NBA 2K18 Features Shaquille O'Neal on the Cover of Legend Edition, Ships September 15

[VAWereWolf65]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gosens6

2K9 and 2K10 for starters had worse gameplay. 2K14 next gen had significantly worse gameplay. I won't even mention the PS2 and Xbox era .. The point is, according to a handful of users on OS, every single year is the "worst 2K ever". Some people just need to stop buying the game if that's their stance. Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

Well I don't think it's really fair to compare a PS2 game to a PS4 game...

The gameplay was good for the time period when it came out.

2k9 and 10 were bad but not as sloppy as 2k17

This is all my opinion though. You're obviously entitled to believe whatever you want but this is what I believe.

[Gosens6]

Quote: Originally Posted by VAWereWolf65

Well I don't think it's really fair to compare a PS2 game to a PS4 game... The gameplay was good for the time period when it came out. 2k9 and 10 were bad but not as sloppy as 2k17 This is all my opinion though. You're obviously entitled to believe whatever you want but this is what I believe.

I said in my post I won't even mention the PS2 and Xbox games ..

You're absolutely right about opinions, but let me ask you this. In your honest opinion, name ONE thing 2K9 , 2K10 and 2K14 did that were superior to 2K17.


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[Comduklakis]

I think our expectations grow though. So what we found acceptable in 2k4 and 2k5 is not what is acceptable in 2k17. At this point I don't know how much of it is me and how much of it is 2k but I haven't been really happy with a 2k since 2k12. I think my frustration lies less in the game not being perfect and more in legacy issues that never get fixed (e.g. guys playing with 3 and 4 fouls in the 1st half) and in the fact that 2k spends more time creating new modes and new fancy features than fixing existing features, fine tuning gameplay, and most of all beta testing the game instead of releasing it with basic, obvious flaws.

That said, I get it. VC makes money. Shiny new features attract casual gamers. Advertising "better free agent logic and rotations" is hardly somehting you put in a press release. So with the economics what they are, I'm long ago become comfortable with 30 team control to take care of issues in franchise mode. I realize as an offline player who doesn't spend a dime over the 60 bucks that I am the least of 2k's concerns. Ultimately I make the decision each year whether I want the game or not. For the last 3 years I've said to myself I probably shouldn't buy but then I hear enough good stuff here to take a shot. And ultimately if I get enough enjoyment out of the game despite the frustrations of moving screens, being sucked into animations, turbo AI players running down John Wall, etc. then it was worth it.

In a perfect world a well funded game with rights to the NBA players would present itself as competition. But I wouldnt' hold my breath so that leaves two choices: buy or don't buy. The latter may send a message to 2k. However, just because I do buy I don't give up my right to criticize the game and to be unhappy with certain aspects.

[VAWereWolf65]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gosens6

I said in my post I won't even mention the PS2 and Xbox games .. You're absolutely right about opinions, but let me ask you this. In your honest opinion, name ONE thing 2K9 , 2K10 and 2K14 did that were superior to 2K17. Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

I hardly remember those games that in depth, 2k9 was almost 9 years ago. Maybe it was just because I wasn't as big of a gamer back then, but I don't remember being nearly as frustrated with little things that could have easily been fixed if a little more time was put into it

[Gosens6]

Quote: Originally Posted by VAWereWolf65

I hardly remember those games that in depth, 2k9 was almost 9 years ago. Maybe it was just because I wasn't as big of a gamer back then, but I don't remember being nearly as frustrated with little things that could have easily been fixed if a little more time was put into it

By no means am I saying 2K17 is the perfect game, heck, go look at my post history and you can see I was very very critical of the game this year.

My thing is, and this is what's so frustrating is the borderline agenda posting by certain users here every single day about how horrible the game is, it's the worst game ever, etc.

Instead of that, why not threads and posts on how these things that are so bad can be improved on? How can we help the devs implement better defensive rotations? What suggestions can we give to improve the flawed shooting system?

No one wants to do that, everyone wants to bash and complain. The devs who create this game are as talented as any game developer out there, but they're also human. They owned up to 2K17 as not their best work, hell, they pretty much confirmed they were disappointed with the final product. These guys admittedly make mistakes, which is why they come to this board for interaction.

Hell, they look to us for advice and they take it in stride. How many members of this community work for them now? This community used to be the place to go for advice, help, workarounds, working with devs to improve the game. Now the cool thing is to complain, moan, offer no advice and tell the devs hot terrible they are.

Look, this isn't a personal attack on you, or anyone else. My whole point is that we as a community need to take a hard look and see what hell is being posted here every single day. In the end, 95% of us want a good, sim basketball game.

[Comduklakis]

Quote: Originally Posted by VAWereWolf65

I hardly remember those games that in depth, 2k9 was almost 9 years ago. Maybe it was just because I wasn't as big of a gamer back then, but I don't remember being nearly as frustrated with little things that could have easily been fixed if a little more time was put into it

I think what makes a difference for me is that for years and years it seemed each year of 2k was a leap forward in both gameplay and features. Then they hit about 2k13 and suddenly that wasn't the case. Now of course it had become so advanced that it becomes more complicated to make advances in gameplay but I still am not seeing the leaps forward in gameplay there once was. In fact I'd argue for every improvement, something else is seemingly off.

so no, I don't hold 2k5 or 2k9 to the same standards. You have to look at each game for the time and the system it existed. And for years and years 2k got better and better.

[VAWereWolf65]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gosens6

By no means am I saying 2K17 is the perfect game, heck, go look at my post history and you can see I was very very critical of the game this year. My thing is, and this is what's so frustrating is the borderline agenda posting by certain users here every single day about how horrible the game is, it's the worst game ever, etc. Instead of that, why not threads and posts on how these things that are so bad can be improved on? How can we help the devs implement better defensive rotations? What suggestions can we give to improve the flawed shooting system? No one wants to do that, everyone wants to bash and complain. The devs who create this game are as talented as any game developer out there, but they're also human. They owned up to 2K17 as not their best work, hell, they pretty much confirmed they were disappointed with the final product. These guys admittedly make mistakes, which is why they come to this board for interaction. Hell, they look to us for advice and they take it in stride. How many members of this community work for them now? This community used to be the place to go for advice, help, workarounds, working with devs to improve the game. Now the cool thing is to complain, moan, offer no advice and tell the devs hot terrible they are. Look, this isn't a personal attack on you, or anyone else. My whole point is that we as a community need to take a hard look and see what hell is being posted here every single day. In the end, 95% of us want a good, sim basketball game.

A good sim basketball thing is all i'm looking for. I don't like to see myself as an agenda poster. I've made my fair share of threads talking about how the game could improve. Hell, here's a thread i made with 13 pages talking about how animations in the game could be improved upon.

[youvalss]

I remember thinking 2K4 was a piece of junk back in 2004 - not today in 2017. It was their worst effort ever, especially after 2K3. Imagine they released 2K11 and the year after they released Live 07. This is what it was like for me back then. It's not a look-back today, it's how I felt back then. A slap on the face.