Next-Gen Madden Vs Other EA Sports Games,What Happened?

[tlc12576]

Quote: Originally Posted by Senator Palmer

Via Twitter @BigGamer09 Any hopes of getting lighting changes throughout the course of a game via patch? A little bit bummed that it won't be in @ian_cummings nope, sorry, not this year. Much bigger fish to fry with gameplay and such

This tweet from Ian posted by Sen. Palmer started me wondering about why next-gen Madden has been repeatedly "lacking" year after year.I dont want this thread to be just alot of complaints vs praises for next-gen Madden but a reasonable discussion.Please refrain from mentioning or comparing next-gen Madden to any games other than EA games.I think this can be a reasonable and OS welcomed discussion if we can limit our next-gen Madden expectations,disappointments,criticisms and credit being comparable to other EA Sports game,past and present.No matter your opinion on individual next-gen Maddens or next-gen Madden all together,I think we can all agree that the game has been "lacking" in various areas.

That said,this tweet specifically brought NCAA Football 11 to my mind.Unless Im mistaken,I think that EA football title will have progressive lighting this year.It also seems to be adding most,if not all,of the new gameplay features being added to Madden 11.If all this is true,why would the reason for Madden not having progressive lighting this year be to focus more on gameplay and stuff?

Also,with NCAA Football,there seems to be focused attention on Dynasty mode in that game.I didnt specifically mention online or offline because in NCAA Football,to its' credit,there is no destinction needed.They are equal modes with equal features and focus.In Madden I can understand the dynamics of a salary cap and team finances being difficult to translate to online servers.However,that doesnt explain why franchise mode as a whole doesnt recieve the focused attention of being a mode as equally important for NFL football gamers as Dynasty is for collegiate football gamers.

I focused on EAs other football title mainly because that's Maddens' only licensed football rival right now.However,even when looking at EAs' NBA Live,now NBA Elite,Madden still comes up "lacking" in comparision.In NBA Live,they added Dynamic DNA which focused on individual player/team stats and tedencies for more NBA authenticity.Also player differential,crowd intensity and Dynamic Season were put in that game.Arent authentic player stats,tendencies and upgrades just as important to NFL football gamers?Why do Madden gamers have to wait weeks or longer for roster updates?The crowd in NFL football is considered the 12th man for every home team.A NBA crowd has never recieved a symbolic 6th man award in basketball but NBA Live still foucused on it.

I could go on and on about what other EA Sports games have done to focus on target areas for sport gamers that next-gen Madden hasnt.I just dont understand how Madden can lack year after year on fundamental areas that all sports fan love about their sports.Stats,crowds,officials calling penalties,player individuality,social networking with fellow fans/rivals,team off-season expectations and moves are what make people passionate about sports and sports games.

Why do so many other EA Sports games at least make those areas their focus while next-gen Madden,EAs' most storied title,seems to continuely go "lacking" in comparison?

[sniperhare]

No competition so they don't need to try as hard.

[PVarck31]

Quote: Originally Posted by sniperhare

No competition so they don't need to try as hard.

Give me a break. I am so sick of hearing this. You honestly don't think the guys who work on the game try hard?? They have no pride? No self worth? You think they laugh and have another beer when the community is disappointed with something they created? DO you think that EA is not concerned with the declining sales this gen? DO you not think Madden 10 was a huge leap in the right direction?

I am so sick of reading this crap.

[wheelman990]

In my HONEST opinion, and I'm not taking a shot here, the Madden devs just dont have what it takes to make a great football game. Thats just my opinion.

I honestly liked SOME THINGS in Madden 06(XBOX360) better then 2010. While 2010 obviously has more features, etc...they all feel half done. I often wonder if Madden needs to go back to 06, and start adding/fixing things with a cleaner build(meaning bare game).

Madden 06 had better graphics(besides everyone was buff, everything was better), bettter camera(awesome zoom cam, but broken route view/etc), arguably better annimations(not AS MUCH shifting, etc...

It just feels like they took a game build and just piled stuff on it year after year. Sometimes without cleaning up the old mess, etc

Madden 2010 was the best version this generation, but not by much. Just my opinion


#1 madden 10
#2Madden 07 ps3
#3 madden 06
#4 madden 08
#5 madden 09

[tlc12576]

Quote: Originally Posted by pjv31_OS

Give me a break. I am so sick of hearing this. You honestly don't think the guys who work on the game try hard?? They have no pride? No self worth? You think they laugh and have another beer when the community is disappointed with something they created? DO you think that EA is not concerned with the declining sales this gen? DO you not think Madden 10 was a huge leap in the right direction? I am so sick of reading this crap.

