Madden NFL 18 Features New Target Passing, Coverage Assignments & More

[ODogg]

Quote: Originally Posted by Godgers12

We know that for sure?

All these enhanced type features are always optional in EA games so there is no reason to believe otherwise. This new passing has been compared to FIFA, just go look at it in FIFA, optional.

[ODogg]

Quote: Originally Posted by XtremeDunkz

An option would ruin the game for online play. Settings have to be standard across the board. It is already bad enough playing in a league where a few people use all of the user assists because to make themselves artificially better. Being able to use classic passing instead of learning the new mechanic is another cop out for online play.

When you play FIFA online you can use whatever way of passing you like in online games. Its likely it'll be more difficult to use the targeted passing, which means it'll be up to the user to try to learn it or just do it the old way.

Many things in Madden are like that, optional, you can do a stiff arm a few ways for example and those all work in ranked. It's up to the user how they play, as it should be.

Not a cop-out to give people the options to control the game however they like. If you feel you're getting your butt handed to you because the other guy is using the new target passing and you're not then its up to you to learn it.

Another optional item is the total control passing, like whether you throw it low, high or just regular. Many people I know who are friends don't use those things at all, never have never will. Its up to each person to use the new features or not use the new features.

[XtremeDunkz]

Quote: Originally Posted by ODogg

When you play FIFA online you can use whatever way of passing you like in online games. Its likely it'll be more difficult to use the targeted passing, which means it'll be up to the user to try to learn it or just do it the old way. Many things in Madden are like that, optional, you can do a stiff arm a few ways for example and those all work in ranked. It's up to the user how they play, as it should be. Not a cop-out to give people the options to control the game however they like. If you feel you're getting your butt handed to you because the other guy is using the new target passing and you're not then its up to you to learn it. Another optional item is the total control passing, like whether you throw it low, high or just regular. Many people I know who are friends don't use those things at all, never have never will. Its up to each person to use the new features or not use the new features.

You're missing the point. I'll give you a scenario.

32 man online franchise. Browns vs Chiefs. You have Kizer going up against Maholmes. The guy controlling the Chiefs is using the new target passing style and since he is using a rookie QB he is throwing some inaccurate passes and has been picked of a couple times. The Browns guy using Kizor is using traditional passing and is hitting guys in stride every time as is Madden standard forever. That is not an even playing field, therefor should not be allowed.

The same goes for competitive online play. Offline sure do whatever you want. But online has to be uniform, otherwise people will just give up on using a new feature that may make the game more realistic in favor of using the easy unrealistic method. You know what happens then? EA's analytics show no one is using the new feature and it gets removed.

[DeuceDouglas]

Quote: Originally Posted by XtremeDunkz

You're missing the point. I'll give you a scenario. 32 man online franchise. Browns vs Chiefs. You have Kizer going up against Maholmes. The guy controlling the Chiefs is using the new target passing style and since he is using a rookie QB he is throwing some inaccurate passes and has been picked of a couple times. The Browns guy using Kizor is using traditional passing and is hitting guys in stride every time as is Madden standard forever. That is not an even playing field, therefor should not be allowed. The same goes for competitive online play. Offline sure do whatever you want. But online has to be uniform, otherwise people will just give up on using a new feature that may make the game more realistic in favor of using the easy unrealistic method. You know what happens then? EA's analytics show no one is using the new feature and it gets removed.

I wonder if they could have separate tournament settings for the Madden Challenge events that are different than the default online settings. I just can't see an overly difficult mechanic being the default for online H2H and at the same time if it's a combination of an easy mechanic and a more difficult mechanic then it isn't going to do much to change the landscape of the competitive side because people will just use the easy one the majority of the time.

But if they had three options where one was classic or the way it is now, one was a combo of classic and the new mechanic where you could use it but didn't have to (this would be default for H2H online, and then one where it's just the new mechanic which would be the most difficult then I think you could make everyone pretty happy. Online wouldn't be drastically altered because the old Passing would still be there and just as easy to use, competitive would have to learn and use the new mechanic with the greatest skill gap online because it would be used at tournaments and sim guys can choose either of the three. But that is assuming the new mechanic is a difficult mechanic that has as much freedom as they're portraying and we still don't know how accurate that is yet.

[Greenblood60]

Quote: Originally Posted by Godgers12

We know that for sure?

It would incredibly stupid for EA to do otherwise. Imposing a new passing system onto users would do nothing but alienate consumers.

[Greenblood60]

Quote: Originally Posted by XtremeDunkz

An option would ruin the game for online play. Settings have to be standard across the board. It is already bad enough playing in a league where a few people use all of the user assists because to make themselves artificially better. Being able to use classic passing instead of learning the new mechanic is another cop out for online play.

An option doesn't have to been an option in the toggle on toggle off sense. Users could have the option to utilize the target passing feature or pass the traditional way.

[ODogg]

Quote: Originally Posted by XtremeDunkz

You're missing the point. I'll give you a scenario. 32 man online franchise. Browns vs Chiefs. You have Kizer going up against Maholmes. The guy controlling the Chiefs is using the new target passing style and since he is using a rookie QB he is throwing some inaccurate passes and has been picked of a couple times. The Browns guy using Kizor is using traditional passing and is hitting guys in stride every time as is Madden standard forever. That is not an even playing field, therefor should not be allowed.

You're making the faulty assumption that the person using the newer style passing system would be worse using it. They probably will be worse at using it at first but if they get good at it they likely have the potential to be even better than someone using the buttons.

Traditionally that's the case for any sports games control schemes. The basic scheme of control is easily accessible for people to use, the more advanced schemes are harder to use but can offer a greater return on those who master them.

I actually thought you were going to make the opposite point, that someone using the new targeting system could potentially make some scrub QB into a really good QB. That's probably something we should be more concerned about. But honestly if player ratings still come into play then that shouldn't be an issue..

[XtremeDunkz]

Quote: Originally Posted by ODogg

You're making the faulty assumption that the person using the newer style passing system would be worse using it. They probably will be worse at using it at first but if they get good at it they likely have the potential to be even better than someone using the buttons. Traditionally that's the case for any sports games control schemes. The basic scheme of control is easily accessible for people to use, the more advanced schemes are harder to use but can offer a greater return on those who master them. I actually thought you were going to make the opposite point, that someone using the new targeting system could potentially make some scrub QB into a really good QB. That's probably something we should be more concerned about. But honestly if player ratings still come into play then that shouldn't be an issue..

Well no because I am assuming that hopefully the more complex passing mechanic tied in with the simulation style of play should give the ratings more control over where a pass ends up. Young QBs with lower attributes are way more likely to throw errant passes with a new mechanic whereas with the old system every QB is more or less the same.