daniel Catenacci
31. Rocco Grimaldi
32. Zach Phillips
33. Joe Morrow
34. Vladislav Namestnikov
35. Shane Prince
36. Tomas Jurco
37. Colin Jacobs
38. Brett Ritchie
39. Adem Clendening
40. Mario Lucia
41. Xavier Ouellet
42. Alexander Khokhlachev
43. Dmitri Jaskin
44. Miikka Salomaki
45. Oscar Klefbom
46. John Gibson
47. Phillip Danault
48. Stefan Noesen
49. Christopher Gibson
50. Seth Ambroz
51. Scott Harirngton
52. Samu Perhonen
53. Nick Shore
54. Stuart Percy
55. Phillipe Hudon
56. Myles Bell
57. Michael St. Croix
58. Matthew Nieto
59. Michael Paliotta
60. Vincent Trochek

2012 Top Prospects (Much Less Accurate but still gives you an idea)

1. Mikhail Grigorenko—For—CSKA MHL 6’02/183 27 09 07 16

2. Nail Yakupov—Forward—Sarnia 5’11/168 32 22 25 47

3. Nick Ebert—Defense—Windsor 6’01/190 32 08 18 26

4. Michael Matheson—Defense—Lac St Louis 6’01/170 00 00 00 00

5. Derrick Pouliot—Defense—Portland 5’11/170 35 04 14 18

6. Morgan Reilly--Defence—Moose Jaw 5’11/178 34 04 15 19

7. Ryan Murray—Defense—Everett 6’00/185 36 02 13 15

8. Matia Marcantuoni—F—Kitchener 6’00/180 32 09 15 24

9. Martin Frk—Forward--Halifax 5’11/190 34 11 20 31

10. Griffin Reinhart—Defense—Edmonton 6’04/205 33 04 13 17

11. Alex Galchenyuk—Forward—Sarnia 6’01/180 33 09 24 33

12. Jacob Trouba—Defense—NTDP U17 6’01/183 15 03 03 06

13. Olli Maatta—Defense—JYP Minor 6’01/181 17 01 05 06

14. Sebastian Collberg—F—Mariestad J20 5’11/170 26 17 16 33

15. Filip Forsberg—Forward—Leksand U20 6’00/176 26 14 15 29

16. Matt Dumba—Defense—Red Deer 6’00/172 36 09 03 12

17. Oscar Dansk—Goalie—Shattuck 6’03/183 00 00 2.44 .911

18. Luca Ciampini—Forward—Halifax 5’11/195 22 07 08 15

19. Slater Koekkoek—Defense—Petterborough 6’02/190 33 05 11 16

20. Brendan Gaunce—F—Belleville 6’02/210 35 06 12 18

21. Tomas Hertl—F—HC Slavia Praha U20 6’03/187 18 10 20 30

22. Jordan Schmaltz—D—Souix City 6’02/175 12 01 05 06

23. Niklas Folin—Defense—Frolunda J20 6’00/165 09 00 01 01

24. AJ Michaelson—Forward—Apple Valley 6’00/185 09 13 07 20

25. Henrik Samuelsson—F—NTDP U17 6’02/193 15 03 03 06

26. Jarrod Maidens—Forward—Owen Sound 6’01/170 19 04 03 07

27. Scott Laughton—Forward—Oshawa 6’01/170 31 09 07 16

28. Cody Ceci—Defense—Ottawa 6’02/190 35 01 10 11

29. Zemgus Girgensons--F--Dubuque USHL 6’01/182 18 10 08 18

30. Taylor Burke—Forward—Gatineau 6’00/185 29 03 08 11



31. Adam Pelech—Defense—Erie 6’02/202 29 01 04 05

32. Dillon Fournier—D—Lewiston 6’01/160 32 02 04 06

33. Dominic Poulin—Defense—Chicoutimi 6’01/187 30 01 05 06

34. Marcus McIvor—Defense—Brampton 6’02/190 25 01 03 04

35. Matthew Campagna—F—Sudbury 5’11/165 22 01 05 06

36. Reid Gow—Defense—Spokan 5’11/170 19 02 05 07

37. Dalton Thrower—Defense—Saskatoon 6’00/195 28 02 04 06

38. Mike Winther—Forward—Prince Albert 5’11/170 34 07 00 07

39. Chandler Stephenson—F—Regina 5’09/170 27 04 07 11

40. Julien Leduc—Defense—Val-d’Or 6’00/180 33 02 12 14

