MLB The Show 17 Trailer, Retro Mode Details Revealed

[Turbojugend]

Quote: Originally Posted by Blzer

We should actually try our own. We wrote some things here and there, but try and point out as many "little things" as possible that you think others missed.

If it's anything like last year, nearly every clip in that trailer has a purpose. For instance, I think we can all safely assume more player/manager interaction in RttS, but those liners down the first and third baselines might indicate an emphasis on ball physics, the super-close-ups on helmets and jersey logos could point to some reworked detail, lighting, etc.

Then again, I could be reading way too much into it and it's just another game trailer. But somehow I doubt it.

[Blzer]

Quote: Originally Posted by Turbojugend

If it's anything like last year, nearly every clip in that trailer has a purpose. For instance, I think we can all safely assume more player/manager interaction in RttS, but those liners down the first and third baselines might indicate an emphasis on ball physics, the super-close-ups on helmets and jersey logos could point to some reworked detail, lighting, etc. Then again, I could be reading way too much into it and it's just another game trailer. But somehow I doubt it.

Nope, you're spot on. Every small thing you saw was something new "added." Some were new specific animations/celebrations, some were legendary players and the like, others were classic stadiums, and of course Retro mode... then as you said, there were new ball physics and RttS interactions, and new attention to detail such as New Balance cleats, writing on helmets, etc.

There still might be new things here and there outside of that, but I guess we may have to wait for the rewind.

[Bobhead]

Quote: Originally Posted by breakfastcat

To be honest, outside of the new legends and old Yankee Stadium, this trailer could have been made in MLB 16 and I wouldn't have noticed.

Trailers usually are made using old builds. You can't just take an unfinished thing and make a polished trailer out of it. You typically have two choices:

A) use up valuable time taking your unfinished work-in-progress build and turning it into a "mostly-finished" thing that can run smoothly enough for you to make a trailer out of it. This is basically like making a mini video game. You have to do programming you wouldn't otherwise do, and make changes you would not otherwise make, just to get the build "trailer-ready". It's like taking your prototype of a new car and fixing it up so it can be driven in a commercial.

B) find a build that has already had (A) done to it, which can mean last year's game, or it can mean some build from like 2 months ago, or who knows what. It's like taking a car you already made and just demoing that.

Note that since different trailers show different things, you end up facing this dilemma multiple times, pretty much for every type of segment of every trailer.

Option A typically can take anywhere from a week to several weeks (not counting the actual time it takes to make the trailer)
Option B takes like an hour (again, not including actual production time)

Wanna guess which option gets used more often?

[HypoLuxa13]

Quote: Originally Posted by Bobhead

Trailers usually are made using old builds. You can't just take an unfinished thing and make a polished trailer out of it. You typically have two choices: A) use up valuable time taking your unfinished work-in-progress build and turning it into a "mostly-finished" thing that can run smoothly enough for you to make a trailer out of it. This is basically like making a mini video game. You have to do programming you wouldn't otherwise do, and make changes you would not otherwise make, just to get the build "trailer-ready". It's like taking your prototype of a new car and fixing it up so it can be driven in a commercial. B) find a build that has already had (A) done to it, which can mean last year's game, or it can mean some build from like 2 months ago, or who knows what. It's like taking a car you already made and just demoing that. Note that since different trailers show different things, you end up facing this dilemma multiple times, pretty much for every type of segment of every trailer. Option A typically can take anywhere from a week to several weeks (not counting the actual time it takes to make the trailer) Option B takes like an hour (again, not including actual production time) Wanna guess which option gets used more often?

Exactly. For example, when did they start teasing gameplay vids with PBR turned on prior to MLB 16? Long, long after the first trailers were released. In fact, not until they got well into the developer blogs and twitch streams did they actually start showing off PBR. People seem to think that a quick teaser that comes out more than 3 months before the game's release is somehow representative of a finished product.

Considering the development cycle on yearly sports games is about 9 months, they still have ~30% of their dev cycle to go before they even go gold.

[Culture Rot]

Quote:

Introducing “Retro Mode,” a retro gameplay experience that pays homage to the classic baseball games many of us grew up playing. Retro Mode allows you to move the pitcher across the pitcher’s rubber and move around the batter’s box, with on-screen displays, an old school soundtrack, sound effects, and a throwback pause menu

A THROWBACK PAUSE MENU?

Are you kidding me? please, tell me this is just the beginning of the feature reveal for this mode.

[Sip_16]

Quote: Originally Posted by buck135

Thank you. The last two years have been roster updates. The addition of Griffey and Retro Mode doesn’t excite the die hard fans. The same one minute trailer highlighting new commentary and AI fixes instead would have people lining up to buy it.

You say that tho like its a fact, maybe in these forums yes you are right, but this community is minuscule compared to the number of the show players. I am not saying you are wrong but there is really no way of knowing. I could be wrong but haven't the sales numbers increased each year over the past few? I would think they have more insight on it.

I would rather see a trailer with what you were saying too, but I think sometimes here people don't see the bigger picture, the game i want is probably different from you want even if its similar in a lot of ways and thats just between 2 people.

[Bullit]

I just love the way folks consider their opinions facts and that anybody with a different opinion is wrong. This seems to works on both sides of this argument. I am not going to get in the middle of this or take sides. But I will say this and I hope it is taken to heart by everyone in this thread on the forums in general.

Enough is Enough!! If you have an opinion, whether it differs from anyone elses then express it in a respectable, and mature form and move on. Discussioins are always welcome but there is so little actual talking going on its ridiculous. All of this trolling( on both sides) stops now. I am sure Millennium will be along soon with the Ban Hammer speech, which I would like to point out that The Show forum used to be the only one to not get this post. So lets stay on topic and keep it civil.

Back on topic. The one thing I noticed that I have not seen anybody mention is that this 1 minute video everybody is so in an uproar about is that it seems to start in the middle of the presentation? When it fades in the commentary is already talking about features in RTTS. In my opinion, if this is the case, that we will probably get the full video in a week or so. Maybe a Christmas present from our friend in San Diego?

[Spokker]

Quote: Originally Posted by HypoLuxa13

Exactly. For example, when did they start teasing gameplay vids with PBR turned on prior to MLB 16? Long, long after the first trailers were released. In fact, not until they got well into the developer blogs and twitch streams did they actually start showing off PBR. People seem to think that a quick teaser that comes out more than 3 months before the game's release is somehow representative of a finished product.

While it's true that they rolled out PBR gradually last year, it did not fundamentally change the look of the game from the initial trailer to release. PBR was used in key spots through stadiums, such as the rocks at Angel Stadium. But the basic elements, from player models to grass to whatever, were not substantially different.

I expect the game to look better at release, but those who would like better player models and a completely next-gen look are probably not going to see it. It could be worse though. In my experience the graphics in games gets worse from reveal to release.

All I want is better performance on PS4 Pro.