MLB The Show 17 - Behind the Scenes "Playing Out of Position" Changes

[tessl]

Quote: Originally Posted by TattooedEvil

I'd love to be able to play a prospect in the minors or spring at a position thats not his primary or secondary and be able to add it as his secondary after X amount of games. We all know a lot prospects changes positions 1,236 times. For instance. Christian Arroyo was drafted as a SS but he played 1/2 of last season at 3rd and now it will be his primary position....even now there's question as to if he may move to LF. So obviously if he's a 3B w/ SS in The Show i would love to play him like 1/3 of the season at LF to "equip" that position as another secondary.

I posted earlier in this thread about High Heat having a similar system. From memory which admittedly isn't perfect I think it was 3 years in the minors at a position to get a guy fully qualified.

The problem is it can be exploited and you can have unrealistic situations with a big slugger like Pujols at shortstop. Gold glove at first but complete failure at shortstop IRL. I suspect it would be very complicated to program and that's why it isn't in the game.

[Russell_SCEA]

Quote: Originally Posted by b22gamer

Ramone - I have seen in the past (In a fantasy draft Franchise Mode) where the roster logic seems broken for CPU-controlled teams. It assigns too many pitchers and not enough bench players to CPU controlled teams (25 man roster). I noticed this for the first time when I was playing against Pittsburgh and they had Jung-Ho Kang behind the plate. I guess there was an injury and they didnt have a backup Catcher on the active roster. This WAS a fantasy draft, just a coincidence that Kang was drafted by the Pirates.

What does this have to do with playing out of position?

[@legendm0de]

Quote: Originally Posted by Russell_SCEA

What does this have to do with playing out of position?

Well I did once run into a CPU managed David Ross starting CF. I'll edit post if I can find video of it. It's was the 2014 edition though so maybe it's irrelevant and that's why I never uttered such a blasphemy here.

edit: video coming shortly lol

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[WaitTilNextYear]

While we're on the "out of position" train, it's also probably worthwhile to mention that the cpu logic burns through the backup catcher too aggressively. I can't even count how many times I've been in a game where the cpu pinch hits or runs for their catcher (or double switches) and, having already burned the backup as a pinch hitter, then brings in a non-catcher to play catcher. It's far too common of an occurrence and it goes way too smoothly. Maybe someone can back me up on this with some video evidence?

If it is to continue this way, it would be good to really make it an adventure back there with more passed balls and such.

[MauerMorneau09]

Quote: Originally Posted by ShowTyme15

I like the new idea. I personally have always thought you guys should have sliders for each secondary positions in the editor for players. EXAMPLE: Lets say a player plays 1B as primary, but LF/RF are secondary positions it will look like this in the editor with sliders C - 0 1B - 99 2B - 0 3B - 0 SS - 0 LF - 77 CF - 5 RF - 80 A utility guy that plays all 4 infield spots and can play CF C - 0 1B - 55 2B - 75 3B -70 SS -82 LF - 15 CF - 75 RF - 10 These are just a few examples of what I'm trying to explain. Anything over 50% should show up as secondary positions on the player card. This actually helps when guys switch positions or try out new positions in real life. It allows us to adjust without having to change primary and secondary positions to make it work. A guy like Howie Kendrick has become somewhat of a utility guy. He can play 1B/2B/3B/LF 1B - 60 2B - 90 3B - 77 SS - 10 LF - 70 CF - 0 RF - 10

I would love to see this, I remember 2K used to do the exact same thing.

[YankeesMVP]

Hey Ramone,

Just wondering if the new system can help remove the way people would play guys at 1st base to keep them in the lineup. They do this because the chances of a defensive mishap is lower than putting that player in a different position.

Thanks!

Examples from games played against human opponent:

Ted Williams - 1B

Prime A-Rod - 1B

Nolan Arrenado at 1B because Machado was their 3B

[ninertravel]

Quote: Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear

While we're on the "out of position" train, it's also probably worthwhile to mention that the cpu logic burns through the backup catcher too aggressively. I can't even count how many times I've been in a game where the cpu pinch hits or runs for their catcher (or double switches) and, having already burned the backup as a pinch hitter, then brings in a non-catcher to play catcher. It's far too common of an occurrence and it goes way too smoothly. Maybe someone can back me up on this with some video evidence? If it is to continue this way, it would be good to really make it an adventure back there with more passed balls and such.

Yeah that is a totally different topic, the way the CPU Manager handles pitchers too is a MASSIVE problem. in a 1-0 game I have seem them panic in innings 6 with the pitchcount at 60 because a runner is on base, and then throw in a reviler straight away and panic then I know I am gonna win the game. even with the manager slider on full blast for CPU Hook still does it.. flipside to that if the score was 5-0 the CPU would keep the starter on for 150 pitches in the 9th with no energy. and they will use a burnt out closer in innings 9 EVERY SINGLE closed situation, maybe the CPU logic needs to be based on fatigue rather then the score in the game.

Anyway that's a total different topic. but perhaps the postion changes can fix this in fact I don't see the point of the closer position they should all just be RP and put one in the closer slot,

[41_Tom_Seaver_Fan]

THANK YOU, Ramone, for the 'inside look' at the e-mail. I LOVE information like that.

I will echo that seeing what their position attribute would be on-screen would be phoenomenal.

One other thing...will the "2nd" positions ever get expanded? There are some combos that simply are not there...for example, a LF who also plays 1B and CF/RF. As it is now, you have to chose
A) LF....1B
B) LF....OF
C) 1B...OF (making a LF primarily a 1B)

There is no way to have a primary of LF, and a secondary of an OF/1B combo. Same is true of a 2B who can also play SS/3B, you have to give him IF as secondary, adding 1B in there which he does not play.

"Custom secondary", like an OF who can also play 2B, 3B would be so cool. Doesn't happen often, but there have been cases. As of now, one of those gets a major hit penalty for the "left out" position. It can be done, because there are SCEA made players that have unique combos for secondary. Having that for us would be great.

THANKS again for the info!