41. Francis Beauvillier—F—Lewiston 6’00/165 27 04 06 10

42. Kalle Torniainen—Forward—Djurg U18 5’10/172 10 06 11 17

43. Petr Sidlik—D—HC Dukla Jihlava Minor 5’11/168 14 00 01 01

44. Andrew Ryan—Forward—Halifax 6’02/186 26 05 02 07

45. Brandon Troock—Forward—Seattle 0’00/000 00 00 00 00

46. Erik Karlsson—Forward—Frolunda J20 5’11/154 14 03 06 09

47. Calle Andersson—Defense—Malmo J20 6’02/185 16 02 04 06

48. Gianluca Curcuruto—Defense—SSM 6’01/180 28 00 09 09

49. Charles Hudon—Forward—Chicoutimi 5’08/165 30 08 12 20

50. Brady Skjei—Defense—USA U17 6’01/183 24 03 08 11

51. Jake McCabe—Defense—NTDP U18 5’11/170 52 00 08 08

52. Ryan Olsen—Forward—Saskatoon 0’00/000 27 03 01 04

53. Francois Tremblay—G—Val-d’Or 6’02/194 04 06 4.01 .867

54. Chris Marchese—Forward— Erie 6’00/200 32 03 07 10

55. Matthew Finn—Defense—Guelph 6’00/195 33 02 07 09

56. Frank Vatrano—Forward—USA U17 5’10/214 22 08 07 15

57. Jesse Graham—Defense—Niagra 5’11/145 27 00 07 07

58. Andreas Athanasious—F—London 6’00/165 25 08 04 12

59. Nickolas Latta—Forward—Sarnia 6’00/161 26 06 02 08

60. Miles Koules—Forward—USA U17 5’10/176 24 10 06 16

[DrewDoughty8]

And here are the 2013's which are subject to a lot of change.\

1. Nathan MacKinnon—F—SSM U16 5’11/162 16 18 17 35
2. Seth Jones—Defense—USA NTDP 17 6’03/183 17 03 06 09
3. Alex Forsberg—Forward—WHL 5’09/170 11 08 06 14
4. Valery Nichushkin—F—Traktor 94 6’03/185 16 16 12 28
5. Steve Santini—D—Apple Core EJHL 6’03/205 22 01 09 10
6. Viktor Crus-Rydberg-F-Tingsryd J20 6’00/183 14 04 05 09
7. Anthony Duclair—F—Lac St Louis 5’10/149 24 16 24 40
8. Sergei Iljin—Forward—Dynamo 94 5’09/160 17 13 07 20
9. Taylor Cammarata—F—SSM U16 5’09/155 25 32 38 70
10. Hudson Fasching—F—Apple Valley 6’03/190 09 07 14 21
11. Connor Rankin—Forward—Tri City 6’00/185 29 07 08 15
12. Rasmus Ristolainen—D—TPS U20 6’02/192 13 00 03 03
13. Curtis Lazar—F—Okanagan Prep 5’11/178 24 13 19 32
14. Hunter Shinkaruk—Forward—Med Hat 5’10/165 28 09 12 21
15. Ville Husso—Goalie—HIFK Jr. B 6’00/160 05 01 3.13 .905
16. Will Butcher—Defense—Madison Caps 5’11/185 19 05 09 14
17. Darnell Nurse—Defense—Don Mills 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
18. Matt Needham—Okanagan Prep 5’09/179 26 11 16 27
19. Jordan Malletta—F—St Catherines 6’02/196 00 00 00 00
20. Eric Comrie—Goalie—La Selects 6’00/170 00 00 0.00 .000
21. Josh Morrisey—D—Calgary Royals 5’11/170 18 11 13 24
22. Max Domi—Forward—Don Mills 5’08/160 00 00 00 00
23. Dominik Kubalik—F—HC Plzen U18 5’11/159 28 24 16 40
24. Jusso Ikonen—Forward—Espoo Blues 5’07/170 00 00 00 00
25. Jared Hauf—Defense—Calgary Flames 6’04/170 00 00 00 00
26. Nicholas Ritchie—F—Toronto Malbros 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
27. Philippe Desrosiers—Goalie—C Ant 5’11/162 09 04 2.67 .902
28. Tobias Liljendahl—F—Vasby Div 1 6’02/194 21 05 06 11
29. Ian Jenkins—Goalie—Belle Tire 6’02/170 00 00 0.00 .000
30. Nick Baptiste—F—Ottawa Sens Minor 0’00/000 20 21 26 47

