The Next NBA Live Has Been Pushed to Fall 2017

[Mintsa]

Man.......Live doing Live.....

WTF, I'm guessing you never got this memo ?

[jfsolo]

I haven't bought Live since Live 2002, so one can see how I've felt about the series for the last 15 plus years, but I see this as a positive. A full two years to work on Live 18, all the mistakes they should have learned from, I actually feel relatively optimistic that they're going to release a solid game this fall.

[JBulls]

Wow so there's not gonna be a live 17 right? I guess the doubters were right even though people who were considered to be insiders were adamant the game was coming for sure

[WTF]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mintsa

Man.......Live doing Live..... WTF, I'm guessing you never got this memo ?

Not til it came down the pipeline. Ultimately, I think it is a good decision. Not because the game wasn't fun and a good game. I think they were truly close Gameplay wise to figuring it out. But without a complete experience, I think it would have suffered again.

On one hand, I wish their original plan would have held true, because I'm interested in hearing everyone's thoughts on the direction of the game and more importantly, the gameplay. But on the other hand, if it's not a full fledged NBA Sim, with all of the features that we've come to expect, then I think it's the right move.

I just hope that they take the suggestions and criticisms to heart and really implement the things that I, and a few others, really hammered them on.

I can say this, I was VERY vocal and adamant that they implement the things that I know OUR community wants.

[Crunky]

I heard a rumor that there are Womens All Star teams in NBA Live 18, that's 1 good news hopefully we get a full-fledged out WNBA expierence to go along with that since it's delayed.

[noshun]

Quote: Originally Posted by WTF

Not til it came down the pipeline. Ultimately, I think it is a good decision. Not because the game wasn't fun and a good game. I think they were truly close Gameplay wise to figuring it out. But without a complete experience, I think it would have suffered again. On one hand, I wish their original plan would have held true, because I'm interested in hearing everyone's thoughts on the direction of the game and more importantly, the gameplay. But on the other hand, if it's not a full fledged NBA Sim, with all of the features that we've come to expect, then I think it's the right move. I just hope that they take the suggestions and criticisms to heart and really implement the things that I, and a few others, really hammered them on. I can say this, I was VERY vocal and adamant that they implement the things that I know OUR community wants.

Will, this nonsense has been going on since I was QA on Live man. Its doesn't matter which devs you have in place, they're just playing musical chairs with the same dang issues/complaints. I'm talking all the way back to when Live was in Burnaby BC. I used to live in North Van. Had buddies working there, invited me there & used to tell me stuff all the time, knowing that I was going into game ani/design (Capilano/DigiP).
It doesn't matter the (our)input, they're going to do it their way, and sprinkle in buzzwords for renamed tech from the past, call it new, etc.. You've seen my letter to EA, and now reading that even you had to be adamant in 2016 about things the community wants is a slap in the face. What was the purpose of these yearly surveys and questionnaires if you even have to do that in the present? Its like they don't get it.
Wouldn't surprise me that we'll just be waiting sometime years from now for Sean Obrien Jr's apology letter, and Andrew Wilson II talking about EA's 2nd generation of higher up saying that 2020 version of Live will be the fully fledged version that Live 17/18 was supposed to be. How in the world do you have a delay to a delay? That's why I don't buy they're products new. Get them used, if that. Live's been a 2nd rate NBA game to me I can only stomach the demos. Outside of Live 10 which was decent, it took a 2k guy to get them somewhat on track, but they go right back to derailing themselves...

They need new GC's too. They need to find people who will sit down and point the issues out like what you, myself and a few hardcore others have done. Don't get these yes men. When you read their blogs and vlogs, they seem bewildered to the reactions of gamers. That right there tells you they don't get it, and the GC's(SLA's) aren't helping. Just a mess of a franchise man, I haven't seen anything like this in all my years of gaming.

[strawberryshortcake]

Quote: Originally Posted by WTF

Not til it came down the pipeline. Ultimately, I think it is a good decision. Not because the game wasn't fun and a good game. I think they were truly close Gameplay wise to figuring it out. But without a complete experience, I think it would have suffered again. On one hand, I wish their original plan would have held true, because I'm interested in hearing everyone's thoughts on the direction of the game and more importantly, the gameplay. But on the other hand, if it's not a full fledged NBA Sim, with all of the features that we've come to expect, then I think it's the right move. I just hope that they take the suggestions and criticisms to heart and really implement the things that I, and a few others, really hammered them on. I can say this, I was VERY vocal and adamant that they implement the things that I know OUR community wants.

Side track curiosity.

"People" seem to always rag on Live's "robotic animation." Have they considered bringing in "animation specialists" (i.e. Pixar, Disney, Dreamworks, recent 3D animation student graduates, etc.) to oversee their works in progress or actually lead the animation process. Will they bring in outsiders to critique their current works in progress. The same individuals staring at the same screen over and over on a daily might not see "the heart of the problem." Even a simple tweak could completely inject life into the project.

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results” - Albert Einstein.

[WTF]

Quote: Originally Posted by noshun

Will, this nonsense has been going on since I was QA on Live man. Its doesn't matter which devs you have in place, they're just playing musical chairs with the same dang issues/complaints. I'm talking all the way back to when Live was in Burnaby BC. I used to live in North Van. Had buddies working there, invited me there & used to tell me stuff all the time, knowing that I was going into game ani/design (Capilano/DigiP). It doesn't matter the (our)input, they're going to do it their way, and sprinkle in buzzwords for renamed tech from the past, call it new, etc.. You've seen my letter to EA, and now reading that even you had to be adamant in 2016 about things the community wants is a slap in the face. What was the purpose of these yearly surveys and questionnaires if you even have to do that in the present? Its like they don't get it. Wouldn't surprise me that we'll just be waiting sometime years from now for Sean Obrien Jr's apology letter, and Andrew Wilson II talking about EA's 2nd generation of higher up saying that 2020 version of Live will be the fully fledged version that Live 17/18 was supposed to be. How in the world do you have a delay to a delay? That's why I don't buy they're products new. Get them used, if that. Live's been a 2nd rate NBA game to me I can only stomach the demos. Outside of Live 10 which was decent, it took a 2k guy to get them somewhat on track, but they go right back to derailing themselves... They need new GC's too. They need to find people who will sit down and point the issues out like what you, myself and a few hardcore others have done. Don't get these yes men. When you read their blogs and vlogs, they seem bewildered to the reactions of gamers. That right there tells you they don't get it, and the GC's(SLA's) aren't helping. Just a mess of a franchise man, I haven't seen anything like this in all my years of gaming.

I get it. I still have your letter and info. It's funny, I just read it the other day. I know you and I are on the same page. I've been more vocal than ever this year and there was no doubt in my mind that at least my voice was heard.

I do agree also on needing some fresh eyes, and not yes men. That's the only way we're going to advance this title, is through open, honest and constructive feedback and criticism.

The new things that were in the game were far from buzz words, or rebranded ideas. Those are the things that I was truly excited about. I'm sure there would have been some marketing buzzwords thrown at them, but I'll assure you that it wasn't rehashed features or renamed to bring excitement.

I've talked to several GC since this was announced and we're all pretty much on the same page. I wish you all could play with the new things in place, that way we could have an open discussion about it.

I'm hopeful that they'll land on solid footing with the extra time, and that the feedback was listened to. If not, I'll gracefully bow out .