PES 2017 Demo Available on Xbox One, PS4, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

[papinho81]

I rejoin your on the defense positioning issue Matt, it simply doesn't feels natural.

I have a short video showing a very bad example of defending behavior from the CPU on super star. Athletico had a corner kick and I am counter attacking. The two athletico CB behaved like complete nuts.

https://www.twitch.tv/papinho811/v/86208316

The quality of the video is quite poor I am sorry but good enough to show the bad defending behaviour.

I think the problem is exactly due to what your saying Matt, defense try to mark their man and doing so they follow Giroud until they reach the penalty area.

It seems to me that the compression decompression issue is less apparent on super star than on pro simply because the teams seems more compact through out the pitch.

Wired enough, I do find super star easier than pro. Its seems easier to keep possession but also to steel the from the cpu. It is likely a side effect of the compression of the pitch.

Excepts that defending positioning and sometimes the "advanced" though ball that do not feel completely manual but also sometime random in term of power I am really enjoying playing the demo.

It is too bad this game has no slider to help the CB meeting the ST and sorting the marking thing, but overall for me the good sides of this game largely overshadow the mentioned issues. It would be great if it could be fixed, but I feel like I could live with it. This demo is so superior to fifa 16 in MANY areas that EA will have to come with something special to earn my 70 bocks.

[Josam27o7]

Quote: Originally Posted by Matt10

Goodness though, guys. The space between the defensive line and attackers is starting to get to me. Defenders, including CB's, go past the halfway line IRL, they do not attack and defend at the same time - yet this is what happens in PES 17 demo. From a positional standpoint, I'm a bit tired of the demo. From pure enjoyment of the ball physics, and player interactions, it makes me want to play more. In the end, I think it's time to put it down and just wait for the full version in a couple weeks.

Don't you think that they design it that way for multiplayer so the user has some outlet and doesn't feel consistently under siege. When playing the CPU you can close the space when the pass comes if you go quickly when it auto-switches. So it's not that bad.

Btw, if you play on superstar difficulty the space between the d-line and attackers isn't horrible because your midfielders push lower and eat the space so it's hard to get passes in.

Professional difficulty, from a cpu attacking standpoint is too easy.

[C.J.S.]

7 0 10 camera angle manual passing is the magic formula for me.. You know i think Konami painted a beautiful picture but in order to see it default camera is to far away. You can defend and pass better at 7 0 10 camera...plus you'll enjoy the fighting for the ball more..

Trying to hold the lead...

[L4velle]

Can't decide on default speed or -1. Will keep doing a Ranieri until I'm happy.

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[BL8001]

You know how in practice mode you can drag the ball around to where you want to practice a free kick?

One day a game will let us do that on goal kicks.

Noticed in your vid how the keeper had the ball just inside the corner of the goal box. Fifa has it in the same place.

Small thing maybe, but each game has the mechanic already in place to give us the freedom.

[KG]

I'm split on this. On one hand I can def see the issue, especially in the Boca/River example but in the Arsenal (Ramsey) clip that's how I would want to defend and how Arsenal does a lot with Per vs teams that don't offer much by the way of counter-attack. What's throwing it off is that it's Ramsey, a player who loves getting forward as opposed to Coq who is the protection. To me at least, that's actually good dual CDM play minus the obvious role reversal.

I think it should all be tactics based instead of hard-coded to do one thing over the other. For instance:

Pep at Bayern and now City play a different variation of tiki taka than Barca. Both clubs use (used in Bayern's case) a 4-3-3 and when in possession. Bayern/City push their FBs in (called "False Fullbacks" in PES 2017 with their wingers hugging the touch-line. Fernandhino and Xabi dropped in between the CBs, much like Ramsey to offer protection and the outlet for a back-pass or to spray balls to the flanks. Barca do the opposite with the FB's getting wide and Messi/Neymar coming in more centrally, working the triangles with quick (insane) interchanges.

When they lose possession it often appears that they're SOL BUT they push so many players up field that they simply swarm the opposition from playing out and win so many balls up the field (something represented well in PES 2017 playing against Barca. Look at the "Ball Winning" and you'll see they win/attempt to win the ball back high up the pitch. You're never going to out-footy them so teams that usually beat them beat them on the counter (Real 2013/14, Liverpool & Leicester did it in the preseason to an extent)

What I'd like to see is let my defenders or the CPU behave on preset instructions as opposed to the CPU/Human Teammates defending everything the same.

High/Deep line
CDM(s) drop deep
Pressure - Frontline to win the ball high up the pitch
etc...


What's disappointing about the demo is that so many tactical options are turned off.

I think the bigger issue is at 6:36 of Matt's last video where the player takes a shot that's parried by Cech wide to the left and immediately 2 Atletico players reverse course and sprint back to their positions/defense leaving basically Griezman alone up top to chase the rebound. IRL, Simeone or any manager would preach situational awareness along the lines of:

Someone closing down the ball.
Someone closing down outlets (maybe even the backpass to the keeper).

The only way I could see it differently is score based, if they're trying to protect a lead although they wouldn't be pushing #'s forward.

Forcing you to either risk playing it out OR the more likely course of action, hoofing it up field where you'd most likely have a defender running forward (easier to head the ball with a good running start) to head the ball back into the top of the box.



Papinho,

Is the issue in your video the CBs running away from the ST? I tried watching the feed but it was kind of hard following. If so, then yeah that's not good at all.



Good videos though guys and hopefully some defensive principles get sorted out although Konami will NEVER tell us. They'll say "Other gameplay issues that affect the user experience..."

[Ac3way]

Now i played four games with proffesional, way too easy. AI is almost broken there, if you defend properly. If you block passing lanes they just pass it to straight you. Also they lose all challenges on field, are too passive and it looks more like summer practice match than dynamic football.

Top Player was pretty fun after 8 games. It offers more natural looking gameplay than Superstar, but the difficulty just isnt there. CPU attacking is too slow and weak, so they dosent get many if none chances at match.

For me Superstar with manuals is only way to play game, but i like it. I still hope for more challenge PES 2017 full release.

Watched some minutes from Matt10 Professional Dificulty video/stream, that just made my toughts stronger. It's way too easy, but ofcourse its good to have options for every player. People like different things.

[BL8001]

Would it be easier to see the defensive issue with an overhead camera?

Going to play with blimp cam in a few hours so I can watch how they behave from above.

Maybe if they know the camera is showing them in real time they will behave better.