31. Andreas Johnson—F—Frolunda U20 5’09/159 21 07 05 12
32. Nick Sørensen—F—Rogle U20 6’00/165 20 11 08 19
33. Eric Roy—Defense –Brandon Wheat 6’03/175 13 00 03 03
34. Sergie Tolchinsky—F—CSKA 94 5’07/145 16 09 07 16
35. Johnathon Merkley—F—Calg Buffalos 5’11/162 20 09 21 30
36. Adam Erne—F—Indiana USHL 5’11/198 15 04 03 07
37. Zach Taylor—Defense—Notre Dame 5’11/180 25 11 22 33
38. Maxime Gravel—D—Esther Blondin 6’00/170 32 10 09 19
39. Martin Reway—F—MHC Martin U20 5’09/165 07 04 04 08
40. Lukas Wallmark—F—Skelleftea J18 5’11/161 20 14 25 39
41. Alexandre Belanger—Goalie—Magog 5’11/170 00 00 0.00 .000
42. Frederik Tiffels—F—Mannheim U18 5’09/159 30 09 19 28
43. Raphael Lafontaine—F—Gatineau 5’09/166 42 19 26 45
44. Anton Cederholm—D—Rogel U18 6’01/201 16 02 02 04
45. Morgan Klimchuk—F—Calgary Buff 5'11/170 22 21 15 36
46. Adam Bateman--Defense--Mississauga 5’09/125 00 00 00 00
47. Jesse Lees—Defense—Calgary 0’00/000 30 18 20 38
48. Patrick Zdrahal—F—HC Vitkovice U18 5’10/163 29 14 12 26
49. Eric Vierkant—Goalie—USA 0’00/000 00 00 00 00
50. Michal Beranek—D—HC Liberec U18 5’10/179 23 03 05 08
51. Tomas Torok—F—Slavia Praha U18 0’00/000 24 10 11 21
52. Kevin Ekman-Larsson—D—Leks U18 5’10/150 16 02 11 13
53. Eetu Koivistoinen—F—Blues U18 6’02/198 08 03 07 10
54. Sean Monahan—Forward—Ottawa 6’02/180 35 06 09 15
55. Grigory Dikushin—F—CSKA 5’09/149 10 08 11 19
56. Ryan Hartman—F—USA U17 5’10/182
57. Justin Vanier-Guenette—D—Vikings 0’00/000 41 01 03 04
58. Joshua Smith—D—Prince George 5’11/185 23 00 02 02
59. Nikolai Goldobin—F—CSKA 5’08/135 09 02 03 05
60. Jeremy Gregoire—Forward—Magog 5’11/184 29 22 18 40

In terms of rating the players I would use Hall and Seguin as the model for the Franchise players of each draft (Larsson, Couturier, Landeskog, RNH, Murray, Yakupov, Ebert, McKinnon) and I would use Cam Fowler as the model for the players that round out the top 10 (76 2 B's and an A-) and for the rest of the first round I would have them mostly at B's and lowering overalls. Hope this helps and I'd be happy to help in other ways too.

[Bluesman]

Quote: Originally Posted by DrewDoughty8

In terms of rating the players I would use Hall and Seguin as the model for the Franchise players of each draft (Larsson, Couturier, Landeskog, RNH, Murray, Yakupov, Ebert, McKinnon) and I would use Cam Fowler as the model for the players that round out the top 10 (76 2 B's and an A-) and for the rest of the first round I would have them mostly at B's and lowering overalls. Hope this helps and I'd be happy to help in other ways too.

Pretty much what I do as well only with potential at B unless the player is supposed to be truly elite in an area such as RNH has an A- for offense. I'll also look at elite/star NHL players to get an idea of what kind of ratings I want certain prospects to approach, i.e. using Dan Boyle as a template for Ryan Murphy.

I go off what I read at hfboards and various scouting sites. I'm less interested in being exact with ratings and more interested in modeling their general playing ability/tendency.

Keep an eye out for strength, poise, and endurance/durability as those are almost always going to need to be increased. Once poise reaches 75 the player gets a 3 (I think I've seen 2 though) point boost to overall which can be useful in trying to model realistic draft positioning.

Before doing a "for keeps" franchise sim a couple of years to track draft position, development patterns, etc. I foolishly had Larsson's ath at A- and his skating was at 90 by his 2nd/3rd year.

I'm also on the PS3 and wish there was a way to share rosters. For NBA2k I use a completely different roster/slider set-up than everyone else but the draft classes are still useful as a template and from saving me the time of having to create and edit dozens of players from scratch.

