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MikeGiani · 10-07-2010, 11:00 AM

Let's put together a good list.

NDAlum had a good idea for the touches tendency:

"Here's what I'm going to do and just call it a day:

All-NBA type player who can put up 30 any given night: 80
All-Star type player who can light it up: 70
Very solid scoring option: 60
Quality scoring option: 50
Role player who can score: 45
Role player who takes backseat: 35
Scrub/D-league: 20

Let's look at the 76ers
80: Nobody
70: Iguodala
60: Turner, Young
50: Williams
45: Holiday, Hawes, Brand, Nocioni, Meeks, Speights
35: Kapono, Brackins, Songaila
20: Battie, Quinn"

eko718 · 10-07-2010, 11:08 AM

Lets also make sure that as soon as the insiders blog goes up, we bring this to his attention. I'm sure no-one wants to have to adjust this every time an update comes out....

BroMontana82 · 10-07-2010, 11:09 AM

you have to take into consideration each player's style not just if they're a star. the big problem is that most PGs have a low touch tendency so D rose is constantly dumping the ball off etc.

fcabanski · 10-07-2010, 12:23 PM

Of course for 2K11 this is the job. But aren't touches a team attribute, or coach attribute?

They could be set with a screen similar to rotation.

A coach looks at his personnel and style to determine who gets plays (touches) run for them. Then it would be an algorithm similar to rotation for the CPU teams to determine touches by player or position. When a player is hurt, or the roster changes, the CPU team re-calculates touches.

Something ugly I just tried. Hawes, C for Philly rated in the 60's - set touches to 70 for him. In played or simmed games he then scores 30ish PPG.

Just because a player gets touches shouldn't mean he scores. A bad player who takes lots of shots shouldn't become the league leading scorer. But that seems to be happening.

SonicMage · 10-07-2010, 12:37 PM

Usage % seems like the best estimator for touches tendency to me.

fcabanski · 10-07-2010, 12:44 PM

"the big problem is that most PGs have a low touch tendency so D rose is constantly dumping the ball off etc."

He also dishes out 4-5 APG. So that has to be balanced with his offense.

Jukeman · 10-07-2010, 01:22 PM

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	Usage % seems like the best estimator for touches tendency to me.

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MikeGiani · 10-07-2010, 01:52 PM

Where is usage%?

10-07-2010, 11:00 AM	#1
MikeGiani Pro OVR: 9 Join Date: Aug 2008	Touches Tendencies/Coach Tendencies Let's put together a good list. NDAlum had a good idea for the touches tendency: "Here's what I'm going to do and just call it a day: All-NBA type player who can put up 30 any given night: 80 All-Star type player who can light it up: 70 Very solid scoring option: 60 Quality scoring option: 50 Role player who can score: 45 Role player who takes backseat: 35 Scrub/D-league: 20 Let's look at the 76ers 80: Nobody 70: Iguodala 60: Turner, Young 50: Williams 45: Holiday, Hawes, Brand, Nocioni, Meeks, Speights 35: Kapono, Brackins, Songaila 20: Battie, Quinn" __________________ PSN - MikeDG719

10-07-2010, 11:08 AM	#2
eko718 MVP OVR: 14 Join Date: Sep 2005	Re: Touches Tendencies/Coach Tendencies Lets also make sure that as soon as the insiders blog goes up, we bring this to his attention. I'm sure no-one wants to have to adjust this every time an update comes out....

10-07-2010, 11:09 AM	#3
BroMontana82 Support Sim OVR: 52 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 2,230 Blog Entries: 20	Re: Touches Tendencies/Coach Tendencies you have to take into consideration each player's style not just if they're a star. the big problem is that most PGs have a low touch tendency so D rose is constantly dumping the ball off etc.

10-07-2010, 12:23 PM	#4
fcabanski Banned OVR: 6 Join Date: Nov 2009	Re: Touches Tendencies/Coach Tendencies Of course for 2K11 this is the job. But aren't touches a team attribute, or coach attribute? They could be set with a screen similar to rotation. A coach looks at his personnel and style to determine who gets plays (touches) run for them. Then it would be an algorithm similar to rotation for the CPU teams to determine touches by player or position. When a player is hurt, or the roster changes, the CPU team re-calculates touches. Something ugly I just tried. Hawes, C for Philly rated in the 60's - set touches to 70 for him. In played or simmed games he then scores 30ish PPG. Just because a player gets touches shouldn't mean he scores. A bad player who takes lots of shots shouldn't become the league leading scorer. But that seems to be happening.

10-07-2010, 12:37 PM	#5
SonicMage NBA Ratings Wizard OVR: 14 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Southern Cali Posts: 3,544	Re: Touches Tendencies/Coach Tendencies Usage % seems like the best estimator for touches tendency to me.

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10-07-2010, 12:44 PM	#6
fcabanski Banned OVR: 6 Join Date: Nov 2009	Re: Touches Tendencies/Coach Tendencies "the big problem is that most PGs have a low touch tendency so D rose is constantly dumping the ball off etc." He also dishes out 4-5 APG. So that has to be balanced with his offense.

10-07-2010, 01:52 PM	#8
MikeGiani Pro OVR: 9 Join Date: Aug 2008	Re: Touches Tendencies/Coach Tendencies Where is usage%? __________________ PSN - MikeDG719

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