MLB The Show 17 - Behind the Scenes "Playing Out of Position" Changes

[Qb]

Like the changes, but what jumped out at me was the "low ability" cutoff being 30. From context, I assume this cutoff deals mainly with animations/branching available to the player. I'd love to hear more about it, as it leaves me wondering about how the fielding rating is scaled.

I don't feel like too many guys are that lowly rated, so is it intended more for out of position penalties, or would it better represent someone who is just a butcher in their primary position?

EDIT: So according to listed DD-available players on Daddy Leagues, it appears only pitchers have fielding ratings under 30. So that kinda answers my question, but leads to ask if it should be that way? Well known DH-only types David Ortiz & Billy Butler are at 45 & 40.

Again, I'd love to know more about the "low ability cutoff" and its intended impact on gameplay.

[nomo17k]

Indeed this is a nice improvement overall.

I don't know if this is something being adjusted but I still think the fielding attribute values should make it possible to replicate very poor fielding players at the lower end, especially in hardest defensive positions where desired skills are more unique demanding (SS, C, etc.)

I think the premise in interpreting the range of 0 - 99 has been that even the lowest end of spectrum corresponds to the ability of poor fielders in the "professional level," which is still pretty respectable.

Putting an outfielder as a catcher and making him have 0 fielding/blocking attribute is sensible, but if that 0 attribute still makes him play like a professional catcher with extremely poor defensive skills, he is still pretty respectable on an absolute scale of fielding standard. Instead, I think he should be near hopeless in things like effectively blocking pitches in the dirt.

Hope expanding the dynamic range of player skills has been given considerations!

[El_MaYiMbE]

I wish one of the primary positions was DH. I really hate seeing David Ortiz (I know he is retired now) being played to start at 1B over anyone, instead of DH, when the CPU makes the lineup.

In addition (and somewhat related) I wish that not only the penalty for playing out of position would be more realistic (as stated by Ramone as being the goal), but I wish the logic under which the CPU took those values into account would too.

Example: Hanley Ramirez should start at 1B over Ortiz 99.9% of the time. It would help if DH was available to select as a primary position, but it would also help if the CPU could just determine Hanley is a better fielding 1B (technically).

Alternatively, I think a depth chart would probably be a better option. Just because you a primary DH, but you have a secondary position, it doesn't mean that position should only be 80% of your fielding capability because its technically the ONLY fielding position being taken into account.

So maybe instead of a Primary DH option, there should be a team depth chart, where your primary position can be 1B lets say (100% of your fielding ability will be taken into consideration), but your #1 on the depth chart when it comes to DH. When the CPU then auto generates lineup it should take that into account. Allowing players to be in the depth chart at multiple positions should be allowed also.

[Bobhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by El_MaYiMbE

I wish one of the primary positions was DH. I really hate seeing David Ortiz (I know he is retired now) being played to start at 1B over anyone, instead of DH, when the CPU makes the lineup. In addition (and somewhat related) I wish that not only the penalty for playing out of position would be more realistic (as stated by Ramone as being the goal), but I wish the logic under which the CPU took those values into account would too. Example: Hanley Ramirez should start at 1B over Ortiz 99.9% of the time. It would help if DH was available to select as a primary position, but it would also help if the CPU could just determine Hanley is a better fielding 1B (technically). Alternatively, I think a depth chart would probably be a better option. Just because you a primary DH, but you have a secondary position, it doesn't mean that position should only be 80% of your fielding capability because its technically the ONLY fielding position being taken into account. So maybe instead of a Primary DH option, there should be a team depth chart, where your primary position can be 1B lets say (100% of your fielding ability will be taken into consideration), but your #1 on the depth chart when it comes to DH. When the CPU then auto generates lineup it should take that into account. Allowing players to be in the depth chart at multiple positions should be allowed also.

I actually prefer the first idea. A depth chart sounds amazing until trades and free agency stuff starts happening. At some point the CPU is going to be responsible for re-filling the depth chart, and then you'll be right back to David Ortiz as the regular 1B.

[El_MaYiMbE]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bobhead

I actually prefer the first idea. A depth chart sounds amazing until trades and free agency stuff starts happening. At some point the CPU is going to be responsible for re-filling the depth chart, and then you'll be right back to David Ortiz as the regular 1B.

Agree, so maybe the right thing to do is both!
There should be a DH position and depth charts.

[Russell_SCEA]

One of the programmers was kind enough to add a few new combinations into the editor today.

• 2B/3B/SS
• 2B/3B
• SS/3B
• OF/1B


P.S. this isn't an invitation to ask for more changes in this area.

[ShowTyme15]

Quote: Originally Posted by Russell_SCEA

One of the programmers was kind enough to add a few new combinations into the editor today. • 2B/3B/SS • 2B/3B • SS/3B • OF/1B P.S. this isn't an invitation to ask for more changes in this area.

[tree3five]

Quote: Originally Posted by Russell_SCEA

One of the programmers was kind enough to add a few new combinations into the editor today. •2B/3B/SS •2B/3B •SS/3B •OF/1B P.S. this isn't an invitation to ask for more changes in this area.

That is awesome. Thank you!