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[fistofrage]

Quote: Originally Posted by booker21

Same with mostly all sliders I could say. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I really wonder how much attention the sliders get. I assume they test the game at all-pro default. The sliders seem to be years and years of code stacked on top of each other.

In Madden 2016 the kicker would shank everything with FGA under 30. Same thing in 2017 despite the fact the kick meter had drastically changed. So it looks like you have an unchanged slider yet an entirely different mechanic.

So as they add features to blocking, catching, throwing, etc, if the sliders aren't reformulated, who knows how they will perform.

The roughing the QB slider looks like a binary code. At 50, no penalties at 51 way too many.

The fumble slider in the description says it controls the amount of fumbles when it appears to be the entire running back ability slider. It doesn't make the running backs and wrs fumble any more frequently from what I can tell. In all my games since the last tuner and patch its near non-existant. But putting it to 0 doesn't cause an abnormal amount of fumbles, but makes the run game extremely hard unless you lower tackling.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by fistofrage

I really wonder how much attention the sliders get. I assume they test the game at all-pro default. The sliders seem to be years and years of code stacked on top of each other. In Madden 2016 the kicker would shank everything with FGA under 30. Same thing in 2017 despite the fact the kick meter had drastically changed. So it looks like you have an unchanged slider yet an entirely different mechanic. So as they add features to blocking, catching, throwing, etc, if the sliders aren't reformulated, who knows how they will perform. The roughing the QB slider looks like a binary code. At 50, no penalties at 51 way too many. The fumble slider in the description says it controls the amount of fumbles when it appears to be the entire running back ability slider. It doesn't make the running backs and wrs fumble any more frequently from what I can tell. In all my games since the last tuner and patch its near non-existant. But putting it to 0 doesn't cause an abnormal amount of fumbles, but makes the run game extremely hard unless you lower tackling.

Fist, FYI, I think you need to increase the fumbles slider, if you want more fumbles, not lower it. ie 51 and above, but I'm still not sure it works either way.

[gman2774]

Quote: Originally Posted by LionsFanNJ

Post patch my defense is playing both the pass and run MUCH better (5 game default all pro sample). Things I noticed most were lbs reacting to the run and gap assignments better, and DBs are finally reacting to routes. Before outs and comebacks would be automatic no matter who is the coverage man. Now they make plays on the ball. Also, seems the CPU are throwing different routes instead of pretending to be Jason Campbell. When he had time against me Mariota was throwing posts, digs, corners and other intermediate routes against me. Could be an outlier though. Also, power backs are fighting for yards again in my game play. Even had a good run where Gurley broke two tackles for a good 45 yard td.

I've noticed the same thing. Eddie Lacey is very tough for the CPU defenders to bring down. Love that. Playing all pro default the CPU running game has been weak vs my Packer D. Much weaker post patch. Are u seeing the same thing? I only have small sample size so far. Also, are u playing default auto subs as well? Meaning 60/80 in the main menu and 50/49 in CFM? I see a huge difference in gameplay when using default auto subs vs changing CFM auto subs to 60/80 to match main menu auto subs.

[fistofrage]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Fist, FYI, I think you need to increase the fumbles slider, if you want more fumbles, not lower it. ie 51 and above, but I'm still not sure it works either way.

Pretty sure it the lower it is its supposed to be the higher the chance. In theory its supposed to reduce the ballcarriers carry ability.

But its directly tied to broken tackles too. So if you want broken tackles and no fumbles, raise it. If you want no broken tackles and fumbles, lower it.

Unfortunately its not just a true fumble occurrence slider. There is a lot of code under the hood of that slider and the QB accuracy slider.

[SECElit3]

Quote: Originally Posted by fistofrage

Pretty sure it the lower it is its supposed to be the higher the chance. In theory its supposed to reduce the ballcarriers carry ability. But its directly tied to broken tackles too. So if you want broken tackles and no fumbles, raise it. If you want no broken tackles and fumbles, lower it. Unfortunately its not just a true fumble occurrence slider. There is a lot of code under the hood of that slider and the QB accuracy slider.

That's correct Fist. Lowering the fumble slider is supposed to increase the chance of a fumble occurring. Take caution, that this is believed to be a RB ability slider as well.


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[charter04]

We could go all day and it won't change the game or a persons perception of the game. I think the discussion starts to get off the rails when guys use feel over fact constantly but, that's just me. The point is you either like or don't like the patch or things that get changed.

The answer IMO is for Madden to do like NHL has and let the user choose what version of the game they want to play.

If you love the game as it was for EA access and don't want any tuners patches or you like it somewhere else then let the gamer choose it.

That is they only way it will work.

If a person thinks that how they like the game trumps any other opinion of how another person likes the game then I have a problem with that.

I know I'm not the only customer EA has. I'm a sim gamer but, I'm also a online one. I play in sim online leagues. I also play online ranked some and DC's and MUT occasionally.

My opinion shouldn't be more important to EA than the Online guys who are more in the Gibs and Farls crowd. We both are passionate and both groups play the game year round.

So give us options. Let us choose what patch or tuner to use. Also include play style options either by giving us working sliders and many sliders. To create a true simulation game that some want or a more completive experience others want.

In my opinion their current model is trying to make too many groups happy and it just isn't possible.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by fistofrage

Pretty sure it the lower it is its supposed to be the higher the chance. In theory its supposed to reduce the ballcarriers carry ability. But its directly tied to broken tackles too. So if you want broken tackles and no fumbles, raise it. If you want no broken tackles and fumbles, lower it. Unfortunately its not just a true fumble occurrence slider. There is a lot of code under the hood of that slider and the QB accuracy slider.

Yeah, you are correct, sorry about that, lowering does increase the chance of fumbles.

[charter04]

Quote: Originally Posted by fistofrage

Pretty sure it the lower it is its supposed to be the higher the chance. In theory its supposed to reduce the ballcarriers carry ability. But its directly tied to broken tackles too. So if you want broken tackles and no fumbles, raise it. If you want no broken tackles and fumbles, lower it. Unfortunately its not just a true fumble occurrence slider. There is a lot of code under the hood of that slider and the QB accuracy slider.

Yes. In the descriptions of the sliders themselves in the game it says that lowering it will cause more fumbles.

I agree it doesn't work very well.