MLB The Show 17 Trailer, Retro Mode Details Revealed

[bronxbombers21325]

Quote: Originally Posted by xlatinoheatx

[/i] Since you obviously liked that comment to specifically quote it, let me please respond to that comment and the straw man nature of it. We do not NEED full classic teams. You don't have to license every player to ever play the game of baseball. We NEVER had full classic teams. When past games had classic teams, they didn't feature licensed players. Heres what they DID feature. Accurate uniforms, logos, jerseys, stadiums, and ratings. We ALWAYS had to create the players ourselves. At the time, we had better TOOLS. Heck, give us a Creation Suite like other next gen sports titles have, and I'm guessing the community will do the job themselves. Again, Retro Mode does not need classic teams with licensed 40 man rosters to be a success. Instead: Give us all the retro stuff we COULD have. That games did for over a decade. It was at one time a standard: Retro Jerseys, Stadiums, Presentation. All Star Baseball, MVP Baseball, MLB 2K. All games featured these things. Give us league customization. That won't cost a dime. We can purchase the retro DLC players available, and create the ones remaining that we need. Give the retro content a context that its worth playing in. Give us the tools ,and we will pay you back tenfold.

Until we can finally get past the limited uniform slots, we will never be able to have all the tools necessary to do this sadly. I'm very shocked that this deep into the new gen systems we are still dealing with this.

[capa]

Quote: Originally Posted by xlatinoheatx

[/i] Since you obviously liked that comment to specifically quote it, let me please respond to that comment and the straw man nature of it. We do not NEED full classic teams. You don't have to license every player to ever play the game of baseball. We NEVER had full classic teams. When past games had classic teams, they didn't feature licensed players. Heres what they DID feature. Accurate uniforms, logos, jerseys, stadiums, and ratings. We ALWAYS had to create the players ourselves. At the time, we had better TOOLS. Heck, give us a Creation Suite like other next gen sports titles have, and I'm guessing the community will do the job themselves. Again, Retro Mode does not need classic teams with licensed 40 man rosters to be a success. Instead: Give us all the retro stuff we COULD have. That games did for over a decade. It was at one time a standard: Retro Jerseys, Stadiums, Presentation. All Star Baseball, MVP Baseball, MLB 2K. All games featured these things. Give us league customization. That won't cost a dime. We can purchase the retro DLC players available, and create the ones remaining that we need. Give the retro content a context that its worth playing in. Give us the tools ,and we will pay you back tenfold.

First of all, I am a classic team junkie going back to rosters I did in the 1980's and 90's for a variety of games...2K5 being the most notable. However, I did do many teams for various baseball games as well.

Listen...I am all in for having as much retro/classic stuff as possible. Uniforms, stadiums, etc. That's a no brainer for me. Customizable league set ups as well. Love it. Wish we had it. I'd never put the controller down.

However, SDS can not, and will not, add some of these things because it does not offer them a satisfactory ROI. For example, for some old time stadiums they have to now pay for a license (Ebbets Field is an example). In addition, to do them right, they need the blueprints and schematics so they can reproduce. That is also money out the door. How many people buy the game for these additions? Not enough to recoup the investment I would bet. I could be wrong.

DLC chargeable content? Possible. But as of now SDS has determined that they do not want to go this route and I am sure there are financial implications driving that as well.

I guess what I am saying is, and I hate to admit this, that there is just not enough interest or support for what we classic team guys really want in the game to satisfy our desires. Too many man-hours would need to be spent pulling these things together without a real business case where you could justify the expense and quantify the additional revenue.

That's my opinion. Ramone may "thumbs down" this post. I obviously do not know the ins and outs. I am only stating what I believe could be some of the considerations they have to take into account and why we have not seen as much attention to classic teams as you have outlined. They are obviously dipping their toes into that water this year - to what extent we don't know yet. But I think it will be a long way from what you outlined, and what I would love to see.