[luby3131]

thanks for the insight guys, and it just so happens ive been using the same lists for 2012 and 2013 (scoutman1 on hfboards is the best). the only difference is i have yakupov above grigorenko in 2012, but they will be rate similarly. thus far, ive worked extensively on the 2011 class, using the mid-term rankings from central scouting and mackenzies rankings as well. i rated larsson at #1 at 74 OVR with A-/A/A- potential (off/def/ath). landeskog is 74 with A-/B/B, couturier 74 A/A-/A- and rnh is 72 A-/B/B. a little low, but remember, 2011 is a weak class. i have logged everything into a spreadsheet, as well as a document to list the caps i created. so far i have tyler biggs, jt miller, scott mayfield, victor rask, mika zibanejad, rocco grimaldi, jamie oleksiak, seth ambroz, mario lucia, philippe hudon, and michael paliotta CAPs finished. not sure how many players deep im gonna go, but at least 120 deep for 2011, plus 30ish goalies. comment for any specific player ratings

[luby3131]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bluesman

Pretty much what I do as well only with potential at B unless the player is supposed to be truly elite in an area such as RNH has an A- for offense. I'll also look at elite/star NHL players to get an idea of what kind of ratings I want certain prospects to approach, i.e. using Dan Boyle as a template for Ryan Murphy. I go off what I read at hfboards and various scouting sites. I'm less interested in being exact with ratings and more interested in modeling their general playing ability/tendency. Keep an eye out for strength, poise, and endurance/durability as those are almost always going to need to be increased. Once poise reaches 75 the player gets a 3 (I think I've seen 2 though) point boost to overall which can be useful in trying to model realistic draft positioning. Before doing a "for keeps" franchise sim a couple of years to track draft position, development patterns, etc. I foolishly had Larsson's ath at A- and his skating was at 90 by his 2nd/3rd year. I'm also on the PS3 and wish there was a way to share rosters. For NBA2k I use a completely different roster/slider set-up than everyone else but the draft classes are still useful as a template and from saving me the time of having to create and edit dozens of players from scratch.

the man thing to me has been awr on each side of the ice, as well as player types. im happy with the way its turned out so far. hardest part is rating top players

[DrewDoughty8]

I just discovered a huge issue with doing such a project is that created players on the xbox360 turn red when drafted not sure about PS3 but I would go test that. Also all that stuff about the 2011 class being weaker I would take with a grain of salt. The first two rounds will be just as good as any of the last few if not better. However it will suffer in the late rounds. Therefore I think you should use Hall and Seguin as reference points for Larsson, Couturier, RNH and Landeskog. Personally if I had to rate them Larsson(79 A,A,A-), Couturier(78 A-,A-,A-), Landeskog(78 A-,A-,B) and RNH (76 A,A-,A) Don't know how they would develop but just using the 2010's as a reference point for potential.

[AngelPingu]

Quote: Originally Posted by DrewDoughty8

I just discovered a huge issue with doing such a project is that created players on the xbox360 turn red when drafted not sure about PS3 but I would go test that. Also all that stuff about the 2011 class being weaker I would take with a grain of salt. The first two rounds will be just as good as any of the last few if not better. However it will suffer in the late rounds. Therefore I think you should use Hall and Seguin as reference points for Larsson, Couturier, RNH and Landeskog. Personally if I had to rate them Larsson(79 A,A,A-), Couturier(78 A-,A-,A-), Landeskog(78 A-,A-,B) and RNH (76 A,A-,A) Don't know how they would develop but just using the 2010's as a reference point for potential.

Way too much for the potentials imo. I made Larsson a 73 A- A- A-, Couturier a 74 A- B B-, RNH a 72 A- B- B and Landeskog a 78 B B B, and in my franchise, Larsson topped at 94, Couturier at 89, RNH at 88 and Landeskog at 90. With the ratings you gave, I would not be surprised they would go in the mid 90s. :\
On another note, I myself created some players for the 2011, 2012 and 2013 draft. Here are some of them, and I know they might not be accurated.
2011 : Seth Ambroz (68 B B B-), Tyler Biggs (69 B B B), Victor Rask (68 B B- B) / EDITS : Couturier (74 A- B B-), Nugent-Hopkins (72 A- B- B), Larsson (73 A- A- A-), Landeskog (78 B B B)
2012 : Mikhail Grigorenko (75 A- B- A-), Sebastian Collberg (67 B B- B), Michael Matheson (70 B B- A) / EDITS : Nail Yakupov (78 A C A-), Griffin Reinhart (73 B B B), Nick Ebert (74 A- B B), Alex Galchenyuk (73 B B- A-)
2013 : Nathan MacKinnon (86 B B- B), Alex Forsberg (78 A- B B), Seth Jones (75 B A- B-) / EDITS : nothing notable