Peter Moore on NCAA Football, "We'll Be Back"

[kehlis]

Quote: Originally Posted by redsox4evur

The NCAA thinks it worth saving. So, college athletes aren't getting paid anytime soon. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

No they don't, the NCAA doesn't care at all about "amateur status" as it has no bearing to them whatsoever.

[redsox4evur]

Quote: Originally Posted by kehlis

No they don't, the NCAA doesn't care at all about "amateur status" as it has no bearing to them whatsoever.

Then why do they have rules where students can't get any money for anything they do in college? And why are they so hesitant to pay players?

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[fballturkey]

Quote: Originally Posted by redsox4evur

Then why do they have rules where students can't get any money for anything they do in college? And why are they so hesitant to pay players? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The second one is pretty easy to answer. If you had a bunch of people working for you and making you money and they made a little bit of money (and some even did it for free) how eager would you be to start paying them more?

The first part is trickier but I've always assumed it was part of the charade that makes the second part (not splitting the money with them directly) seem more consistent. There are alternate explinations that could be made though, like the fact that players going to one school versus another due to getting paid more is something that would probably hurt college football's (completely made up) image and allowing boosters to sign them to endorsement deals and the like would make that inevitable.

I mean, it's already inevitable, but it'd make it obvious.

[kehlis]

Quote: Originally Posted by redsox4evur

Then why do they have rules where students can't get any money for anything they do in college? And why are they so hesitant to pay players? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

First, student/athletes do get money, I was handed cash for every away trip as a d3 baseball player at a small school for every away trip as a stipend. If I didn't need to use it that cash went straight into my pocket.

And I never said they were hesitant to pay players, I replied to your comment that they care about "amateur status."

Like anything in life, it's about money. If student/athletes are given a cut of any sort then they are losing some of their income.

My response to you was about the fact that they could care less about the integrity of amateur status.

[itsbigmike]

If the NCAA cares that much about "amateur status" why do they allow olympians to make money while being in college and it not impacting their amateur status?

Link.

Some of them are students making monthly incomes while training for the olympics and they get the money they make during the olympics as well.

[tessl]

Quote: Originally Posted by fballturkey

You're assuming the amateur thing in college sports is worth saving. To a degree I don't think it is, and I think it was already destroyed as soon as recruiting for sports (and especially relaxing admissions criteria for athletes) began. Now we've got a worst of both worlds where the NCAA, formerly EA, and some schools are making lots of money while the people responsible for that money being made aren't compensated at all. I'm not necessarily arguing for paying the athletes directly, but I do think it's extremely unfair to tell them "we're going to make millions off of jerseys with your number, selling TV contracts to watch you play, ticket sales, etc but you're not allowed to accept a couple thousand (or hundred) for a videogame maker to put you in a game." Why not?

If you look at the bottom line of most university athletic department budgets they don't make a big profit. Some lose money. The compensation comes in the form of things other than a paycheck.

I live in CoMO and I've been to the Missouri football facilities. The football players are pampered beyond anything I could have dreamed of at their age. Housing, meals, tuition, supplements personal trainers, state of the art facilities, every thing anybody could ask for. If they have any smarts they should end up with a solid degree from a major university which they can use to make a lot of money.

If you took all those benefits away and gave them $50,000 dollars a year they would quickly discover they were better off with the benefits and no paycheck.

[redsox4evur]

Quote: Originally Posted by tessl

If you look at the bottom line of most university athletic department budgets they don't make a big profit. Some lose money. The compensation comes in the form of things other than a paycheck. I live in CoMO and I've been to the Missouri football facilities. The football players are pampered beyond anything I could have dreamed of at their age. Housing, meals, tuition, supplements personal trainers, state of the art facilities, every thing anybody could ask for. If they have any smarts they should end up with a solid degree from a major university which they can use to make a lot of money. If you took all those benefits away and gave them $50,000 dollars a year they would quickly discover they were better off with the benefits and no paycheck.

Some??? 90% of the college athletic departments lose money. I think only 12 college athletic departments actually make money.


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[itsbigmike]

Quote: Originally Posted by tessl

If you look at the bottom line of most university athletic department budgets they don't make a big profit. Some lose money. The compensation comes in the form of things other than a paycheck. I live in CoMO and I've been to the Missouri football facilities. The football players are pampered beyond anything I could have dreamed of at their age. Housing, meals, tuition, supplements personal trainers, state of the art facilities, every thing anybody could ask for. If they have any smarts they should end up with a solid degree from a major university which they can use to make a lot of money. If you took all those benefits away and gave them $50,000 dollars a year they would quickly discover they were better off with the benefits and no paycheck.

No one is ever better off with less money. And the problem with them "getting a solid degree from a major university" is that many universities push players into terrible degrees that are easy or their coursework is lightened or the degrees just plain don't matter. And in a time when the business world is shift away from "do you have a four-year degree?" to "do you have a master's degree?", it's a big, big problem to just assume that getting the degree is automatically going to make them "a lot of money."