PES 2017 Demo Available on Xbox One, PS4, PS3 - Post Your Impressions

[BL8001]

twitter claims of this being final build gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VksrCE7R8Zs

Matt, have a look, it's user vs user but perhaps the non user AI players will show if the issue is still present

The move the dev does at 14:24 with neymar, what is that move? I want to know how to do that.

[KG]

Quote: Originally Posted by Matt10

Seriously, this game is so close. There needs to be a transition from Attack to Defense, not just an immediate ATTACK! and then DEFEND! Watch the video for an explanation:

Matt....I know you don't like it BUT YOU HAVE to put the radar on in your positional videos. On that camera angle it's hard to see the entire pitch so you can't really tell if players are running back (I know they're not 75% of the time) to mark someone but it makes it easier to determine where players should be positionally.

As for the issue, it's a managers dream to have disciplined players who sprint back to their areas but yeah, it's not realistic. Even a walking animation would look better.

I've noticed that the end-to-end action is caused A LOT by my actions. One new stat that is really great is the "Ball Winning" stat. When playing vs Barca they will press high and try to win the ball back in your own 3rd where you're at the mercy of incredibly gifted players (physically, mentally, and with their technique). Atletico sits deeper allowing you possession but will close down in a hurry once you cross midfield.

I think at it's core it's programmed that way (like you & Royce alluded to) but tinkering with tactics (in the full game where they're turned on) and fluid formations to not make the midfield so open at times will help mitigate this issue (not fully solve it).

[Matt10]

Quote: Originally Posted by KG

Matt....I know you don't like it BUT YOU HAVE to put the radar on in your positional videos. On that camera angle it's hard to see the entire pitch so you can't really tell if players are running back (I know they're not 75% of the time) to mark someone but it makes it easier to determine where players should be positionally. As for the issue, it's a managers dream to have disciplined players who sprint back to their areas but yeah, it's not realistic. Even a walking animation would look better. I've noticed that the end-to-end action is caused A LOT by my actions. One new stat that is really great is the "Ball Winning" stat. When playing vs Barca they will press high and try to win the ball back in your own 3rd where you're at the mercy of incredibly gifted players (physically, mentally, and with their technique). Atletico sits deeper allowing you possession but will close down in a hurry once you cross midfield. I think at it's core it's programmed that way (like you & Royce alluded to) but tinkering with tactics (in the full game where they're turned on) and fluid formations to not make the midfield so open at times will help mitigate this issue (not fully solve it).

Do you mean the radar on in the replay? Because I do play with the radar on most of the time, and in that video? Sorry, just needing clarification on what needs to be best for the next video.

I love the tactics and the depth of them. Never disagreeing with their existence, if anything I want more levels (18yd box level, def 3rd level, midfield level, opp def 3rd, opp 18yd box, 6yd box?) for mentality, however that's not realistic for this PES 2017 demo, or full version.

I just want the act of the CPU running away from loose balls to go away. I want them to be hungry for them, and the remedy, simply, is either A) introducing a transition to green (medium level) or B) Modifying the intensity/adherence of each level, thus being reflective in the animations and overall attitude.

Option A, in theory, sounds ridiculously easy - which makes it that more frustrating. Imagine having just 1 more step to reach Heaven, but it isn't built yet, so you're stuck. That's what's going to happen to PES 17 if this isn't fixed, and yes - that analogy is whack .

[Matt10]

Quote: Originally Posted by BL8001

twitter claims of this being final build gameplay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VksrCE7R8Zs Matt, have a look, it's user vs user but perhaps the non user AI players will show if the issue is still present The move the dev does at 14:24 with neymar, what is that move? I want to know how to do that.

It's not bad because the att/def levels stay on green . You want to have a fun match, use any team and play against Flamengo. They stay in green the majority of the time, until 75+ minute. I would love to see the other teams play on green defense.

[therizing02]

What settings are you guys using? I have passing at Level 1 support, Superstar, and game speed -1. Haven't won a game but I hardly feel cheated or cheesed.

Played against Barcelona as Arsenal a few times and was barely able to get a shot off playing 10min halves at Camp Nou. Felt legit though. i feel like if I had tactics available to counter the game might have played out differently.

Just curious what others are using.

[Battle4MY]

What camera are you guys using? Dynamic wide with some custom settings is ok but I'd love the option to see the entire width of the the pitch.

Blimp is too far zoomed out and Fan Stand doesnt quite track the pace of the game correctly.

Not a huge fan of using the radar :/

[BL8001]

I really enjoy this demo. I can't play any other older soccer/futbol game I own anymore. No point. They just are nowhere near as fun as this game is.

Took matt's advice and played flamengo.

I feel like the result was pretty much what it should be. Rain effects and what they did to gameplay were excellent. Made everything more sloppy.

Only wtf was I brutally slid tackled a dude in the box right after he shot. He goes down and grasps his ankle. No pk for them. But then I make a crunching illegal tackle in the 2nd half and pick up a delayed yellow. Took several game minutes to have it served and it almost seemed connected to the offending player being called offside.


Atletico v flamengo 1st half


2nd half

[papinho81]

Quote: Originally Posted by BL8001

I really enjoy this demo. I can't play any other older soccer/futbol game I own anymore. No point. They just are nowhere near as fun as this game is.

Totally agree! Two days ago I felt impressed (again) by fifa 16 post patch 1.07 with my personal slider settings. After playing the PES17 demo there is no way I can go back to fifa 16 again! The two fifa games I had after playing the demo felt outdated (considering I spent a couple of days updating summer transfers using transfermarket website to start a new career). AI players movements and decisions in fifa felt so automatic/predictable compared to what PES17 demo is offering...
The gameplay of the demo is so fluid.
Nevertheless I do agree that player positioning when it comes to defense could be improved. The instantaneous defensive retreating attitude Matt is documenting very well and also the CB not meeting the ST well enough are really the only annoying things I see with the game.
Other than that the game is fantastic, keeper saves looks realistic and amazing at the same time, physicality and fouls are there.
I am really considering buying PES for the first time since the early 2000 and the PS1.