Att: Roster makers. (Some findings and observations)

[nogster]

As the vets of this place would know, I am a long time roster editor/creator who since before NBA2k on the dreamcast, has edited rosters to improve the single player and/or CPU gameplay.

I am back at it this year, currently creating a custom roster that will include many legends and superstars from the 80s to now.
Anyways, through my repeated editing and subsequent testing I have found a few things that will help you other roster editors out. (If you haven't discovered it already.


1. Current team playbooks have hardcoded sets that take precedent over plays. This makes the "run plays" coaching slider practically redundant.
This hard code also lessens the impact of the touches tendency for the most part.
This was an issue in 2k21. Made it very difficult to edit rosters and get teams and players to respond to edits and not overuse a particular player without significantly lowering their touches tendency thus causing issues down the stretch.
This was not a problem with 2k23. But it's back in 2k25. (I skipped 2k24)
The fix is to replace the current playbook with a classic or user playbook. Then adjust the suitable plays for said team.

The non current playbooks don't seem to be "hard coded" and will actually respond to your edits and much more often utilise the plays you put in the playbook. And "run plays" coaching slider will actually be effective.

This is a must for you hardcore roster editors who want a better cpu gameplay experience.

I will post here and inform on any more findings as i continue to create and edit this roster.
My goal is to have a cpu v cpu myleague. Where I control every team and "watch" every game, jumping in when i see fit or when i have time.
I did it for 2k23 and it was my greatest roster.
A full NBA gaming nerd experience!!

If you guys have other findings that may help other like minded roster makers, post it here.

[taildog]

What do you mean by hard coded in this context? Sounds like you’re referring to series or freelance. Do you have video evidence of what you’re talking about?

[nogster]

What I mean is the current teams playlist does not properly adhere to touch tendencies, coach profile run plays slider and the actual plays.
It seems to me, after a lot of testing and experimenting that the current playbooks have freelance plays that take precedence. And we have no way of editing these when creating rosters. You will see plays occur that are not in the playbook at all. And if you make personal changes.
Ie: I am adding some retired stars to current rosters. So Stockton and malone to jazz.
Then after editing their tendencies, playbooks etc and testing the gameplay. Markkanen gets all the preference and i am seeing sets that are not in the playbook at all. So i changed the playbook to 97 jazz playbook. And used all the same plays I edited with the current jazz playbook. And straight away, Stockton and malone started running the plays i set them to and markkanen played more like the glorified spot shooter I wanted him to be with this roster.
This is just 1 example. The 1st glaring example was the clippers. I added Paul and Griffin to the team and moved Harden to Rockets.
Edited and tested and using the current playbook all I was seeing was Leonard hogging over and over. So again, I changed their playbook to an older teams playbook, but adjusted the plays to what I had them set to with the clips current playbook and straight away, Paul and griffin started running plays i set, mixed with leonard plays.
There is a clear difference.

Simply put.
The non current playbooks seem to be a lot more responsive to edits and plays. Because I suspect the current playbooks have freelance set as precedence designed to accentuate that teams star.

Feel free to test this yourselves.

[BiTractBANNED]

Seeing the year '02 on the Grizzlies playbook is so off-putting when it's already 2016. Especially knowing when they reuse the same Vancouver Grizzlies court for Lebron and Steph eras in the 2010s. AND the '12-13 Grizzlies AS WELL as '05-06 Grizzlies are in the same with the authentic court. I understand some old plays still get used in the late 2010s but it's just so bad and the home court Grizzlies are unusable in MyNBA sims for a majority of casual players when even the wrong courts are being imported from era to era. I'm getting nitpicky with the '02 plays stuff being labeled since it's all across the league in every playbook but how much space in the game does it actually take to just duplicate the same play and rename it to a more non-immense experience breaking name?
(Apologize in advance for the discretion of low 60 overall generic players. They're going to be eradicated from the roster, as per every year)

[Baebae32]

Thank you for posting this. Well test this with my ficitinonal roster. I do see repeating of the same actions (mainly away action and floppy action). So will create a retro playbook with current plays and report back

[1CK1S]

So is this the reason why scoring PG's play like prime Kobe and take every shot on every possession?

[CelticLG]

Quote: Originally Posted by 1CK1S

So is this the reason why scoring PG's play like prime Kobe and take every shot on every possession?

Play discipline tendency is wrongfully rated for both stars and role players, so the offense is star-centric

[Cycloniac]

So, is the workaround to create custom playbooks and move the plays from current into them?

Eg create custom Nuggets playbook, move all plays from current Nuggets playbook to custom one, and use?