Yeah,have to agree with this logic.In that latest Gus Johnson vid,he mentioned something about guys putting their heart and souls into Madden.So I gotta believe the devs have some kind of personal pride with at least some areas of the game and EA trying to make a dollar goes without saying.LOL

Quote: Originally Posted by wheelman990

In my HONEST opinion, and I'm not taking a shot here, the Madden devs just dont have what it takes to make a great football game. Thats just my opinion. I honestly liked SOME THINGS in Madden 06(XBOX360) better then 2010. While 2010 obviously has more features, etc...they all feel half done. I often wonder if Madden needs to go back to 06, and start adding/fixing things with a cleaner build(meaning bare game). Madden 06 had better graphics(besides everyone was buff, everything was better), bettter camera(awesome zoom cam, but broken route view/etc), arguably better annimations(not AS MUCH shifting, etc... It just feels like they took a game build and just piled stuff on it year after year. Sometimes without cleaning up the old mess, etc Madden 2010 was the best version this generation, but not by much. Just my opinion #1 madden 10 #2Madden 07 ps3 #3 madden 06 #4 madden 08 #5 madden 09

I can understand what you are saying but I dont see how this can be the case.There have been several different devs,in different positions for next-gen Madden,so do you think they all dont have what it takes?

I dont know why next-gen Madden has been lacking every year,maybe you are right but the reason would probably be something more consistent then the dev teams,IMO.

I just watched a vid where Ian said franchise doesnt matter if gameplay is broke or something like that.I see what he is getting at but there are alot more elements to franchise than just gameplay.The upgrades to Dynasty mode in NCAA had nothing to do with the gameplay,this is the type stuff that motivated me to start this thread.

I dont get who or what is "pulling the strings" for next-gen Madden in relation to what NFL football gamers prioritize vs collegiate football gamers.If they deem non-gameplay elements are important for one,why not the other?

[Bgamer90]

Just to let you guys know, here's what Ian said to me about it (also why is my name in that post "BigGamer09"? lol):


"It's super time-consuming to make sure all times of day in all stadiums in all weather looks good. Easy to implement, hard to tune."

[sois]

Quote: Originally Posted by pjv31_OS

Give me a break. I am so sick of hearing this. You honestly don't think the guys who work on the game try hard?? They have no pride? No self worth? You think they laugh and have another beer when the community is disappointed with something they created? DO you think that EA is not concerned with the declining sales this gen? DO you not think Madden 10 was a huge leap in the right direction? I am so sick of reading this crap.

Maybe they're just not as talented as the other teams? I wish some other EA dev house would get a shot at Madden. Just to see what happens. I actually love some EA games and even hold EA stock because I love some of the other development studios. Tiburon has been stale for a while. Ian is an in-house promotion so there won't really be anything drastic happening IMO while he is running things.

PS No I didn't think Madden 10 was a step in the right direction. SSDD, lots of problems that I personally can't look past anymore.

[Only1LT]

Quote: Originally Posted by wheelman990

In my HONEST opinion, and I'm not taking a shot here, the Madden devs just dont have what it takes to make a great football game. Thats just my opinion. I honestly liked SOME THINGS in Madden 06(XBOX360) better then 2010. While 2010 obviously has more features, etc...they all feel half done. I often wonder if Madden needs to go back to 06, and start adding/fixing things with a cleaner build(meaning bare game). Madden 06 had better graphics(besides everyone was buff, everything was better), bettter camera(awesome zoom cam, but broken route view/etc), arguably better annimations(not AS MUCH shifting, etc... It just feels like they took a game build and just piled stuff on it year after year. Sometimes without cleaning up the old mess, etc Madden 2010 was the best version this generation, but not by much. Just my opinion #1 madden 10 #2Madden 07 ps3 #3 madden 06 #4 madden 08 #5 madden 09

You bring up interesting points and I agree with some of them. The one thing that I disagree with is that I would rate Madden 07 PS3 ahead of Madden 10. Sad to say, but I really think it's true. The gang tackling in that game was better than Pro-tak. Don't even get me started on the passing game and the animations. Only thing 10 has over it is polygon count, but some of that is negated by the fact that the player models, though not great on 07 either, have just gotten weirder. Yeah everyone in 07 is too muscular, but they still looked more human. Everyone in 10 is anorexic and disproportionate in many ways.