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KoachYo · 11-14-2022, 12:25 PM

Could EA provide more to Madden if MUT and Franchise were totally separate games?

Could the full potential of both modes be maximized this way?

It seems like its getting glitchier each game and the fixes are so big for both that they are now so large that it takes much of the season to fix or attempt to fix everything.

Could Madden Online and Offline franchise have a more in depth experience if there wasn't so much in the one Madden game?

Or can the current game be fixed with the total removal of the FACE of The Franchise mode?

Thoughts?

KoachYo · 11-14-2022, 12:32 PM

Personally,

I would like to see more of a HEAD COACH 08 where we could design plays and playbooks better, with a real practice mode like the late 90s early 2000s. I would like to see a full week of preparation before a game (with an option to sim or skip for those that don't want to do that).

I would like to see coordinators and scheme have more of an impact on play calling if you choose to let the computer give you a choice of plays.

Fatigue have more effect, ability to choose weather and game times. More equipment choices and color choices.

The MUT heads want more as well.

I'm sure this has been suggested before. Has anyone from EA ever expressed their thoughts about that?

I think 2K may be setting it up to do that.

Madden08PCgmr · 11-14-2022, 12:48 PM

Yes, 100%

1-size-fits-all clearly isn't working.

I think they underestimate their audience considerably. The appetite for the NFL is rabid. They could sell an online/play now game, a franchise/season game, AND a head coach game.

.. if they could make the licensing work, I can't even imagine what they could make off a retro series like NBA2k has released.

Caulfield · 11-14-2022, 02:29 PM

my gut tells me yes,
but then I think again that no more devs would be working
on franchise as a stand-alone than already does as is.
so it'd probably be a wash

Hooe · 11-14-2022, 03:10 PM

Based on how short-lived NFL Head Coach was, I don’t think we would actually enjoy the hypothetical world where Ultimate Team is partitioned into its own game. I kinda think that road ends with MUT becoming Madden by default and the Madden Franchise game being dead.

It’s also not just MUT one has to consider, either. Where would Superstar KO, The Yard, Draft Champions, and Face Of The Franchise get sent off to?

JoshC1977 · 11-14-2022, 03:36 PM

It sounds good in theory, but I just don't think it would help in the ways some of the OS community would want it to. The franchise community is so incredibly heterogeneous; it's nowhere near as binary as MUT vs Franchise.

Madden's approach to franchise is to make it appealing across a broad spectrum of players (single player leagues, multi-player leagues, both hardcore sim guys and guys who just want to play it more casually with arcade elements). They don't offer enough user-controlled elements to vary the experience across the user bases and it becomes a messy catch-all situation. IMO, this is more the root cause of franchise's shortcomings (from the typical viewpoint of many OSers) than anything to do with MUT.

MLBTS and NBA2k both have quality franchise offerings (albeit they do it different ways with different strengths/weaknesses) along with quality card collecting modes. It absolutely CAN be done - I don't see one impacting the other.

If EA were to separate Madden, we'd very likely get the same "catch all" franchise mode in the "franchise game" as we have now as it really appeals to be their design philosophy from a holistic perspective.

Caulfield · 11-14-2022, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CM Hooe


	Based on how short-lived NFL Head Coach was, I don’t think we would actually enjoy the hypothetical world where Ultimate Team is partitioned into its own game. I kinda think that road ends with MUT becoming Madden by default and the Madden Franchise game being dead. It’s also not just MUT one has to consider, either. Where would Superstar KO, The Yard, Draft Champions, and Face Of The Franchise get sent off to?

Face of the Franchise would go with regular franchise and MUT would get the rest

BadAssHskr · 11-14-2022, 06:21 PM

Cut it all out with exception of MUT and CFM.

On the field both games should play simulation style football, should be exactly the same, should be geared towards replicating what we se on Sundays.

CFM gets the Franchise parts.
MUT gets the MUT parts.

Everyone switches back to the NCAA game next year.

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KoachYo Rookie OVR: 2 Join Date: Jun 2003	Would Madden be better if MUT and Franchise were different games Could EA provide more to Madden if MUT and Franchise were totally separate games? Could the full potential of both modes be maximized this way? It seems like its getting glitchier each game and the fixes are so big for both that they are now so large that it takes much of the season to fix or attempt to fix everything. Could Madden Online and Offline franchise have a more in depth experience if there wasn't so much in the one Madden game? Or can the current game be fixed with the total removal of the FACE of The Franchise mode? Thoughts? hellboundz likes this. __________________ Football players, please stop using the term "world class speed". World class is much faster than 10.40

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KoachYo Rookie OVR: 2 Join Date: Jun 2003	Re: Would Madden be better if MUT and Franchise were different games Personally, I would like to see more of a HEAD COACH 08 where we could design plays and playbooks better, with a real practice mode like the late 90s early 2000s. I would like to see a full week of preparation before a game (with an option to sim or skip for those that don't want to do that). I would like to see coordinators and scheme have more of an impact on play calling if you choose to let the computer give you a choice of plays. Fatigue have more effect, ability to choose weather and game times. More equipment choices and color choices. The MUT heads want more as well. I'm sure this has been suggested before. Has anyone from EA ever expressed their thoughts about that? I think 2K may be setting it up to do that. canes21, Caulfield and Madden08PCgmr like this. __________________ Football players, please stop using the term "world class speed". World class is much faster than 10.40

11-14-2022, 12:48 PM	#3
Madden08PCgmr MVP OVR: 0 Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: The Green Dragon, Hobbiton	Re: Would Madden be better if MUT and Franchise were different games Yes, 100% 1-size-fits-all clearly isn't working. I think they underestimate their audience considerably. The appetite for the NFL is rabid. They could sell an online/play now game, a franchise/season game, AND a head coach game. .. if they could make the licensing work, I can't even imagine what they could make off a retro series like NBA2k has released. jerwoods and Caulfield like this. __________________ You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. Last edited by Madden08PCgmr; 11-14-2022 at 12:59 PM.

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JoshC1977 All Star OVR: 5 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Morgantown, WV Posts: 11,569	Re: Would Madden be better if MUT and Franchise were different games It sounds good in theory, but I just don't think it would help in the ways some of the OS community would want it to. The franchise community is so incredibly heterogeneous; it's nowhere near as binary as MUT vs Franchise. Madden's approach to franchise is to make it appealing across a broad spectrum of players (single player leagues, multi-player leagues, both hardcore sim guys and guys who just want to play it more casually with arcade elements). They don't offer enough user-controlled elements to vary the experience across the user bases and it becomes a messy catch-all situation. IMO, this is more the root cause of franchise's shortcomings (from the typical viewpoint of many OSers) than anything to do with MUT. MLBTS and NBA2k both have quality franchise offerings (albeit they do it different ways with different strengths/weaknesses) along with quality card collecting modes. It absolutely CAN be done - I don't see one impacting the other. If EA were to separate Madden, we'd very likely get the same "catch all" franchise mode in the "franchise game" as we have now as it really appeals to be their design philosophy from a holistic perspective. Caulfield likes this. __________________ Play the games you love, not the games you want to love.

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BadAssHskr XSX OVR: 9 Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,377	Re: Would Madden be better if MUT and Franchise were different games Cut it all out with exception of MUT and CFM. On the field both games should play simulation style football, should be exactly the same, should be geared towards replicating what we se on Sundays. CFM gets the Franchise parts. MUT gets the MUT parts. Everyone switches back to the NCAA game next year. Ghost Of The Year likes this. __________________ "Not the victory but the action. Not the goal but the game. In the deed the glory." Last edited by BadAssHskr; 11-14-2022 at 08:20 PM.

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