MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Presentation & Commentary

[Blzer]

Quote: Originally Posted by parky_17

This is something I've wanted for a long time too, I do remember seeing a home run in one of the IGN videos where the Cubs hit one and all the crowd did stand up and got a bit louder as the ball flew into the seats Sent from my SM-G920F using Operation Sports mobile app

Don't get me wrong, they definitely animate more (I'm sure the game cues up certain crowd animations for home runs), but it certainly isn't the major uproar you'd otherwise see.

Maybe considering the last real ball I've seen was from the 2016 playoffs, I'm misremembering what crowds generally do on any ol' home run.

[Jr.]

Quote: Originally Posted by parky_17

This is something I've wanted for a long time too, I do remember seeing a home run in one of the IGN videos where the Cubs hit one and all the crowd did stand up and got a bit louder as the ball flew into the seats Sent from my SM-G920F using Operation Sports mobile app

Crowd reactions in the moment have lacked from every sports game that I've ever played. I've made some posts in the past on this, but I'd love to see reactions more like these:



Obviously these are all post-season HRs, so the reactions are even more intense, but there's a similarity in all of them. The fans all stand up as the ball approaches the fence and cheers grow. Then there's a crescendo as the ball lands and nearly everyone's hands go up in near unison. I haven't played a game yet that has captured moments like this realistically, but I'm holding out hope for the day one does.

[dran1984]

Quote: Originally Posted by Blzer

Sorry, couldn't help it.

Seeing this jut makes it all the more ridiculous that they don't have it the correct shade. Not even close.

[strawberryshortcake]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpup

Accidentally put this in the wrong thread a while ago: Need to mo cap the umpires. They should set up in the slot depending on left or right handed batters. They should not be right over top of the catcher. When you umpire you go "ear to ear" and "chin to head" with the catcher. For a rift handed batter, the umpires chin should be even or just about the helmet of the catcher and the umpires right ear should be even with the left ear of the catcher. It is opposite ears for the left handed batter. Yes, I am an umpire. This is a glaring issue for me. Probably no one else cares. The umpires uniforms are not anything like what they wear in the bigs. This is the black shirt: https://www.ump-attire.com/Baseball-...-Charcoal-Grey This is the blue shirt: https://www.ump-attire.com/Baseball-...lue-with-Black It looks like a pretty simple fix that would add a big touch to the game. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I don't really have any immediate thoughts on the presentation/commentary, but since someone else brought up umpire animations/mocap, I might as well piggy back off of it.

The catcher and umpire "animations" has always been concerning but I've never once mentioned it before, and one of the major reason why I feel the Show's animation is still lacking "life" or that "essence" if you will. In the world of animation, there's a concept referred to as "moving holds." Even if a person trying their hardest to stay completely still, they can't. There is always subtle movements. And unfortunately the catcher/umpire animations in MLB the Show are not implementing the important concept of moving holds, resulting in their animations looking almost life-less so to speak.

"Moving Holds"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKK68xeyLq0


Take notice of the catcher/umpire staying completely still (after the pitcher's leg kick) waiting for the pitch. It's as if the catcher/umpire went into "pause mode." I would consider this to be a legacy concern that I've always notice but never ever mentioned.


Take notice of the catcher/umpire having "sway" and "movement" (after the pitcher's leg kick) throughout the entire pitching sequence; subtle movements as they wait for the pitch. Also take notice of the catcher's glove movements.

[GoDucks1224]

Quote: Originally Posted by WhiteM5

Those of you overly concerned with the commentary or jerseys...are you seeing the forest through the trees?

How is being concerned that your favorite teams jerseys look completely off color something that's not important? Why is wanting your teams RED jerseys to not be maroon overly concerned? Correct jersey color is an essential part of capturing the realism of a baseball game. You literally see the jersey 99% of the time that you're playing that game. This video showed me that I won't be using the Nats ever in this game. Particularly because you can look at the advertisement for their New Era hat behind the batter and see the correct shade of red staring you in the face. Conveniently placed directly next to the batter to show you a side by side comparison of how awful the jersey color looks. This has been a recurring issue plaguing the game for years! Oranges, reds, yellows, all look off this year. They did fix the blue colors in the game and they look great. The Pirates black alternate is no longer faded. The Rockies brightened purple is in. But red jerseys still look way too dark, exceptions being the Indians throwback and the Twins alternate. Yellows are still dark and muddy. Oranges, particularly the Giants alternate, are way washed out and don't even look close to the bright, vibrant color of real life. Jerseys are just as much of an essential part of the baseball experience as stat tracking and players wind ups/batting stances.

As for commentary, Matt is stale at this point. He's still using lines from over 6 years ago. It's time for some updates. In that time period we've seen the NHL franchise completely overhaul their commentary, we've seen Madden overhaul their commentary twice, and for as much as people don't like Brandon Gaudin, the dynamic weekly updated commentary they did this year sounds great. It flows so smoothly. 2K is of course the pinnacle of commentary, and they always sound good. Even they upped the ante this year by adding 6 brand new commentators, and a new sideline reporter. SDS did great adding two new commentators this year, and I won't be judging them until I get the game myself (preliminarily, HR sounds surprisingly great and Plesac sounds like he's reading a script) but Matt sounds stale. I heard way more overly used, six year old lines in that stream than I did anything else. I just hope they do even more work on it next year.

Oh and.. Please fix jersey colors.. I'm begging ya.

I know this sounds like a long winded hate filled rant, but I truly love this franchise. It's my favorite of all the ones I just mentioned and it isn't even close. And I recognize how great this game has been over the years, and how great this edition looks. I've already pre-ordered the MVP edition. But like anything in life, it isn't perfect. And I think people rightfully offering their critique of it will only help the game be closer to perfection in the future.

PS: I love SDS. They've been great to us at OS, less than 1% of their sales, and I hope they continue to be in the future. I think they do a great job with this game and I understand they work incredibly hard. Nothing I have said is an attempt to slight, or discredit them in any way. I just want to see the game I spend so much time playing improved as much as possible.


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[adh5199]

Quote: Originally Posted by Blzer

Sorry, couldn't help it.

Damnit, between this and the skies, it's making me see things that I can't unsee. Why is color palette so hard to get right? They'll probably say it's the wrong color in the "style guide".


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[parky_17]

For people saying that Matty V has become stale and it's always the same lines every year. How many ways can they explain what is happening on the field in certain plays? For me it would be rather counterproductive to get him say slightly different things just to 'keep it fresh'
And even in 2k you hear Kevin Harlan saying the same lines every year. it's the way sports gaming commentary is going to be, if you play the game enough your going to hear the same lines repeated


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[BSUFAN]

I was a little frustrated / disappointed when trying to hear the commentary as they were talking over it a lot of it. Having said that we really didn't get a full games worth of them speaking and it's still a "Work In Progress "so I will save my judgement till it comes out. The game looks great and SDS has done a great job IMO. I am glad they saved the best for last RTTS stream on the 16th I can't wait to see all the goodies they have added for this year.