C

[Turbojugend]

Quote: Originally Posted by capa

However, SDS can not, and will not, add some of these things because it does not offer them a satisfactory ROI. For example, for some old time stadiums they have to now pay for a license (Ebbets Field is an example). In addition, to do them right, they need the blueprints and schematics so they can reproduce. That is also money out the door. How many people buy the game for these additions? Not enough to recoup the investment I would bet. I could be wrong.

But SDS did add classic stadiums on PS4, even after they initially said there wasn't enough interest. Granted those stadiums already existed on PS3, but they were old builds that had to be rebuilt from the ground up. Quite a bit of work for something that doesn't offer a high ROI.

I guess what I'm saying is that SDS is capable of surprising us with any from here 'til March. Instead of focusing on what may not be included, it's more productive (and more fun!) to speculate what may be included. Personally, I'm hoping for a great creation suite until it's confirmed or de-confirmed.

[Lovesports]

Bottom line, if they don't finally upgrade the player models and improve player graphics I am ready to stop playing this game. I'm just about ready to boycott this game like I did with madden back in 2014. We've had the same 3 player body types since the PS3...that's pathetic. The small changes will no longer justify a $60 purchase. If you can't make significant changes than don't release the game every year. I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I'm ok boycotting this game alone. They'll have to earn my money. I'm sorry for going off but I sense that the lack of competition is hurting this franchise.

[capa]

Quote: Originally Posted by Turbojugend

But SDS did add classic stadiums on PS4, even after they initially said there wasn't enough interest. Granted those stadiums already existed on PS3, but they were old builds that had to be rebuilt from the ground up. Quite a bit of work for something that doesn't offer a high ROI. I guess what I'm saying is that SDS is capable of surprising us with any from here 'til March. Instead of focusing on what may not be included, it's more productive (and more fun!) to speculate what may be included. Personally, I'm hoping for a great creation suite until it's confirmed or de-confirmed.

That is true...and as you said for the existing stadiums (not all) that they had on the PS3. There was an investment in time and money for this but they must have determined it was worth it for the first roll out of the PS4 game.

They are adding a few each year, but then again, removing others. Revolving door syndrome. I hope they do surprise us and that everything I wrote in my post is absolutely wrong.

I hope so...but not betting the mortgage payment.

C

[Bullit]

Quote: Originally Posted by Lovesports

Bottom line, if they don't finally upgrade the player models and improve player graphics I am ready to stop playing this game. I'm just about ready to boycott this game like I did with madden back in 2014. We've had the same 3 player body types since the PS3...that's pathetic. The small changes will no longer justify a $60 purchase. If you can't make significant changes than don't release the game every year. I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I'm ok boycotting this game alone. They'll have to earn my money. I'm sorry for going off but I sense that the lack of competition is hurting this franchise.

This is just something I personally don't understand. I am not attacking your decision to stop buying/boycotting this game, its your choice. What I don't understand how player models mean that much that you would stop playing what I consider to be one of the better Baseball games ever made. Now we all know I am a Show "fanboy" and I defend them a bit more than I probably should. But I just don't see the player models being that big of a detriment to the game as whole. Obviously you feel this way and you have every right to your feelings and opinion, I just don't get it.

[jeffy777]

I really hope online play is smooth and as lag free as possible this year. This is something I've always disliked about the game. I still have 14 and it was basically unplayable online so I gave up after a few games and just played offline, which was a drag. Was 16 better in this regard?

[baseballsim]

Quote: Originally Posted by jeffy777

I really hope online play is smooth and as lag free as possible this year. This is something I've always disliked about the game. I still have 14 and it was basically unplayable online so I gave up after a few games and just played offline, which was a drag. Was 16 better in this regard?

Yes a lot better.

Hope Retro mode can be played h2h. Was also hoping no bunting in retro mode but was told that will not be the case. Didn't realize bunting existed in video games back then.